Sources tell CBS News the 2 persons shot at UCLA were a student and Professor William Scott Klug

[ailsagirl]

https://twitter.com/CharlieKayeCBS/status/738139716881506305

Apparently the student was angry about his grade.

Professor Klug had recently begun his career at UCLA. Klug taught aerospace and mechanical engineering.

[MichiganVote]

1. But of course. End a life over a grade in school.

[redstatebluegirl]

2. My worst nightmare is a pre med student shooting my husband over a Chemistry grade.

With all of the guns here in our state, I fear this every single semester. My sincere sympathy to Dr. Klug's family.

[ailsagirl]

4. All that work he did to get where he was...

It's terribly tragic for the Klug and the shooter's families-- it's frightening to think there are so many
unhinged people around with hair-trigger (no pun intended-- really) tempers and a gun handy.

[greymattermom]

36. in one red state I know

faculty get constant emails about what to do, now that guns are allowed on campus. I should know.

[ailsagirl]

63. The fact is, no one is really safe, anywhere

It's come to this-- you're not safe at

university
movies
restaurants
concerts
school (primary & secondary)
office buildings
in your car
supermarkets
fast food places

Have I missed any?

[Blue_Tires]

40. At the university I work at

just this past year before winter break, we had a business professor assaulted in his building after hours, probably for the same reason...

[redstatebluegirl]

41. My husband had to call security after an exam once.

He is a pretty big guy, but he told me he was scared for the first time. The kid told him he was going to "come back and get even".... Some of this group of young people have been so protected they can't deal with adversity. They have no plan B and they feel entitled to A's even if they are not earned.

[Person 2713]

3. Unfortunately when I heard it was in a small office earlier, this scenario is what I thought of

People are saying the professor was a smart and kind man

[GummyBearz]

13. Yep me too

It reminded me of a story an older coworker told me about a student getting failed on his first thesis defense. His second try he hid a gun behind a fire extinguisher and when they failed him again he got it out and killed them. Pretty fucked up stuff.

[petronius]

25. He was probably thinking of the San Diego State University murders in 1996:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_State_University_shooting

[stone space]

5. I've been assured here on DU that this never happens.

I've been told that this never happens, and that I could be fired and arrested if I dial 911.

[shenmue]

15. I don't believe you

Way to drag your bullshit all over a tragedy.

[stone space]

19. Not by campus security. They want us to report guns on campus.

It's internet lawyer NRA types here on DU who don't want us to report guns on campus.

[pnwmom]

30. It's not bullshit for professors in gun-legal campuses to be very worried.

Stressed out post-adolescents with guns is not a good situation.

[tblue37]

32. Here in Kansas we will have guns on campus starting next year.

I have had students rage at me over a grade, and in the 1970s one said he knew where I lived and that I had kids. I don't doubt that an angry student with a gun is capable of shooting a professor over a grade.--or shooting an interlocutor over an ideological argument in class.

[pnwmom]

34. I know professors here who worry about it -- and we are a gun control state.

I can't imagine being a professor living in a place like Texas.

[ananda]

42. Good professors in Texas are leaving the state.

It's a brain drain, and higher education will be damaged here.

[redstatebluegirl]

43. They lost the Dean of their Architecture College over it.

I see UT Austin suffering over this new law, not that people worry when academics suffer.

[alcibiades_mystery]

37. Not merely stressed out: 18-21 is prime age for the onset of schizophrenia

To introduce guns into a situation where young people may first be experiencing the effects of mental illness, and there are clear power imbalances with perceived life-altering consequences (that D in organic chemistry just gate-kept you out of med school...) is simply crazy. Campus carry laws are insane. Gunner trash are the fucking worst.

[pnwmom]

38. And don't forget drugs and alcohol. Alcohol is consumed at high levels

by college students than by their age-peers who go to work after high school.

I wonder how many students have roommates with guns.

