Omar Mateen: Angry, pious 'lost soul' driven to kill

[DonCoquixote]

http://www.tampabay.com/news/omar-mateen-angry-pious-lost-soul-driven-to-kill/2281430

I fell this is an important article because it has a lot of the actual facts about Mateen, much of which will be blown over in all the hype.

Outside of that, several things stand out IMHO.

"Public records and interviews with neighbors, coworkers and family friends paint a picture of a man who had become increasingly withdrawn from the world. Having weathered job loss and a broken marriage, he was the father of a young boy. He had begun to act more and more devout in recent years but still was capable of sudden vulgarity and flashes of anger at gay people, blacks, Jews and women."

"Mateen's ex-wife, Sitora Yusufiy, described him as unstable and abusive during a Sunday news conference in Colorado, where she now lives. "

Now here come some chilling parts:
"He took classes at Indian River State College in Fort Pierce and in October 2006 got a job as a prison guard for the Florida Department of Corrections. He didn't last long in the position. Records show he left the job in April 2007 for an "administrative matter unrelated to misconduct."

Now, I can tell you, as a former employee of the Florida Department of Corrections, it takes EFFORT to get fired as a guard, namely because the department needs any warm body willing to get getting stabbed, raped, or have a gang member kill you on the orders of some guy writing a coded letter from the inside. This is the same department where officers would probably have these tied knot key chains that would act as nooses. The behavior was blatantly encouraged.

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2001/sep/15/racist-knot-of-florida-guards/

so for this person to have gotten canned, in a job that frankly encourages bullies, says a LOT. Throw in wife beating, and you showcase a nasty character.

"G4S placed him at the St. Lucie County Courthouse, manning the metal detectors at the front, said Daniel Gilroy, a former coworker. Before long, Mateen was involved in an incident with a black colleague, Gilroy said, and was sent to man the gate at the PGA Village neighborhood in St. Lucie West."

"He said Mateen would smack things in the guard house when he got angry, openly lusted after female guests of the country club and used slurs to describe gay people, blacks, Jews and women. "He never used other words to describe them," Gilroy said. "Oh, he hated women. He thought they were objects, he thought they shouldn't be allowed to drive, he thought he should have his pick."

So, what do we have here, the sort of person typically recruited by religious extremists, a person whose sense of manhood was bruised, who was used to taking it out on women, blacks, gays, and who felt he was not given respect. He was someone mired in the abusive, violent culture of security, whose empathy was probably already ground thin. Someone who had no thought about what his act would do to his young son.

and exactly the sort of person that would have no problem buying guns in Florida, hell, this person was trusted with being a Corrections Officer and a Security guard, despite a number of red flags. Does beating your wife mean nothing on a background check?

I focus here because yes,this is easily politicized, by both sides, at the expense of the LGBT in Florida who not only know there are plenty of people of all creeds who could have done this, but that there are probably several wannabee warriors who want to be next. There is an ugly gun culture in America, but in Florida it has blossomed and rotted, and it knows how to target desperate people (the people who want to prove their manhood) against desperate people (the people group one feels they have a right to oppress with said gun.) These are the same people who defended the right of George Zimmerman to sell the gun that killed a young black man.

[uponit7771]

1. Sounds like he is an all around asshole the type of person to hate "others" to the point of killing

[TheBlackAdder]

2. The Sanpaku Eyes of the shooter seems consistent with most of these people.

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Time and again, the portraits of the shooters reveal a condition known as Sanpaku eyes.

According to Chinese medical face reading, when the white part of the eye, known as the sclera, is visible beneath the iris, it represents physical imbalance in the body and is claimed to be present in alcoholics, drug addicts and people who over-consume sugar or grain. Conversely, when the upper sclera is visible it is said to be an indication of mental imbalance in people such as psychotics, murderers, and anyone rageful. Stress and fatigue may also be a cause.[1] In either condition, it is believed that these people attract accidents and violence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanpaku

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[HereSince1628]

4. This sort of thing is why the political response always gets around to blaming mental illness

I sure hope some investigator palpates whatever is left of the assassin's cranium so that phrenology gets a chance to weigh in.

[TheBlackAdder]

8. The act of killing scores of people indicates there is something wrong with the person.

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Whether it's for some perverted religious cause or other calling, mass carnage reveals multiple DSM-IV issues.


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[HereSince1628]

10. Something wrong ususally = criminally deviant, and doesn't require psuedo-science

to be applied.

And in which state is your arm-chair forensic psychiatry licensed to use an OUTDATED version of the DSM??

[TheBlackAdder]

13. Criminal deviance is not attributablke to mental imbalance or classification?

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While DSM-V is the new standard, it is not fully accepted--many classifications are in question.

