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Kablooie

(18,606 posts)
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:44 AM Jun 2016

It just occurred to me that the shooting will probably shift a lot of voters from Hillary to Trump.

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by LostOne4Ever (a host of the General Discussion forum).

Of course Trump's "solutions" are bullshite but his simple, fantasy answers to extremist attacks will still sound better to some scared people than reasonable discussions of what can actually be done that Hillary and Obama will be more likely to champion.

I predict a bump in Trump popularity in the coming days.

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It just occurred to me that the shooting will probably shift a lot of voters from Hillary to Trump. (Original Post) Kablooie Jun 2016 OP
I don't think so. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2016 #1
Yeah, as if hate just became popular overnight. The shooter pulled a Trump, he hated a group! L. Coyote Jun 2016 #26
I think the opposite is true. In times of crisis, sane folks, which there are a lot of... Joe the Revelator Jun 2016 #2
George W Bush had a 90% approval rating after 9/11 Fumesucker Jun 2016 #27
I think ISIS is going to be destroyed in the months to come. It has already applegrove Jun 2016 #3
ISIS itself, maybe, but radical unstability will continue until political solutions are found Albertoo Jun 2016 #7
We could have voted for lancer78 Jun 2016 #9
Too late: the GW calamitous war has sparked unstability for decades Albertoo Jun 2016 #12
I agree that the west will still be facing terrorism, and the middle east, applegrove Jun 2016 #18
No question Obama is cool and that GW did tremendous damage Albertoo Jun 2016 #19
They are well aware of radical jihadism. They don't mention Islam in the applegrove Jun 2016 #34
I fear you are right Albertoo Jun 2016 #4
As I stated above to you lancer78 Jun 2016 #10
Too late: the Saudis are finally realizing they shot themselves in the foot Albertoo Jun 2016 #14
Islam is a faith with 1.6 billion adherents, 23% of the people on Earth. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #29
I think the reverse. MADem Jun 2016 #5
The Paris Bataclan and Orlando Pulse witness in favor of gun ownership Albertoo Jun 2016 #8
If that asshole hadn't been able to get his hand on that gun, 50 people would be alive MADem Jun 2016 #13
Countries with gun control suffered the same massacres -> Guns are not the issue Albertoo Jun 2016 #15
Doesn't happen in Australia. MADem Jun 2016 #16
I disagree with your two points Albertoo Jun 2016 #17
We're talking about GUNS here, though. MADem Jun 2016 #25
.+1 840high Jun 2016 #31
Different culture davidn3600 Jun 2016 #21
Sure whatever. They're all Kumbaya down undah! MADem Jun 2016 #24
Lets see what the toad says tomorrow MFM008 Jun 2016 #6
it is fodder for the fearful and the gun nuts swhisper1 Jun 2016 #11
I don't think there are very many minds that will be changed Gman Jun 2016 #20
People said the same thing after Paris and San Bernardino. Did it happen then? n/t JustinL Jun 2016 #22
They were like that already FreakinDJ Jun 2016 #23
I predict the opposite. eom ReRe Jun 2016 #28
I don't know. Behind the Aegis Jun 2016 #30
I predict that hatred will be less popular tomorrow, that means Donald too. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #32
why is this being framed as a terrorist incident? Have seen NO evidence for that. plays into the msongs Jun 2016 #33
Because he called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS? Abq_Sarah Jun 2016 #35
We will see. One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #36
trump's "wall" solution came right after the San Bernadino shooting, ellenrr Jun 2016 #37
I don't know Dorian Gray Jun 2016 #38
LOCKING THREAD AS SOP VIOLATION LostOne4Ever Jun 2016 #39

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,584 posts)
1. I don't think so.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:46 AM
Jun 2016

The pants-wetter types were already for him. His narcissistic response to the shooting has disgusted an awful lot of people, maybe even some who weren't already disgusted.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
26. Yeah, as if hate just became popular overnight. The shooter pulled a Trump, he hated a group!
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:48 AM
Jun 2016

Some people will try to exploit this to create more hate of Muslims, but what has really happened is hatred just took a big hit. Hatred for a group, a la Donald, is what led to the shooting. How off the mark can you get to say that benefits the hater-in-chief? Donald is sooo screwed now.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
2. I think the opposite is true. In times of crisis, sane folks, which there are a lot of...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:48 AM
Jun 2016

want an adult in the room, making the calls. Hillary is many things, but she knows the game and is certainly an adult.