[alcibiades_mystery]

46. Seriously

I'm going to demand hazard pay.

[Crunchy Frog]

24. Not that it never happens.

Just that you're expected to do your part for Liberty, and die without making a fuss.

[Oneironaut]

6. A normal person doesn't kill over a grade.

I know that's a captain obvious statement, but only a tormented, sick mind jumps to murder over something so small.

[pnwmom]

31. So? A tormented sick mind without a gun would find murder harder to accomplish.

[valerief]

7. Thanks heavens the shooter didn't have to forfeit his gawd-given 2A right to a killing machine. Now

THAT would be a real tragedy.

[malaise]

9. +1,000

Sickening

[Brickbat]

8. Heartbreaking that he was under that pressure. Young people feel the weight of high stakes.

[malaise]

11. I used to do grade reviews

Lots of these young folks feel they are entitled to a good grade regardless of the crap written in the exam booklet.
That some could ask for a review is what scared me the most.

We don't know if he was under pressure. We know that he murdered someone today. I'll spare my thoughts for the Professor and his family and friends.

[Brickbat]

12. Lots of kids make themselves sick over the demand for excellence from administrators, families,

peers, themselves and future employers. It's a complicated world.

[malaise]

14. Not lots - a few

Every semester, every year. They are a minority. And there are others who are decent students who simply panic under exam conditions. They too are a minority.

Very very few even attack let alone kill their professors

[Brickbat]

16. Our experiences with students who are suffering from depression and struggles differ.

As I say, it's a complicated world.

[malaise]

59. True but this student had a kill list and

he killed a young woman- she was found dead after California police had them check on her since she was on his list.


Edited - both were from Minnesota.

[kiva]

18. Sorry, my sympathy is with the professor's family.

The student had a choice to not kill his professor.

[Brickbat]

20. I see people are misunderstanding my wording -- rather than edit, I'll say here that the heartbreak

I expressed applies to the entire situation, and that there are clearly many people hurting tonight because of the student's actions.

[ailsagirl]

22. Well-put, Brickbat n/t

[kiva]

23. I was too quick to judge your post, sorry.

I've had a couple of online students who have made me edgy before; I had no idea what they looked like, and since my schedule of onground classes and office hours are posted, it's made for a couple of uncomfortable semesters, so I'm more inclined to be less understanding/sympathetic about this issue.

[bjo59]

28. I'm with you on that. One semester I had to have a police officer stationed outside the door of a

classroom during the last week of classes because the unhinged behavior of an ex-military MP had finally scared not only me but all of the rest of the students too. You're really a sitting duck in a classroom or office with only one door in or out.

[kiva]

47. Scary - glad you made it through safely.

Yes, when you start getting the "You've ruined my life" posts it can be tough to sort out the drama llamas from the ones who are serious.

[Brickbat]

35. No worries.

We all have different perspectives.

[Hoyt]

10. Whatayah bet it's some kid introduced to gun culture by a proud daddy gunner?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

17. Not surprised, I figured as much

The good news is soon everyone is just going to be given A+ grades because life is just too hard and students are customers anyway, so the customer is always right.

[bjo59]

29. That's absolutely right. It's my plan when the Texas campus gun law goes into effect.

[oberliner]

50. It had nothing to do with any grades

The police chief said "a dispute over intellectual property" was tied to the UCLA shooting.

Gunman Mainak Sarkar felt the professor he killed had released information "that harmed him," Beck said. "UCLA says this is absolutely not true. This is the workings of his imagination," the police chief said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/us/ucla-shooting/

[UTUSN]

21. So much (again and again) for the gunnutters

[JonLeibowitz]

26. A sad day. He is an alum from my school; I know some of his research mentors

[bjo59]

27. Texas passed a "guns on campus" law that goes into effect soon.

It's right about that time that I will begin to give all my college students As on every single thing they turn in. Big money in manufacturing and selling fire arms, I hear. Well that's what the US is all about. $$$$$$$ It's certainly not about education.

