Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
69 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Posted without comment (Original Post) cali May 2016 OP
Where was God? ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #1
God was making sure that no transgender folks showed up japple May 2016 #11
This is the doing of men. God is a convenient way to shift blame. This is OUR crime. God was and roguevalley May 2016 #34
So god let this baby die? EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2016 #66
Good answer. Enthusiast May 2016 #49
U mean where was Allah? ErikJ May 2016 #16
Allah is God. Since I speak English, I used "G... ugh, why am I even bothering? ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #17
Sorry, still not the same. ErikJ May 2016 #18
I'm agnostic too. But not religiously. nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #22
sexually? ErikJ May 2016 #23
Ummm... wut? nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #24
If not religiously agnostic then ...... ErikJ May 2016 #26
Not exactly sure what you're getting at. If you must know, at 52 I'm having the heterosexual... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #28
What a damn f fool! ErikJ May 2016 #29
Yea, I got it pretty good right now :) nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #31
Lots of procreation? ErikJ May 2016 #35
Well, that's an impossible result of our...ahem...activities. But sometimes I wonder how it... ChisolmTrailDem May 2016 #37
According to Muslims Allah is God. The same God in the Christian and Hebrew tradition. Enthusiast May 2016 #50
And Jesus Christ is the same Jesus Christ in both Islam and Christianity, bvar22 May 2016 #55
Islam and Christianity are BOTH deritives of the Book of Abraham (The Old Testament). bvar22 May 2016 #53
Ask any RW Christian if they are the same god. ErikJ May 2016 #54
They do not know their ass from a hole in the ground. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #60
According to some anyway, you don't have to listen to the ones who say they aren't the same ck4829 May 2016 #21
I'd rather not listen to either one. ErikJ May 2016 #36
busy not existing? Warren DeMontague May 2016 #39
He was apparently busy in Cincinnati. Orrex May 2016 #48
On the other side of the universe, trying to forget about his failed experiments. Rex Jun 2016 #62
so f'ing sad. There are no words. Merryland May 2016 #2
. Autumn May 2016 #3
what a tragedy tandot May 2016 #4
Madeleine Albright would say that this is "the price" the US pays and it is worth it. bjo59 May 2016 #5
The Syrian and lybian civil wars . ... reACTIONary May 2016 #25
Oh please... MattSh May 2016 #44
Yes, I do. Our intervention in Lybia saved... reACTIONary Jun 2016 #61
"Madeline Albright would say", "Vastly Expanded", "We can be sure that", maxsolomon May 2016 #57
Man to man is so unjust malaise May 2016 #6
Worst school cheer ever. snort May 2016 #45
It's time for a revolution. rhett o rick May 2016 #7
Some would say past time. WHEN CRABS ROAR May 2016 #30
Is that sarcasm? philosslayer Jun 2016 #65
Thanks for asking. The rich and powerful have run this country for too long. They have rhett o rick Jun 2016 #68
I just find it ironic... philosslayer Jun 2016 #69
We are literally watching babies die....where are the pro-lifers? Moostache May 2016 #8
Well, as far as "It's ALWAYS OK If You Are a Republican" JonLeibowitz May 2016 #10
. blue neen May 2016 #13
Unless they're White Christians, they're not considered to be humans, mrr303am May 2016 #33
Standing ovation Silver_Witch May 2016 #42
But see, they're not pro-life. They're pro-birth. GaYellowDawg May 2016 #56
No words. Duval May 2016 #9
No one is acknowledging the elephant in the room... gregcrawford May 2016 #12
''We think the price is worth it.'' -- Sec. State Madeleine Albright Octafish May 2016 #14
Not like people go to hell for that sort of thing. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #41
It was worth it because now the entire Middle East is democratic. Yay! Enthusiast May 2016 #51
20 years ago, referring to the Iraq sanctions maxsolomon May 2016 #58
No. It just shows their callous attitude toward human life. Octafish May 2016 #59
Talk has always been cheap. Rex Jun 2016 #63
Here's where I find solace and comfort Fritz Walter May 2016 #15
My parents hosted a Muslim from one of the splinter republics greiner3 May 2016 #47
Help me out here--who was it that pursued "regime change" QC May 2016 #19
I'll just post this - GoneOffShore May 2016 #32
The hapless migrants are the direct fallout of bad decisions. senz May 2016 #52
I would go further and describe those bad decisions as venal. Lars39 Jun 2016 #64
Another victim of our eagerness to "spread democrcy". Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #20
Hillary's war in Libya producing the inevitable disastrous effects Arazi May 2016 #27
We came, we saw, he died. jeff47 May 2016 #38
Sigh. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #40
Interesting that a roasting pig requires a graphic warning, but a dead baby is A-Ok on DU. FSogol May 2016 #43
Hey, Trump. is the Muslim terrorist we need to be afraid, you worthless wanking bunko artist? Feeling the Bern May 2016 #46
why was the face obscured? Demonaut Jun 2016 #67

japple

(9,755 posts)
11. God was making sure that no transgender folks showed up
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:10 PM
May 2016

in the wrong bathrooms.

