Justice for Tasered 8-Months-Pregnant Woman!

[L. Coyote]

Last edited Sun Jun 10, 2012, 10:33 AM - Edit history (1)

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Police in Chicago used a Taser on an African-American woman who is 8-months-pregnant because she parked in a handicapped parking space.

Tiffany Rent parked there because she was trying to calm down her 3-year-old daughter. She tried to explain what happened but they wouldn’t listen, and gave her a ticket for $200.

The police, who had blocked her in, started insulting her — one told her to call Jesse Jackson ............

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/tiffany-rent-pregnant-chi_n_1574402.html
Tiffany Rent, Pregnant Chicago Woman, Tasered By Police During Parking Dispute
Posted: 06/06/2012

The family of a pregnant woman who was reportedly Tasered by police Tuesday says they plan to file complaints against the officers who arrested her.

Tiffany Rent, 30, was approached by Chicago Police in the parking lot of a Walgreen's in Roseland late Tuesday night, who ticketed her for parking in a handicapped space, according to WGN. The police report says that Rent tore up the ticket and threw it at the officer, and in the ensuing altercation between police, Rent and her boyfriend Joseph Hobbs, a Taser was discharged. .....

[tomkoop]

1. power in the wrong hands!!

that's all I can say.

[pipoman]

2. Here is a link to the actual story

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/06/tiffany-rent-pregnant-chi_n_1574402.html

[L. Coyote]

3. Thanks, OP edited.

[NCcoast]

4. I believe we need to take tasers away from police officers

They abuse them with frightening regularity. They use them instead of using their heads to control a situation. I've seen plenty of footage where the person being arrested is simply protesting the situation, not being violent, and they're tased. It's becoming more common and more acceptable and it needs to stop.

[BlueCaliDem]

8. Some police officers don't believe in freedom of speech. They let their tasers speak for them

and that's a sad, sad state of our country's affairs.

Can you wrap your head around this truth: we, the taxpayer not the tax evaders like the rich, are actually paying for this type of brutality to be freely perpetrated on us? It's mind-boggling, frightening, and infuriating, and it doesn't serve the image of those who swore to protect and serve their communities, either.

[radhika]

12. We need to take some police officers away from their jobs....n/t

[PatSeg]

27. There have been 500 deaths caused by

police use of Taser guns in the past decade, according to Amnesty International.

If we can't trust police officers with tasers, can we trust them to use any weapon or deterrent safely? There is something seriously wrong with the way we train police, if they repeatedly use taser guns excessively, carelessly, and dangerously. Taser guns could have been a valuable, life-saving tool for competent police officers, so maybe we need to "take away" some of the police officers from the tasers.

The stories don't stop - the elderly, handicapped, injured, children, and pregnant women, yet I've read no stories about how police departments are dealing with this serious issue.

[Dena4r]

5. Spam deleted by Morning Dew (MIR Team)

[AnotherMcIntosh]

6. If you are saying that she received justice, your headline doesn't match your story.

[L. Coyote]

22. Go to the link

[AnotherMcIntosh]

25. The link doesn't change anything.

The story was first reported on DU last Wednesday:
Kids watch cops Tase 8-month pregnant mom re parking dispute; MSM says no harm was caused to fetus
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002775454

See, e.g., one paragraph from that story four days ago:

While her 9-year-old son and 3-year-old daughter were in the back seat of her vehicle, and reportedly crying according to the mother's sister, the police stopped a dispute over a parking ticket issued to the mother for parking in a handicap zone by zapping her.

Today is Sunday. Today's headline for the previous reported story, "Justice for Tasered 8-Months-Pregnant Woman!", can be viewed as indicating that the pregnant woman who was tased received justice. She didn't.

[gopiscrap]

7. What the hell is wrong with our police today

the vast majority of them are on roid rage, an authority kick and geneally are narrow minded pricks

[BlueCaliDem]

9. Add to that, they're registered Republicans to boot.

Well, most of them are.

[kestrel91316]

28. Yep, but they sure do love their police UNIONS.

[jwirr]

10. IMO tasers should be taken away from the police altogether. They have not shown they are

responsible enough to have them. All we ever hear is about how they misuse them.

[4th law of robotics]

11. Might be a bit of bias in reporting there

The headline "Police use tazer appropriately to subdue violent criminal" doesn't really grab anyone's attention.

