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Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
Fri Apr 29, 2016, 11:45 PM Apr 2016

We are 233,330 users strong...I BEG you all. Please sign this petition to the WH

Last edited Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:08 AM - Edit history (1)

Bottom Line:

Don is now 70 years old and as elleng posted has recently been sent to solitary confinement - it is insane.


PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION ASKING OBAMA TO PARDON DON . I knew him as a Democrat activist. He is a kind and decent human being, once all fucked over by Rove and his game and now in some bureaucratic Alabama nightmare suffering in a Louisiana prison.

We as a group, en masse, could get him out !!!! I counted 86 posts at DU over the years and stopped counting....


http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/president-obama-pardon-1

Background:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Siegelman#cite_note-2

FEBRUARY 2008
Is Don Siegelman in prison because he's a criminal or because he belonged to the wrong political party in Alabama? Siegelman is the former governor of Alabama, and he was the most successful Democrat in that Republican state. But while he was governor, the U.S. Justice Department launched multiple investigations that went on year after year until, finally, a jury convicted Siegelman of bribery.

Now, many Democrats and Republicans have become suspicious of the Justice Department's motivations. As correspondent Scott Pelley reports, 52 former state attorneys-general have asked Congress to investigate whether the prosecution of Siegelman was pursued not because of a crime but because of politics.

THE ONCE DEMOCRAT GOVERNOR OF ALABAMA IS STILL IN PRISON [FONT COLOR=WHITE]<a href="http://photobucket.com/images/don%20siegelman" target="_blank"><img src="" border="0" alt="don siegelman photo: Don Siegelman don-siegelman.jpg"/></a>