Edit to correct reply title.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
34. This is the doing of men. God is a convenient way to shift blame. This is OUR crime. God was and
Mon May 30, 2016, 04:12 PM
May 2016

is with the baby. Men didn't even care to look. It may be convenient to blame God but this is our atrocity. All of them are. We CHOOSE this to happen and it does. Period.

EvolveOrConvolve

(6,452 posts)
66. So god let this baby die?
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jun 2016
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
-- Epicurus
 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
28. Not exactly sure what you're getting at. If you must know, at 52 I'm having the heterosexual...
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:30 PM
May 2016

...time of my life with a 47yo woman who has just recently discovered her sexuality after 20 years with a Christian who thought of sex as dirty and only to be engaged in for the purposes of procreation. I even busted her with reading a copy of the Kama Sutra, though she doesn't know it. Lucky me!!!

Anyway, enough of the bragging but I don't consider that sexual agnosticism, no.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
37. Well, that's an impossible result of our...ahem...activities. But sometimes I wonder how it...
Mon May 30, 2016, 04:44 PM
May 2016

...hasn't happened, regardless.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
55. And Jesus Christ is the same Jesus Christ in both Islam and Christianity,
Tue May 31, 2016, 03:52 PM
May 2016

but the Muslims, like the Jews, believe he was just a prophet, not the son of God.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
53. Islam and Christianity are BOTH deritives of the Book of Abraham (The Old Testament).
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:22 PM
May 2016

They ARE the same entity.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
54. Ask any RW Christian if they are the same god.
Tue May 31, 2016, 01:46 PM
May 2016

Most will say definitely not. Its ridiculous I know.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
60. They do not know their ass from a hole in the ground.
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 05:42 AM
Jun 2016

A few years ago I heard a right wing evangelist preacher on the radio. He claimed there were two basic religious traditions in the world today. One tradition was Hebrew-Christian and the other was Hindu. He claimed that Islam was part of the Hindu religious tradition. I'm not lying. Ignorance.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
62. On the other side of the universe, trying to forget about his failed experiments.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jun 2016

Imagine how hard it must be for The Perfect One to make so many horrible mistakes and failures in just a few thousand years?

bjo59

(1,166 posts)
5. Madeleine Albright would say that this is "the price" the US pays and it is worth it.
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:17 PM
May 2016

US wars of choice have caused a refugee crisis of unimaginable proportions. Obama has vastly expanded what Bush Jr. began. We can be sure that Clinton would vastly expand what Obama continued. The immorality is astounding but what is more immoral, in my view, is the percentage of Americans who don't understand the link between US foreign policy and the creation of millions upon millions of refugees and don't care one way or the other about the the death and destruction their own government is visiting upon foreign lands.

reACTIONary

(5,740 posts)
25. The Syrian and lybian civil wars . ...
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:20 PM
May 2016

..... are not US wars of choice, our involvement has been restrained and largely motivated towards containment and humanitarian intervention.

reACTIONary

(5,740 posts)
61. Yes, I do. Our intervention in Lybia saved...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:12 PM
Jun 2016

... many, many thousands of lives. Our intervention in Syria has been an important factor in containing the conflict, but a more muscular response, which I assume hillary would have advocated, would probably been much more effective .

maxsolomon

(32,801 posts)
57. "Madeline Albright would say", "Vastly Expanded", "We can be sure that",
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:41 PM
May 2016

"Americans... don't care one way or the other".

You're really good at unsupported allegations.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
68. Thanks for asking. The rich and powerful have run this country for too long. They have
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jun 2016

imprisoned millions of POC for their profits. They have started wars (like Clinton and Iraq) that have made them billions at our expense. You can side with the rich and powerful or the People.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
69. I just find it ironic...
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jun 2016

The countries where these things are happening are having or recently had revolutions.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
8. We are literally watching babies die....where are the pro-lifers?
Mon May 30, 2016, 01:48 PM
May 2016

This is man-made abortion of birthed fetuses....its not "partial birth" abortion, its "post-birth" abortion...and yet, the ardent anti-women, anti-abortion protesters are NO WHERE TO BE SEEN OR HEARD?!?!?!?!?!

The time to be outraged about babies dying is RIGHT NOW.
The place to focus that anger and outrage is on the world's response to the refugees that flee religious extremism and hopeless drought.

Where are the preachers?
Where are the 'activists'?
Where are the teary-eyed white men?
Where are the "X-tians", so offended by abortion?

Where is the "pro-life" movement when life is ended so horribly and so frequently?
Where are they?

I don't expect an answer for the same reason I don't wonder why missing black girls are an after thought but an abducted pretty white girl is a national tragedy.

I don't expect an answer for the same reason I don't wonder why tax cuts for the wealthy don't seem to actually trickle anywhere but in a circle.

