It just occurred to me that the shooting will probably shift a lot of voters from Hillary to Trump.

[Kablooie]

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Of course Trump's "solutions" are bullshite but his simple, fantasy answers to extremist attacks will still sound better to some scared people than reasonable discussions of what can actually be done that Hillary and Obama will be more likely to champion.

I predict a bump in Trump popularity in the coming days.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I don't think so.

The pants-wetter types were already for him. His narcissistic response to the shooting has disgusted an awful lot of people, maybe even some who weren't already disgusted.

[L. Coyote]

26. Yeah, as if hate just became popular overnight. The shooter pulled a Trump, he hated a group!

Some people will try to exploit this to create more hate of Muslims, but what has really happened is hatred just took a big hit. Hatred for a group, a la Donald, is what led to the shooting. How off the mark can you get to say that benefits the hater-in-chief? Donald is sooo screwed now.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. I think the opposite is true. In times of crisis, sane folks, which there are a lot of...

want an adult in the room, making the calls. Hillary is many things, but she knows the game and is certainly an adult.

Trump lacks a ton of credentials, with maturity being the largest missing piece.

[Fumesucker]

27. George W Bush had a 90% approval rating after 9/11

Al Gore would have been lucky not to get impeached..

I'm skeptical that Americans want sensible leadership.

[applegrove]

3. I think ISIS is going to be destroyed in the months to come. It has already

started in many arenas. ISIS has is losing many strongholds in three countries. Obama will get credit and it will help Hillary.

[Albertoo]

7. ISIS itself, maybe, but radical unstability will continue until political solutions are found

- the Sunni tribes of Iraq will continue supporting radical Mujahedins as long as they are oppressed by the Shias in power in Baghdad.

- the Syrian population will continue giving support to radical Mujahedins as long as they are oppressed by Bachar and his death squads.

[lancer78]

9. We could have voted for

someone who didn't want any more wars in the middle east. That would have been a political solution.

Also, if America would stop supporting the Westboro Baptist Church of Islam (aka Saudi Wahhabi ism), we would be better off.

[Albertoo]

12. Too late: the GW calamitous war has sparked unstability for decades

[applegrove]

18. I agree that the west will still be facing terrorism, and the middle east,

even worse. But isis is what Trump is using to scare people to get votes. It will not work when Obama rolls isis up. That no drama Obama is a pretty cool leader on the whole.

[Albertoo]

19. No question Obama is cool and that GW did tremendous damage

But with the future in mind, US Democrats should start waking to the danger of radical Islam

[applegrove]

34. They are well aware of radical jihadism. They don't mention Islam in the

descriptions of their foes because grouping people with the terrorists is not smart. When you are fighting a war it is also a war of words. Why insult a religion when ISIS, Al queda and the Taliban are abberations.

[Albertoo]

4. I fear you are right

I have posted quite often that the Democratic Party should elaborate a more robust position regarding radical Islam. Leaving the issue to the Trumps of this world is self defeating.

And yes, every San Bernardino, every Orlando will help Trump as long as there will be people in the Democratic Party trying to claim "this has nothing to do with Islam". And that ISIS "has nothing to do with Islam".

Far worse than Trump can rise in the future if the issue is not addressed. The far right candidate almost won the Austrian Presidency after the local mainstream parties kept denying the influx of immigrants from the Syria was uncontrolled and brought a culture clash.

[lancer78]

10. As I stated above to you

America needs to stop supporting the Westboro Baptist Church of Islam.

[Albertoo]

14. Too late: the Saudis are finally realizing they shot themselves in the foot

The radicals they have financed for 30 years now want to topple the Saudi and Qatari corrupt royal families. Decades of financing loons will bite them back. Hard.

[L. Coyote]

29. Islam is a faith with 1.6 billion adherents, 23% of the people on Earth.

Trump is the one saying this has to do with Islam. It is simply wrong to equate terrorism and a major religion. We are better than that and it is Trump's flaw to bash Islam. He is totally wrong in doing so.

[MADem]

5. I think the reverse.

There is a growing demand for real gun control. This is an illustration of why.

[Albertoo]

8. The Paris Bataclan and Orlando Pulse witness in favor of gun ownership

The Paris Bataclan shooters stopped shooting at the concertgoers as soon as one lone person with a gun appeared on the scene.

And no gun at the Orlando Pulse gave the shooter one hour to kill 50 people.

[MADem]

13. If that asshole hadn't been able to get his hand on that gun, 50 people would be alive

and 53 wouldn't be wounded.

So, whatever.

It is TIME for some real gun control in this country. ENOUGH.