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We are 233,330 users strong...I BEG you all. Please sign this petition to the WH (Original Post) Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 OP
Done bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #1
Thank you bkkyosemite !! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #3
signed bjo59 Apr 2016 #2
Thank you bjoe59 ! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #4
Done! CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #5
THANK YOU...so much CC ! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #6
Any friend of EllenG... CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #7
She's a cool chick. Here's her post... Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #12
Pres Obama's total lack of empathy for the Gov sickens me. He can excuse torturers but rhett o rick Apr 2016 #8
Thank you so much, as a veteran voice at DU it means so Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #10
I can not comprehend why Pres Obama ignores the unjustice that occurred with regard rhett o rick Apr 2016 #14
I do not either. I am afraid, due to the intense and utter obstruction he Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #22
Pres Obama isn't the final word. There is a higher power. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #64
I don't have discussions with those that think ridicule is part of a discussion. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #68
You didn't study the case. He accepted nothing. He did nothing that rhett o rick Apr 2016 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #70
It looks like the former governor will be serving out his sentence. yallerdawg Apr 2016 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #86
Ever hear of the Rule of Four? OnyxCollie Apr 2016 #93
Kagan hasnt recused herself in other cases she was involved with before. 7962 Apr 2016 #117
What cases? OnyxCollie May 2016 #118
Remember the ACA? 7962 May 2016 #119
What bribe did he take that people in politics don't take all the time? JDPriestly Apr 2016 #109
It's called the petromilitary industrial complex. OnyxCollie Apr 2016 #91
Really. SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #77
Thanks for posting ornotna Apr 2016 #9
Thanks ornatna ! can't help but ask....what is an ornotna? or is that your name? Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #11
It is my name ornotna Apr 2016 #13
cool ! and thanks again for your support ! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #16
Done! KT2000 Apr 2016 #15
+1,000,000 Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #17
Of course I signed, it is the only right thing we can do Dragonfli Apr 2016 #18
I know, it's not the first time. And, it makes me mad that I have Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #23
There is little more you can do, don't beat yourself up, you do not have the power to free him. Dragonfli Apr 2016 #25
Signed. Thanks for posting. We will fight this injustice. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #19
Done Control-Z Apr 2016 #20
Done. Little_Wing Apr 2016 #21
And another one...done! tosh Apr 2016 #26
thank you Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #35
signed MFM008 Apr 2016 #27
thank you MFM.....008 ? there are 8 MFMs? :) Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #36
Add one more to the petition. Thanks for posting! ffr Apr 2016 #28
ffr - thanks Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #46
Thanks, this is an outrage! martigras Apr 2016 #29
thanks - Louisiana?? Mardi Gras?? nt Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #45
Done! K&R! Rhiannon12866 Apr 2016 #30
thank you so much !!! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #33
You're more than welcome Rhiannon12866 Apr 2016 #37
I can not either. Let's do it Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #51
Absolutely! Rhiannon12866 Apr 2016 #52
Siegelman said he was looking at the 2004 presidential primaries... Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #31
Done Equinox Moon Apr 2016 #32
It reminds me of what I have read about the gulags. All this talk, all these posts, all of us Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #39
Done. K&R N/T AnotherDreamWeaver Apr 2016 #34
thanks ADW Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #41
He should have given a speech for a German bank Kalidurga Apr 2016 #38
Too erudite for me. Care to expound? Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #40
Clinton's speaking fee from Deutsche Bank? Duppers Apr 2016 #59
Hillary collected speaking fees from Deutsche Bank Kalidurga May 2016 #122
Done. Any good links to info about this I can give to former AL Republican AllyCat Apr 2016 #42
Huff Post Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #47
signed bobopa Apr 2016 #43
thank you Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #48
Washington Spectator.... Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #44
signed, sealed and delivered! yortsed snacilbuper Apr 2016 #49
Republicans Destroy.... thank you ! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #50
Done! catchnrelease Apr 2016 #53
yes Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #56
Disgusting catchnrelease Apr 2016 #75
Done. Duppers Apr 2016 #54
thank u D Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #57
Most welcome. Duppers Apr 2016 #60
signed billhicks76 Apr 2016 #55
thank you Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #58
Absolutely, I will sign this TM99 Apr 2016 #61
Done, K&R. Cassiopeia Apr 2016 #62
It is beyond comprehension what they have done to this man. Thanks for bbgrunt Apr 2016 #63
Signed williesgirl Apr 2016 #65
Done, and thank you for putting this petition here. NBachers Apr 2016 #66
Done! This situation is so FUABS OneGrassRoot Apr 2016 #71
Signed justhanginon Apr 2016 #72
Done, I can't believe they still have this innocent man locked up. B Calm Apr 2016 #73
and child molester Hastert gets 15 months. . B Calm Apr 2016 #74
Dunzo! ghostsinthemachine Apr 2016 #76
The president signaled on Jan 21 2009 that he's either afraid of Karl Rove or works for him Doctor_J Apr 2016 #78
I agree Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #83
Done. dchill Apr 2016 #79
K&R ReRe Apr 2016 #81
Happy to help we can do it Apr 2016 #82
Done. nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #84
Thanks ! When I read the petition last night there were 64 signatures Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #85
Bet a lot are due to your post. Good job! nt Live and Learn Apr 2016 #87
More like the same two hundred people talking to each other ad nauseum. L. Coyote Apr 2016 #88
I have always thought when we stopped actually organizing to DO something, Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #95
Done. The Seigelman saga has always confused and troubled me. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #89
I can't count how many petitions PatSeg Apr 2016 #90
I know, me too ....Hope Don writes a best seller on his Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #94
I was thinking along the same line PatSeg Apr 2016 #96
done nt eleny Apr 2016 #92
Done. jwirr Apr 2016 #97
Done! Pharaoh Apr 2016 #98
Kicked and recommended (NT) PBass Apr 2016 #99
Kicked and recommended! I have signed it. Enthusiast Apr 2016 #100
Done! choie Apr 2016 #101
Signed and tweeted. NT Eric J in MN Apr 2016 #102
I done it, WTF is the matter with Obama? tularetom Apr 2016 #103
Does make you wonder if he had to sell his soul to be President. mucifer Apr 2016 #104
Signed! n/t TIME TO PANIC Apr 2016 #105
Done. I do not understand why he is in prison...under thereismore Apr 2016 #106
Justice? DiverDave Apr 2016 #107
Done, with great pleasure! Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2016 #108
DONE It seems like kacekwl Apr 2016 #110
Done. AmBlue Apr 2016 #111
brilliant AB ! Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2016 #116
Done knr nt. chknltl Apr 2016 #112
done. K&R Hiraeth Apr 2016 #113
Done! Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #114
Done. chervilant Apr 2016 #115
Done! riderinthestorm May 2016 #120
Done trof May 2016 #121
thanks ! Started at 64 now up to 570 !! nt Laura PourMeADrink May 2016 #123
Just ran across this in my travels, so I'm giving it another kick! Rhiannon12866 May 2016 #124
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
8. Pres Obama's total lack of empathy for the Gov sickens me. He can excuse torturers but
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:24 AM
Apr 2016