I don't expect an answer for the same reason I don't wonder why Republicans are falling in line behind Trump because he will have the (R) behind his name and It's ALWAYS OK If You Are A Republican.

I don't expect an answer for the same reason I don't wonder why people in Kansas are not burning down the statehouse and hunting Brownback in the fields.

The entire world rests on Bullshit Mountain...if we actually DID challenge them for real answers we will end up buried in the ensuing Bull Shit Avalanche.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
10. Well, as far as "It's ALWAYS OK If You Are a Republican"
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:03 PM
May 2016

I don't expect an answer for the same reason I don't wonder why Republicans are falling in line behind Trump because he will have the (R) behind his name and It's ALWAYS OK If You Are A Republican.


This foreign engagement is the result of Hillary Clinton pushing Obama to get involved. Apparently Democratic voters are OK with it as well.
 

mrr303am

(159 posts)
33. Unless they're White Christians, they're not considered to be humans,
Mon May 30, 2016, 04:09 PM
May 2016

thus they don't have the right to live.

GaYellowDawg

(4,441 posts)
56. But see, they're not pro-life. They're pro-birth.
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:39 PM
May 2016

Once the baby's born, they're like "fuck you, junior, use those bootstraps," especially if the baby's not white.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
12. No one is acknowledging the elephant in the room...
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:20 PM
May 2016

... namely, that if the community of "responsible nations" acted swiftly and decisively when that psychotic pig, Assad, first started murdering his own people, this refugee crisis would not exist. It's Chamberlain's "Appeasement" in a new suit, and the end result may well be much the same.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
41. Not like people go to hell for that sort of thing.
Mon May 30, 2016, 08:04 PM
May 2016

Millennial women who dare to vote for the wrong candidate in the Democratic Primary, on the other hand....

maxsolomon

(32,801 posts)
58. 20 years ago, referring to the Iraq sanctions
Tue May 31, 2016, 04:44 PM
May 2016

so you're laying this specific crisis at her feet because of that quote?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
59. No. It just shows their callous attitude toward human life.
Tue May 31, 2016, 06:24 PM
May 2016

Especially in regards to the weakest, the children and other victims of war.

Fritz Walter

(4,269 posts)
15. Here's where I find solace and comfort
Mon May 30, 2016, 02:48 PM
May 2016

Over the past decade or so, I've hosted a few exchange students, including a Muslim (from Indonesia) and several Europeans. I keep in touch with them and their parents, and there's a special bond between parents and host-parents. Not to mention the bond between a host-parent and an exchange student when there's been a good placement.

Through FB and email, thanks to various on-line translation services, two of my exchange students' natural parents let me know what they're doing to support refugees.

One parent -- in Austria -- works directly with refugee children, helping them assimilate into their new communities. He's a saint, IMHO. I spent several weeks visiting his family a couple years ago, and my rusty German language skills were only slightly better than their English fluency. His wife and he showed infinite patience and hospitality to me. (My exchange son, in remarkable wisdom, refused to translate for us, forcing me to learn the language -- and the culture -- on my own. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.)

The other parent is a municipal, elected official in Denmark, and a member of the Conservative Party there. That party's platform on refugees puts the USA Democratic Party to shame when it comes to aiding and supporting refugees, and this Mom is leading the movement to support these families at the local level. During my visit there, she paid me the highest compliment possible to an Army-brat: "You would fit in well here."

But this is not about me.

Yes, it's tragic that so many lives are lost as families flee horrible conditions in their homelands. But, I remind myself that our country was founded and built by people fleeing horrid conditions themselves. (My maternal great grandparents were Irish hunger -- not famine -- immigrants).

My message to others here: host an exchange student. It could eventually prevent -- or at least alleviate -- situations like this.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
47. My parents hosted a Muslim from one of the splinter republics
Tue May 31, 2016, 12:05 PM
May 2016

Of the former Yugoslavia. He went back and my parents never heard back from him. Just another dead teen.

QC

(26,371 posts)
19. Help me out here--who was it that pursued "regime change"
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:11 PM
May 2016

in Libya?

I'm drawing a blank on this one.

Lars39

(26,082 posts)
64. I would go further and describe those bad decisions as venal.
Sun Jun 5, 2016, 05:22 PM
Jun 2016
Venal
1 : capable of being bought or obtained for money or other valuable consideration : purchasable; especially : open to corrupt influence and especially bribery : mercenary <a venal legislator>
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
20. Another victim of our eagerness to "spread democrcy".
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:11 PM
May 2016
“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy of liberty or democracy?” Mohandas K. Gandhi

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
27. Hillary's war in Libya producing the inevitable disastrous effects
Mon May 30, 2016, 03:25 PM
May 2016

Everyone voting for her is supporting her bloodthirsty tragedies which will continue, but on an even bigger scale especially if she gets her Syrian no fly zone proposal implemented

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Posted without comment