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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums35mm movie film print production / projection to cease worldwide by 2015
In other words theatrical movies will be all digital in the US, France, the UK, Japan, and Australia by the end of 2013. The rest of the world will follow in 2015. I've been expecting this to happen, but not so soon.
James Cameron will give theater owners even more to worry about, because he plans to shoot his Avatar sequels at 60 frames a second.
Not that's power, isn't it? Essentially, if you want to show our films in your theaters (films that will likely be top ticket sellers) you had better pay for those upgrades, theater owners.
Note: A 60fps "standard" is part of the old "Showscan" cinematic process developed by Douglas Trumbull in the 1970s / 1980s.
Basically, a lot of small towns in America I think are going to be without a movie theater," Wagner says. "Im having a harder time getting prints as we speak.
Some estimates predict as many as 10 percent of the nations theaters could shut down over this.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)it sent me off on a Wikipedia fueled stream of consciousness via hyperlink.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)I was a projectionist during my first time at college. It was a nice little job for a student.
I'm not really sure why they would want to shoot so many frames though. Off the top of my head, 24 is close to a minimum for realism, and it tops out somewhere in the 30-40 frame per second range. After that, there really isn't much purpose I can think of.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Trumbull discovered that although viewers see smooth motion from film displayed at 24 frames per second (fps), the standard in motion pictures for decades, they are subconsciously still aware of the flicker. This awareness reduces the emotional impact of the film. As the speed of projection ramped up, so did the emotional response, peaking at 72 fps. After that speed, no further improvements were noted.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)That many frames on film would have been rediculous to have. As it was a standard hour and half film weighed 20-30 pounds in 35 mm, and a 70mm film weighed 200-300 pounds.
You would have had to have mr universe run films that ran an hour and a half with a 60 frames per second rate.
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Would have been 500-700 pounds. Ouch, just think of the cost of making and shipping all those prints. No wonder Showscan never took off.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)Now that I think a little more, it could have been 50-60 pounds per print, so a 70mm 500 pounds.
Yea, shipping really hurts, going digital means more profits for the studios.
derby378
(30,252 posts)That's what Christopher Lee stated in one of the first films of the series.
Bolo Boffin
(23,796 posts)Well, I'm sure you could. I'm thinking take the 24 fps most are at, and digitally build the other 36 frames. Well, better to build 48 new frames and make it two between each original frame, putting it at 72 fps. It could be as easy as just repeating each frame twice. With computers you could make transitional frames between the two originals as if you were fading one in and one out. Or try wipes, anything.
Anyway, it's possible. I wonder what the effect would look like.
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)I am not surprised, I honestly thought film was all but gone already, except for low budget films.
I usually wait for movies to go to DVD before I watch them, I seldom go to a movie, and when I do it is at a digital theatre but there are some older ones in my area which haven't converted to digital. I guess they are screwed.
TheManInTheMac
(985 posts)For around 10 grand you can get pretty respectable equipment. Digital has been a real boon to independent movie makers.
This is a little sad, I guess, like the switch from vinyl to CD's, but inevitable.
I do recall hearing that Quentin Tarantino will stop making movies when he has to give up film, so there's one good thing to it.
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)can't afford to convert.
For my area where there 6 big multiplex theaters, all Rave with no less than 16 screens, which are digital. There are also some of the old theaters which are still film, these are the ones which existed before Rave took over the area, they play a lot of independent movies which otherwise wouldn't make it to my area, they also will play a movie after it leaves the big theaters and you can take the family and not pay a mint to do so.
In my sister's area there is only one theatre, it they can't convert I guess it will have to close.
Logical
(22,457 posts)TheManInTheMac
(985 posts)I like Tarantino. I agree with you 100%
Logical
(22,457 posts)Archae
(46,327 posts)In the late 1920's, something called "sound" came along.
In the 1930's, color.
And so on...
TheManInTheMac
(985 posts)that Fritz Lang made his first talkie because he felt that sound detracted from the visual impact. Maybe he was right; a silent movie just won best picture.
derby378
(30,252 posts)I have a version on Blu-Ray that's 95% complete thanks to that 16mm print found in the film archives of Buenos Aires.
PCIntern
(25,544 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)Imagine how many of those extra frames can be used to flash "SEX" on the screen during movies! Why, people will be going at it like rabid weasels right there in the theater WELL before the final credits, causing popcorn sales to drop and increasing cleanup costs after the feature!
On the other hand, those extra frames could also be used to flash "REPUBLICANS WANT TO KILL YOU" and "DEMOCRATS ARE YOUR ONLY FRIENDS", so it might turn out to be a wash, afterall.
Wilson Bryan Key would have a field day with the possibilities.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)Now, that's a name I have not heard in a long time. A long time.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)that is 4.5 million dollars.
Digital is the future!
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Folks aren't happy with that quality.
Logical
(22,457 posts)HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)The "mega" popcorn tub is $4 and has unlimited refills. It's enough for all five of us as it is. The theater is never even close to filled, but five people getting tickets and popcorn for under $20 is unheard of in the chain cinemas. I suppose that will be the final nail in the coffin for that theater. It also sounds like a death sentence for the few drive-ins that are still operating.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)some advantages of digital...
Yesterday I shot over 1000 shots, some in Black and White, most in color.
I could not afford to do that with film, no way, no how, nor switch from color to black and white and back on the fly
I even shot one short movie. Again, all in one camera.
There is no way I could have done that with my old rig. It was just a matter of time. Also processors are to the point that movies do not have to worry about large format film... they just need to have glass and processors and software that can do the heavy lifting, which they already pretty much do.
If you are getting into film... invest in a good digital camera and plenty of FAST sim cards.