[Albertoo]

15. Countries with gun control suffered the same massacres -> Guns are not the issue

Radical Islam is. And it's time Democrats talked about it. Or Trump will grow.

(I bet Trump will fail. But will we be equally lucky with the next, articulate Trump?)

[MADem]

16. Doesn't happen in Australia.

Enough.

This event will be a tipping point. And it's about damn time. And Trump? Fuck that bloated orange ass.

I ain't afraid of no Trump--that idiot couldn't find his own ass, never mind a gun, with both hands. He's an idiot. This discussion is bigger than he'll ever be.

[Albertoo]

17. I disagree with your two points

There have been Islamic terror plots in Australia. It doesn't need to be guns to work. Bombs work equally well. Are you going to ban fertilizers?

And I bet Trump will lose (although it's by no means sure yet). So, OK, do not fear Trump.
Fear the next Trump-like populist who will emerge if Democrats play blind to the rise of radical Islam. Failure to call for a screening of Syrian refugees is a death trap for the American democracy.

[MADem]

25. We're talking about GUNS here, though.

And they don't have big gun plots in Australia because they got a handle on the gun situation down there. No one is afraid of Trump who has a brain in their head. He's a stupid blowhard who will trip himself up with his own big fat mouth.

Enough with the Be Very Afraid nonsense. Only an idiot would be afraid of that moron. His poor showing will make it harder for the next idiot who comes along, not easier.

Dylan Root wasn't a 'radical islamist.' If anything, he was a radical Christian.

We should probably be a little worried about those types, too, wouldn't you say?

[840high]

31. .+1

[davidn3600]

21. Different culture

Australia isn't as violent as America is. It also doesn't have the racial tensions and other problem.

Europe has heavy gun control and yet they are still able to kill people.

And there won't be a tipping point. The 2nd amendment is going nowhere. The idea we could put Australia-like gun controls in place is complete fantasy.

[MADem]

24. Sure whatever. They're all Kumbaya down undah!

You seriously don't think Australia has racial issues?

You need to study the history of that country.

The Aboriginal people might disagree with you....as might the many immigrants who have had a rough go of it assimilating.

And Europe are pikers compared to the way we do it--movie theaters, schools, churches, and now nightclubs?

You can't possibly be trying to make the case that there's equivalence, because there isn't.

smdh.

[MFM008]

6. Lets see what the toad says tomorrow

who says teleprompter?

[swhisper1]

11. it is fodder for the fearful and the gun nuts

and the evangelicals

[Gman]

20. I don't think there are very many minds that will be changed

If anything this reinforces decisions already made.

[JustinL]

22. People said the same thing after Paris and San Bernardino. Did it happen then? n/t

[FreakinDJ]

23. They were like that already

[ReRe]

28. I predict the opposite. eom

[Behind the Aegis]

30. I don't know.

If it had been a group other than LGBT people, perhaps. However, the victims were selected because they were GLBT, so it doesn't register for many people as being "important." If the media continues with the "terrorism" angle and completely abandons the "hate crime" element, then there is a possibility of a bump for Trump.

[L. Coyote]

32. I predict that hatred will be less popular tomorrow, that means Donald too.

Why would this shift a lot of voters to hatred when hatred is the problem here. The non-haters are what, going to get upset and support the guy who hates them too? Ridiculous assertion you have there.

[msongs]

33. why is this being framed as a terrorist incident? Have seen NO evidence for that. plays into the

hands of gun owners and the trump crowd.

[Abq_Sarah]

35. Because he called 911 and pledged allegiance to ISIS?

That along with his actions point pretty clearly to terrorism.

[One Black Sheep]

36. We will see.

I'm not sure it will have that big of an impact, to shift "a lot of voters", but I do agree it hurts Hillary and helps Trump. That said, it's still June, and November is months away still. However, if this attack, or another one like it, occurred nearer the election, then it would be a different story.

[ellenrr]

37. trump's "wall" solution came right after the San Bernadino shooting,

as did his 'ban the Muslims' proposal, so we can expect more attacks on Muslims, as well as on our civil liberties.
Esp. since the FBI had had an interest in this guy.
Right wing will point to this as a reason to give the FBI more power and the reasonable response like banning assault rifles, will be dropped out of the spot-light.

[Dorian Gray]

38. I don't know

I think some of the Northern NYC/NJ republicans I grew up knowing are afraid of the chaos of a Trump presidency and would vote for Hillary (or nobody at all).

At least that's what I'm seeing.

I hope it's true.

BC I'm frightened.

[LostOne4Ever]

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