You can go back to pretending that you know what you are talking about again.


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[HereSince1628]

14. Criminal deviance is absolutely not necessarily attributable to mental imbalance.

You need to read very much more psychology before practicing it from your keyboard.

Bye now.

[TheBlackAdder]

15. Bye Bye. Toodles.

[rjsquirrel]

20. No

you can't tell bad people by looking at their eyes.

What we have here is post facto confirmation bias dressed up in faux Chinese philosophy.

[snooper2]

26. I wouldn't say bad people just by eyes, but you can usually tell something is off

Shit, Dylann Roof looked like something straight out of A Clockwork Orange

[FailureToCommunicate]

3. The suspect profiles always have some similarities, but the common fact is easy access to high kill-

ing power guns.

[Cosmocat]

9. Yeah

this conversation is so incredibly tiring.

The most dishonest conversation this country has, and that is saying a lot.

The most basic element is completely off the table.

It is even worse than global warming.

We can't get shit done about it, like this issue, but at least the jackasses who deny it are chided.

Every completely stupid ass rationalization with this bullshit "guns rights" stuff is indulged ...

[TexasBushwhacker]

22. Another commonality is they are almost always

YOUNG MEN!

So since we can't ban young men maybe we shouldn't enable them to kill dozens of people. No one NEEDS a AR-15 to protect themselves or to hunt.

[smirkymonkey]

27. Yes, exactly!

+1000

[Bluenorthwest]

5. Who wrote this? They call him 'devout' and 'pious' and those are positive traits. Sick writing.

This is twisted shit. Just admit to who did this, stop playing games with the lives of others. This was a religious bigot. Not another sort. The religious sort. Deal with it folks.

[DonCoquixote]

6. His family

but the article shows him in his true, UGLY light as a bigot. Perhaps neither devout nor Pious should be considered positive traits.Add to it he also attacked blacks, which is odd considering that is forbidden BY Islam. The point being he was many things stacked on top of each other, a toxin on a toxin.

[Bluenorthwest]

7. No those words are not ascribed to family but to the author's own choice of words.

The article is a defense of his motive. Horrible to use those words for him.

"Pious" means devoutly religious. The word is used only by the author, who also claims that religion is innocent of all influence of this man. The article is slanted and in fact bigoted and 50 are dead and the bigotry is not cute anymore. Clown time is over. No more of this.

[DinahMoeHum]

11. Sounds like he used ISIL/ISIS/Daesh as a beard for his final act.

If ISIS never existed, he would have used another excuse.

[jtuck004]

19. Precisely n/t

[pangaia]

24. Yes, true.

[Sunlei]

12. what I think crazy is, two times the FBI checked this man yet our country allows gun buys without an

'ok' from the FBI.

[anoNY42]

16. FBI runs the NICS background check system

So technically he did have an "ok" from the FBI.

[sulphurdunn]

17. Something I found curious

about this story was that the ex-wife's father and mother, who I believe are Muslim, came and brought her home when they learned he was abusing her. The Muslim stereotype suggest that it's almost obligatory for men to beat their wives. I could be wrong, and I know spousal abuse is not uncommon anywhere, but I honestly don't think that most women or their parents will put up with much of it regardless of what fundamentalist religion or culture have to say on the subject, and that plays in spades for premeditated mass murder.

[pangaia]

25. When you say, " The Muslim stereotype suggest that it's almost obligatory

for men to beat their wives," are you suggesting that this IS the case, or just that it is an ignorant stereotype?

I think (hope) you mean the latter, but just want to ask.

[sulphurdunn]

31. The latter

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. This says nothing about his more recent marriage

Apparently he was married in 2013, when he got a mortgage with his wife: http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/omar-mateen-wife-noor-zahi-salman-mother-son-children-photos-pictures-facebook-married/

and they have a 3 year old son. The Washington Post say she 'appears to have left him', but we have no idea when, or how reliable that 'appears' is.

[tenderfoot]

21. He's a typical uptight conservative

violent to the core.

[RockaFowler]

23. Here is his car at his Apt Complex

My station is there right now and there is tape all over the car from the FBI.


On a personal note: his father lives 2 blocks from my house in Port St Lucie. This area is very tense right now. He was living in this area for years and no-one spoke up before today. Really sad and scary.

It's time that we look around and are more aware of our surroundings and the people within!

[smirkymonkey]

28. He sounded and looked like a total asshole.

I'm glad he's gone. I'm just sorry he took so many people with him.

[Dalziel3979]

29. Lost soul? Nope. No soul.

[DonCoquixote]

30. interesting update

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141487590

so this guy got drunk several time at the club, visiting it. Gee, sounds like such a "pious" Muslim.