[tblue37]

33. Here in Kansas we will have guns on campus starting next year, 2017. nt

[Paladin]

51. Effective date: 8-1-2016. The 50th anniversary of Whitman's murders on the UT campus.

Don't think for a moment that it's coincidental. Sick fucks.

[a la izquierda]

39. So I'm waiting for all the gun nuts...

Who said this wouldn't/didn't/couldn't happen, so I need not fear, to have a nice bite of crow.

I live in a state where I am certain this issue will come up. I cannot lock the doors to my university classrooms.
This is horrible.

[linuxman]

44. Show me where any gun rights advocate said that.

You can't.

Guns were banned at this campus. I'm pretty sure gun owners have never said that a self-declared gun free campus was a magical force field which blocks out all guns. That would be the prohibitionists.

[a la izquierda]

55. Oh what was the DU posters name?

Hang on, I'll look in posting history. It's been posted here, on this very website, that students who are armed pose no threat.

Edit: can't look too far back in my search history on my phone and I don't want to slander anyone since I can't remember the dude's name.

Edit again: Here, in relation to how guns on campus change how professors teach: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016145514#post3

Then there's this hot mess of a thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141359098

Perhaps my first post was ill-worded. I do not and fucking WILL not be okay with students carrying guns in my class; students are stressed out more than ever. I teach in a very conservative state, and I discuss lovely topics such as: US support for genocidal dictators during the Cold War; US funding of genocide and other war crimes. I'm a woman; I've had two students threaten me or harass me. Do you think I want them armed? Fuck no.

If you can't leave your toys at home, find an avenue besides college. Because I sure as hell don't want you in my class and as long as it's legal for me to do so (because I know this stupid issue is coming to my state), I will ban them from my classes (or better yet, move to a saner country).

[linuxman]

61. So no then.

Any student who wants to harm you with a gun isn't going to wait for campus approved carry to do so. Sort of like the asshole who just killed his prof. at ucla.

You seem to think that an angry student will pull out a gun and start shooting whenever a topic is broached which they don't care for. That's very odd. How many times have you been physically assaulted in the past for that reason? Now, why do you think resorting to murder would be even likelier, given an armed student in that scenario? It's nonsense fear mongering at its finest.

[friendly_iconoclast]

62. Pious fraud is part and parcel of modern gun control advocacy:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172168674

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027025804

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017253473

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172194734

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1172&pid=192266

[sarisataka]

45. When did UCLA

Start allowing guns on campus?

[Hoyt]

52. When they allowed kids from the gun culture.

[sarisataka]

54. It sounds like the shooter

May have been born in India. Do you suggest prohibiting students from India?

How do you define 'gun culture'? Should college apps jave the question 'Do you or anyone in your family own a gun?' All who answer 'yes' will be denied admission.

[romanic]

48. Oh look

another tragedy attacking gun owners. -_-

[oberliner]

49. He wasn't angry about his grade

Gunman Mainak Sarkar felt the professor he killed had released information "that harmed him," Beck said. "UCLA says this is absolutely not true. This is the workings of his imagination," the police chief said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/us/ucla-shooting/

[ailsagirl]

53. The early reports had said that

I know that early reports can get things wrong. Thanks for the link

Update, upon reading story at link

He had a hit list??

[oberliner]

56. Understood

In any case, it sounds like this young man was pretty unhinged. I would be curious to learn more. For instance, were there any warning signs or hints that something was amiss?

[ailsagirl]

57. I just read that he executed a woman who was on his hit list

Terrible

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ucla-shooting-live-updates-htmlstory.html

[malaise]

60. Press conference on now

on GEM$NBComcast

[Jim Beard]

58. Had a fellow a long time ago, about the very late 1990's by the name of Kluge to post

messages to the Time magazine Pathfinder message boards. These were some of the first message boards, before CNN.