Proposing “No Honeymoon for Hillary” plan

[Larkspur]

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Assuming that HRC wins the Democratic nomination for President, I'll hold my nose and vote for her in the GE, but I will never trust her. She is nothing but a lesser of 2 evils choice for me.

I think the next phase Progressives need to take is that the nanosecond after HRC wins the GE, is to implement a “No Honeymoon for Hillary” plan. That plan is to scrutinize every appointment she makes to staff agencies and cabinet positions as well has be a hawk on her policy positions right after she wins the GE. Since she is campaigning on being able to hit the floor running as President, HRC has no need for a honeymoon period.

And of course, the rest of the Democrats in Congress, especially HRC’s super delegates, need to be scrutinized and pressured as well by Progressives.

After all, that is how American Democracy works. The end of the election is not the end of democracy.
And we'll know we are doing our job when the Ed Rendell's, Rahm Emmanuels, et all screech their complaints to the media about us.

Our response to the Turd Way (old DLC) whiners needs to be the famous saying of Frederick Douglas, "Power gives up nothing without a fight, never has, never will." If they don't like American Democracy, then they can move to China.

[Kingofalldems]

1. GDP nonsense.

Many DUers do not go there because of this kind of vitriol.

Looks like you posted in the wrong forum.

[senz]

13. I see no vitriol in the OP beyond one derogatroy reference to "The Third Way."

[Kingofalldems]

15. According to Skinner, any mention of either candidate

belongs in GDP.

Fact.

[senz]

18. The OP presents a plan for dealing with 2017-2020.

It doesn't say anything good or bad about a candidate.

[Kingofalldems]

20. Any mention is a phrase that means what it says.

[Kingofalldems]

23. Plenty of vitriol in the thread.

Which of course is not surprising.

[NewImproved Deal]

2. She'll bring back the Neo-Cons and the Robert Rubin crowd...

Her apologists will cheer every move towards War and untrammeled Plutocracy...but I applaud your sentiments.

[Kingofalldems]

24. How's that?

They are talking about running a 3rd party candidate.

Facts are important.

[Rass]

3. Hillary will encourage outsourcing jobs

As a working class American I will never vote for someone that threatens to diminish our power. The "gig" or "sharing" economy is for suckers and that is what she represents by making us fight over left-over scraps.

[Bradical79]

4. There's a honeymoon period?

I've never believed in one because it's POTUS not sports coach. The decisions in the first month are no more or less critical than any other month.

[Larkspur]

11. I was referring to the term the MSM uses

and I'm sure HRC's surrogates will demand one for HRC, should she become Prez.

[senz]

16. HRC's surrogates will attempt to silence and subdue any and all criticism.

Reagan's supporters did the same thing. People were afraid to speak out.

[procon]

5. Wait... you actually want to make it harder

for Democrats to get legislation passed, and then promote the same sort of loyalty test that the GOP and the NRA employs to reinforce their ideological purity. Look, buttercup, if you wanna shoot yourself in the foot, go for it, but don't tell anyone, it's embarrassing.

Are you sure you sure you're in the right forum? I hate to tell you, but this isn't progressive thinking, it's BS stuff that Republicans have been doing for years to block Democrats.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Funny

[Scootaloo]

7. There have to be some ideological standards and consistency

And I have no problem whatsoever with demanding it of my party. If you're "content with whatever" then burn your fucking registration card and just vote for whoever you think has the nicest hair.

[procon]

8. "Your" Party belongs to the voters, and right now

their "ideological standards" differ than yours, by a fairly wide margin. This, then, makes it their party. So when you burn your registration card, remember, don't pollute... say, that might be one of those "ideological standards". Maybe you could just eat it instead... roughage is healthy.

[senz]

25. So no one who disagrees will be allowed to speak out?

Procon, this is America. In America, the citizens own the government.

New concept for you? Never took a civics class?

You may not have intended it, but your comment sounds like a call for dictatorship and the suppression of dissent.

[Rass]

9. As a progressive..

I will write in Bernie or vote for Jill Stein(Green Party). Hillary is NOT a progressive and doesn't deserve our vote.

[MissDeeds]

21. [phone]

[Larkspur]

10. I want to make it harder for Democrats in Congress to cut or privatise Social Security

Medicare and other progressive programs.

Just because a congressperson or President calls themselves a Democrat does not mean that they believe in core Democratic principles.

As Thomas Frank says, Bill Clinton connived with Republicans and Big Money interests to pass NAFTA, which George H.W. Bush could not get passed, and which led to the economic ruin of many union members and working Americans. Democrats have helped create the income inequality we have today. Can not deny it.

[snot]

12. Maybe we compile lists of possible S. Court, Cabinet positions, etc.,

WITH descriptions of their backgrounds and accomplishments?

As I've said, Bill Black to regulate banks; Richard Clark for Homeland Security, etc.

AND include the candidates Hillary's more likely to favor, with their backgrounds, "accomplishments"?

[baldguy]

14. The GOP will certainly be on board with that.

Since it worked so well for them under Obama...

[pnwmom]

17. I thought I'd stepped into Free Republic. Yeah, let's treat the first woman President like a 2nd

class citizen.

Not even give her a few months to establish herself before you start all in with the witch-hunting.

So much hate here.

[Larkspur]

19. She is campaigning on being able to hit the floor running as Prez

so she herself admits she does not need a honeymoon period for her Admin.

Progressives would be unwise to lay off HRC after she wins the GE.

And the mistrust Democrats, like me, have for HRC, was earned by HRC.

[pnwmom]

22. Wrong. She needs the support of Dems like all of us to get any progressive legislation

passed through Congress.

Trump, for example, has just called for a ZERO dollar minimum wage.

The difference between the parties couldn't be more stark.

[tammywammy]

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Skinner
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You are welcome to post about the general election in GD without reference to the primary candidates.

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