will keep Siegelman in prison because he was framed by the Bush Family. Who is he doing a favor for?

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
10. Thank you so much, as a veteran voice at DU it means so
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:36 AM
Apr 2016

much to have your support.

This has gone on too long.. an occasional post, the occastional outrage...and we have so many like minded people here...I honestly think we could make a difference if we only tried.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. I can not comprehend why Pres Obama ignores the unjustice that occurred with regard
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:41 AM
Apr 2016

to Gov Steigelman. I can't believe that Oama himself is that heartless. I believe he is being directed by someone with a higher paygrade that fears the gov.

I will do whatever I can.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
22. I do not either. I am afraid, due to the intense and utter obstruction he
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:56 AM
Apr 2016

has faced, he has created this ivory tower where everything is fine and nothing bad is happening. Can't blame the guy. But Romney did not win - and Rove is discredited and the Republican Party is in shambles. WTF O ???

Response to rhett o rick (Reply #24)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
67. I don't have discussions with those that think ridicule is part of a discussion.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:44 AM
Apr 2016

Some are much more comfortable living in their bubble of denial.

Response to rhett o rick (Reply #67)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
69. You didn't study the case. He accepted nothing. He did nothing that
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:57 AM
Apr 2016

wasn't traditional and done by his predecessor. Every aspect of his case was handled illegally. 50 Atty Gen say he was railroaded but you and Karl Rove think he should spend more time in prison that Dennis Hassert.

It's the conservatives that want Siegelman locked up. You are in good company. I bet you're loving the Prisons For Profits.

Obama will let torture go but turn his back on Gov Siegelman.

I notice that conservatives have to use name calling and ridicule when they have a weak argument.

Go find someone else to ridicule. Bob-Bye

Response to rhett o rick (Reply #69)

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
80. It looks like the former governor will be serving out his sentence.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:21 AM
Apr 2016

Siegelman was duly convicted by a jury, and conviction upheld multiple times right up to US Supreme Court.

Richard Scrushy served his sentence and is now back with his family, moving on.

The astounding hypocrisy this case confronts me with is how everyone jumps on Seigelman's "innocence" because of the "rightwing conspiracy" that targeted him and brought him down.

But - for some unimaginable reason - this same standard does not apply to Hillary Clinton.

On any utterance from Breitbart/Fox/Republican-machine-meme-creation on any freaking subject, these same people who rally for Siegelman would lock up Hillary without a single freaking charge or trial!





Response to yallerdawg (Reply #80)

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
93. Ever hear of the Rule of Four?
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:51 PM
Apr 2016

Probably not.

The Rule of Four says that four SCOTUS Justices must be willing to hear a case before it can be reviewed.

Of the four allegedly liberal Justices, Kagan must recuse herself. (As Solicitor General under Obama, she argued for a longer prison sentence for Siegelman.) Hence, no Supreme Court review.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
117. Kagan hasnt recused herself in other cases she was involved with before.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:44 PM
Apr 2016

Why would she do it now? Besides, if she wanted a LONGER sentence, she would vote to leave the case alone anyway.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
119. Remember the ACA?
Sun May 1, 2016, 07:24 AM
May 2016

She was involved in the early defense of it as SG for Pres Obama. It could fit the criteria for recusal, but she didnt. But "could" is the key word. There are different levels of participation
The law usually states a justice "may" recuse themselves, and its generally left up to them.
And again, if she wanted a tougher sentence for Siegelman it really doesnt matter if she did or didnt.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
109. What bribe did he take that people in politics don't take all the time?
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:06 PM
Apr 2016

Please provide a link to support what you say.