Trump lacks a ton of credentials, with maturity being the largest missing piece.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
27. George W Bush had a 90% approval rating after 9/11
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:51 AM
Jun 2016

Al Gore would have been lucky not to get impeached..

I'm skeptical that Americans want sensible leadership.

applegrove

(118,484 posts)
3. I think ISIS is going to be destroyed in the months to come. It has already
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:50 AM
Jun 2016

started in many arenas. ISIS has is losing many strongholds in three countries. Obama will get credit and it will help Hillary.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
7. ISIS itself, maybe, but radical unstability will continue until political solutions are found
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:57 AM
Jun 2016

- the Sunni tribes of Iraq will continue supporting radical Mujahedins as long as they are oppressed by the Shias in power in Baghdad.

- the Syrian population will continue giving support to radical Mujahedins as long as they are oppressed by Bachar and his death squads.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
9. We could have voted for
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:01 AM
Jun 2016

someone who didn't want any more wars in the middle east. That would have been a political solution.

Also, if America would stop supporting the Westboro Baptist Church of Islam (aka Saudi Wahhabi ism), we would be better off.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
12. Too late: the GW calamitous war has sparked unstability for decades
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jun 2016

applegrove

(118,484 posts)
18. I agree that the west will still be facing terrorism, and the middle east,
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:19 AM
Jun 2016

even worse. But isis is what Trump is using to scare people to get votes. It will not work when Obama rolls isis up. That no drama Obama is a pretty cool leader on the whole.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
19. No question Obama is cool and that GW did tremendous damage
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:21 AM
Jun 2016

But with the future in mind, US Democrats should start waking to the danger of radical Islam

applegrove

(118,484 posts)
34. They are well aware of radical jihadism. They don't mention Islam in the
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:29 AM
Jun 2016

descriptions of their foes because grouping people with the terrorists is not smart. When you are fighting a war it is also a war of words. Why insult a religion when ISIS, Al queda and the Taliban are abberations.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
4. I fear you are right
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:51 AM
Jun 2016

I have posted quite often that the Democratic Party should elaborate a more robust position regarding radical Islam. Leaving the issue to the Trumps of this world is self defeating.

And yes, every San Bernardino, every Orlando will help Trump as long as there will be people in the Democratic Party trying to claim "this has nothing to do with Islam". And that ISIS "has nothing to do with Islam".

Far worse than Trump can rise in the future if the issue is not addressed. The far right candidate almost won the Austrian Presidency after the local mainstream parties kept denying the influx of immigrants from the Syria was uncontrolled and brought a culture clash.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
10. As I stated above to you
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:02 AM
Jun 2016

America needs to stop supporting the Westboro Baptist Church of Islam.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
14. Too late: the Saudis are finally realizing they shot themselves in the foot
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:05 AM
Jun 2016

The radicals they have financed for 30 years now want to topple the Saudi and Qatari corrupt royal families. Decades of financing loons will bite them back. Hard.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
29. Islam is a faith with 1.6 billion adherents, 23% of the people on Earth.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:53 AM
Jun 2016

Trump is the one saying this has to do with Islam. It is simply wrong to equate terrorism and a major religion. We are better than that and it is Trump's flaw to bash Islam. He is totally wrong in doing so.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
5. I think the reverse.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:53 AM
Jun 2016

There is a growing demand for real gun control. This is an illustration of why.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
8. The Paris Bataclan and Orlando Pulse witness in favor of gun ownership
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:59 AM
Jun 2016

The Paris Bataclan shooters stopped shooting at the concertgoers as soon as one lone person with a gun appeared on the scene.

And no gun at the Orlando Pulse gave the shooter one hour to kill 50 people.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. If that asshole hadn't been able to get his hand on that gun, 50 people would be alive
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jun 2016

and 53 wouldn't be wounded.

So, whatever.

It is TIME for some real gun control in this country. ENOUGH.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
15. Countries with gun control suffered the same massacres -> Guns are not the issue
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:07 AM
Jun 2016

Radical Islam is. And it's time Democrats talked about it. Or Trump will grow.

(I bet Trump will fail. But will we be equally lucky with the next, articulate Trump?)

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. Doesn't happen in Australia.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:12 AM
Jun 2016

Enough.

This event will be a tipping point. And it's about damn time. And Trump? Fuck that bloated orange ass.

I ain't afraid of no Trump--that idiot couldn't find his own ass, never mind a gun, with both hands. He's an idiot. This discussion is bigger than he'll ever be.