So many attorney generals believe he is innocent because he is.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
77. Really.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:10 AM
Apr 2016

There is no excuse for Don not having been pardoned (or whatever would get him out of prison) long ago.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
18. Of course I signed, it is the only right thing we can do
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:43 AM
Apr 2016

I still don't get why Obama refuses to pardon him, this is not the first time he has been petitioned to do so.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
23. I know, it's not the first time. And, it makes me mad that I have
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:59 AM
Apr 2016

moved on each time and not really tried to do anything more.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
25. There is little more you can do, don't beat yourself up, you do not have the power to free him.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:04 AM
Apr 2016

You can only petition those with the power to free him! You have been doing that, it is all anyone INCLUDING YOURSELF can expect of you.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
31. Siegelman said he was looking at the 2004 presidential primaries...
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:11 AM
Apr 2016

Siegelman said he was looking at the 2004 presidential primaries, not necessarily to run against Bush for president but "I wanted to as a Southern liberal challenge Bush on his on education policies, his economic policies and his war policies."

The former governor said he didn't know if that was on Rove's mind but said the former Bush adviser was "at the scene of the crime when the department of justice decided to pursue me."

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
32. Done
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:11 AM
Apr 2016

Thanks for caring and carrying a torch of activism and hope for this man.

I heard him talk by phone with Thom Hartmann maybe a couple months ago. The live radio/phone interview landed Don in solitary confinement. So we heard later.

In the interview he expressed optimism. Said he felt helpful by helping other inmates with their legal processes.

I don't get it, why solitary for talking on the phone. He is allowed phone calls. The prison system is messed up!

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
39. It reminds me of what I have read about the gulags. All this talk, all these posts, all of us
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:25 AM
Apr 2016

outraged and caring....and there is only one person who can stop this - and what is so incredibly sad is that a good and decent man has had the best part of his life ruined. What you said...about his helping other people says it all...

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
122. Hillary collected speaking fees from Deutsche Bank
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

to the tune of $485,000. The Panama Papers suggest this same bank hid billions due to the Panama Free Trade Treaty.

AllyCat

(16,226 posts)
42. Done. Any good links to info about this I can give to former AL Republican
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:32 AM
Apr 2016

Who thinks he was a crook of the highest order?

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
47. Huff Post
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:56 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bennett-l-gershman/cruel-justice-the-case-of_b_5434216.html

Of all the egregious instances of misconduct by the Bush administration’s Department of Justice — its ruthless pursuit of voting rights cases and government corruption cases against Democrats and firing U.S. attorneys who resisted — no case epitomizes the abusive, vindictive, and politically-driven agenda as much as the prosecution of Don Siegelman.

In 2002, Siegelman, a Democrat, was governor of the blood-red state of Alabama and was predicted to win re-election. But according to sworn and strongly-corroborated testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, Alabama’s top Republican operative Bill Canary contacted Karl Rove and instigated the Justice Department’s prosecution of Siegelman. Rove contacted the Public Integrity Section, and Canary declared confidentially that “his girls would take care of Siegelman.” When asked who “his girls” were, Canary replied Alice Martin, the United States Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama, and Leura Canary, the United States Attorney for the Middle District of Alabama. Leura Canary, by the way, is Bill Canary’s wife.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
44. Washington Spectator....
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:46 AM
Apr 2016

Yet, Siegelman’s case is a clear-cut one for a pardon, for several reasons.

The first is that the Justice Department’s theory of a crime is attenuated at best and never should have been upheld in the federal courts. The Supreme Court has already questioned it in open argument and may now be preparing to hand down a ruling that would void the theory on which Siegelman was tried.

The second is that the specter of political malfeasance pervades the entire case, particularly infecting the conduct of the Justice Department and of the federal bench, which rattles public confidence in the fair administration of justice. Indeed, polls in Alabama consistently show that majorities believe that Siegelman was the target of a political vendetta.

The third is that the sentence given to Siegelman by his disgraced former judge, seven-and-one-third years (later reduced to six-and-a-half years), would be unconscionable even if the first two points weren’t valid. Siegelman’s “crime” is an absurdity—even politicians who actually take bribes for favors, as former Alabama Governor Guy Hunt did, get fines, not prison sentences.

Consider Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell, and the copious evidence of venality in his conviction on 11 counts of corruption, none of which exists in the Siegelman case. McDonald was sentenced to two years in prison. By contrast, Siegelman has already served almost four years, much of it under very difficult circumstances.

The rank injustice of this case screams out for direct action by the White House, and for bypassing the Justice Department, whose conflict of interest make it an unreliable adviser to the president in such circumstances.

http://washingtonspectator.org/the-case-for-a-presidential-pardon-for-don-siegelman/

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
56. yes
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:35 AM
Apr 2016

BIRMINGHAM, AL (WBRC) -
Former Alabama Governor Don Siegelman, 70, has been sent to solitary confinement, according to the Washington Post.

Siegelman was quoted several times in a Post article published this week.

His son believes this punishment is linked to Siegelman's interview. The Bureau of Prison officials would not confirm if Siegelman was in solitary confinement.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
75. Disgusting
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

I read the article about it this morning. Another political prisoner. What a great country this is, an example for the rest of the world.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
78. The president signaled on Jan 21 2009 that he's either afraid of Karl Rove or works for him
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:10 AM
Apr 2016

A truly disgusting display of cowardice not pardoning siegelman.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
83. I agree
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016
Joseph Siegelman, Siegelman's son and attorney, said a commutation request filed in 2012 was rejected because of Siegelman's pending appeals. But Obama could grant clemency for the fellow Democrat at any time.

"We remain hopeful that the president will recognize this injustice," said the younger Siegelman.


http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/12/don_siegelman_not_on_obamas_li.html

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
81. K&R
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

I will K&R here, but I will not sign petition if I am required to include my e-mail address in exchange. I already have way too much e-mail coming which I'm having trouble getting stopped. Won't add more, sorry.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
88. More like the same two hundred people talking to each other ad nauseum.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:51 AM
Apr 2016

Some of those people with over 100,000 posts. And what does that accomplish?

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
95. I have always thought when we stopped actually organizing to DO something,
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

bombarding the press, attending activists meet-ups, etc. it was an astounding waste of what could be a powerful bloc to change things.

Now, all we do is agree with each other.

PufPuf23

(8,839 posts)
89. Done. The Seigelman saga has always confused and troubled me.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:52 AM
Apr 2016

I don't get the failure of POTUS Obama and Democratic leadership to offer support to what appears to be politically-fueled injustice.

The alleged crime seems flimsy and manipulated by GOP prosecutors.

Why has this apparent travesty been allowed to endure?

What a sad waste.

PatSeg

(47,602 posts)
90. I can't count how many petitions
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:07 PM
Apr 2016

I have signed for Governor Siegelman anymore. Thank you for increasing our awareness of this gross injustice.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
94. I know, me too ....Hope Don writes a best seller on his
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:57 PM
Apr 2016

ordeal and once and for all exposes Karl Rove for what he is.

PatSeg

(47,602 posts)
96. I was thinking along the same line
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:06 PM
Apr 2016

which also made me concerned for his safety. There are people out there who do not want the governor appearing on talk shows and writing books. This is all like a political thriller movie and so disturbing that it is real life.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
103. I done it, WTF is the matter with Obama?
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:15 PM
Apr 2016

He leaves a good man to rot in jail while war criminals and crooked banksters are allowed to run free.

I'm beginning to wonder why I ever voted for the guy.

mucifer

(23,569 posts)
104. Does make you wonder if he had to sell his soul to be President.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:24 PM
Apr 2016

I felt that was what happened to President Carter, too.

AmBlue

(3,117 posts)
111. Done.
Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:14 PM
Apr 2016

I believe with all my heart that what has been done to Don Sielgelman is wrong, and needs to be righted. We cannot take away the many years of freedom he has lost, but you, Mr. President, can restore him to his family to salvage what is left of his life. The man is 70 years old for goodness sake! America has no business keeping political prisoners. Please pardon Don Siegelman.

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