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
17. I disagree with your two points
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:18 AM
Jun 2016

There have been Islamic terror plots in Australia. It doesn't need to be guns to work. Bombs work equally well. Are you going to ban fertilizers?

And I bet Trump will lose (although it's by no means sure yet). So, OK, do not fear Trump.
Fear the next Trump-like populist who will emerge if Democrats play blind to the rise of radical Islam. Failure to call for a screening of Syrian refugees is a death trap for the American democracy.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
25. We're talking about GUNS here, though.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:42 AM
Jun 2016

And they don't have big gun plots in Australia because they got a handle on the gun situation down there. No one is afraid of Trump who has a brain in their head. He's a stupid blowhard who will trip himself up with his own big fat mouth.

Enough with the Be Very Afraid nonsense. Only an idiot would be afraid of that moron. His poor showing will make it harder for the next idiot who comes along, not easier.

Dylan Root wasn't a 'radical islamist.' If anything, he was a radical Christian.

We should probably be a little worried about those types, too, wouldn't you say?

 

840high

(17,196 posts)
31. .+1
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:58 AM
Jun 2016
 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
21. Different culture
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:26 AM
Jun 2016

Australia isn't as violent as America is. It also doesn't have the racial tensions and other problem.

Europe has heavy gun control and yet they are still able to kill people.

And there won't be a tipping point. The 2nd amendment is going nowhere. The idea we could put Australia-like gun controls in place is complete fantasy.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
24. Sure whatever. They're all Kumbaya down undah!
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:38 AM
Jun 2016

You seriously don't think Australia has racial issues?

You need to study the history of that country.

The Aboriginal people might disagree with you....as might the many immigrants who have had a rough go of it assimilating.

And Europe are pikers compared to the way we do it--movie theaters, schools, churches, and now nightclubs?

You can't possibly be trying to make the case that there's equivalence, because there isn't.

smdh.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
6. Lets see what the toad says tomorrow
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:55 AM
Jun 2016

who says teleprompter?

 

swhisper1

(851 posts)
11. it is fodder for the fearful and the gun nuts
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:02 AM
Jun 2016

and the evangelicals

Gman

(24,780 posts)
20. I don't think there are very many minds that will be changed
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:25 AM
Jun 2016

If anything this reinforces decisions already made.

JustinL

(722 posts)
22. People said the same thing after Paris and San Bernardino. Did it happen then? n/t
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:27 AM
Jun 2016
 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
23. They were like that already
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:35 AM
Jun 2016

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
28. I predict the opposite. eom
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:52 AM
Jun 2016

Behind the Aegis

(53,919 posts)
30. I don't know.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:57 AM
Jun 2016

If it had been a group other than LGBT people, perhaps. However, the victims were selected because they were GLBT, so it doesn't register for many people as being "important." If the media continues with the "terrorism" angle and completely abandons the "hate crime" element, then there is a possibility of a bump for Trump.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
32. I predict that hatred will be less popular tomorrow, that means Donald too.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 02:59 AM
Jun 2016

Why would this shift a lot of voters to hatred when hatred is the problem here. The non-haters are what, going to get upset and support the guy who hates them too? Ridiculous assertion you have there.

msongs

(67,351 posts)
33. why is this being framed as a terrorist incident? Have seen NO evidence for that. plays into the
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:20 AM
Jun 2016

hands of gun owners and the trump crowd.

Abq_Sarah

(2,883 posts)
35. Because he called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:39 AM
Jun 2016

That along with his actions point pretty clearly to terrorism.

One Black Sheep

(458 posts)
36. We will see.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 03:43 AM
Jun 2016

I'm not sure it will have that big of an impact, to shift "a lot of voters", but I do agree it hurts Hillary and helps Trump. That said, it's still June, and November is months away still. However, if this attack, or another one like it, occurred nearer the election, then it would be a different story.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
37. trump's "wall" solution came right after the San Bernadino shooting,
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:49 AM
Jun 2016

as did his 'ban the Muslims' proposal, so we can expect more attacks on Muslims, as well as on our civil liberties.
Esp. since the FBI had had an interest in this guy.
Right wing will point to this as a reason to give the FBI more power and the reasonable response like banning assault rifles, will be dropped out of the spot-light.

Dorian Gray

(13,479 posts)
38. I don't know
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:33 AM
Jun 2016

I think some of the Northern NYC/NJ republicans I grew up knowing are afraid of the chaos of a Trump presidency and would vote for Hillary (or nobody at all).

At least that's what I'm seeing.

I hope it's true.

BC I'm frightened.

LostOne4Ever

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