Just like we never hear about Priests who *don't* molest kids. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

[jwirr]

13. You are of course correct about what we hear. Maybe just the threat if used wrong would help.

[4th law of robotics]

14. Do you mean the threat of using a tazer?

Threatening to use something has a downside too. Because at some point someone is going to call that bluff.

[jwirr]

16. No I meant that if they get caught using it wrongfully they loose their use of a tazer forever. It

would warn others to be more careful in the use in the future.

[L. Coyote]

23. And if you wrongfully kill someone, take away your gun, right?

No, they should lose their jobs if they can't do their jobs, not just their toys.

[4th law of robotics]

24. Ah, gotcha

I suppose that might work.

Although it seems like if they can't be trusted with a tazer they can't be trusted with a gun either.

[Meiko]

15. Of course her

belligerent and disrespectful behavior toward the police should be totally overlooked, right. There is a right and wrong way to deal with police.

[frylock]

17. and i'm sure these asshole racist cops did everything they could to diffuse the situation..

up to and including advising her to "call jesse jackson."

fuck tha police, and fuck any authoritarian enabler that would rationalize this kind of behavior from our public servants.

[4th law of robotics]

26. One cop was white, one was black

it's not clear who fired the tazer.

http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-cops-taser-pregnant-woman-after-refusing-to-move-from-handicap-spot-20120606,0,2384785.story

[AnotherMcIntosh]

30. The short WGN story has multiple contradictions.

According to the story,
1. She either has a husband or a fiancé.
2. She either has a car or a SUV
3. She either was tased or she is merely claiming that she was tased.

[4th law of robotics]

45. They got the only facts they cared about

that is: putting "pregnant" and "cops" and "tazer" in the same headline.

[vaberella]

33. Cops, be them Black or White are brothers against humanity.

Plenty of Black officers harass Black people on a regular basis. Although in Harlem, I have never seen one Black officer in my 15 years here or the other 15 years living in Inwood.

[Meiko]

36. I don't know if they were racists or not

You can't always tell. All I was saying is that you need to maintain your cool when dealing with cops. They basically hold all the cards during a police stop. Ranting and raving, tearing up the ticket and throwing it at the cop, swearing at them and basically acting a fool is not the best decision the lady could have made. It never does any good to argue with the cops during a traffic stop, it just makes them angry. I know it's hard to swallow but the best thing to do is "yes sir, no sir" sign the ticket and be on your way.

Should the women have been tasered? I don't think so. It seems pretty harsh behavior over a traffic ticket especially on a pregnant woman. She still bears some responsibility for her actions, you have to be civil when dealing with others.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

39. In contrast to your claim that she was "Ranting and raving," her request to have the video examined

should be complied with so that an impartial determination could be made according to the facts.

[NOLALady]

18. And lets not forget,

there is a right and a wrong way to deal with a pregnant woman.

Do you think the pregnant woman was tasered because she was a threat, or because she was uppity?

Do you believe the belligerent and disrespectful behavior of the police towards the family should be overlooked?

[laundry_queen]

19. What a ridiculous assertion.

I don't give a shit if you are calling the cops names and freaking out (rightly in this case), tasers should only be used as a VERY last resort.

My SIL is a cop and her force doesn't really give out tasers except for a very few officers. The normal street cops don't get them. I'm not even sure what the criteria is, but SIL has been on the force for a long time and has been promoted several times and she doesn't carry one. And you know what? They still manage to arrest belligerent people without tasering them. It's lazy, hateful cops in poorly managed forces that use them regularly. I don't know how things are in the US but here when a cop draws (just draws, not shoots) their gun, they have a huge write up they have to go through to justify the use of such force. Should be the same for tasers.

[LiberalFighter]

20. They did it for many years without tazing or killing citizens.

They probably are too stupid to figure out what the policy should be when using a tazer because they figure it doesn't kill.

It sounds like your police force is using better judgement then what we see in the news.

[kestrel91316]

29. So you support use of tazers to punish uppity, smart-mouthed women

in general? Or just uppity, smart-mouthed pregnant women? Or perhaps only black women??

Even if you DO, where is her due process aka her day in court prior to punishment??

(crickets chirping)

[Meiko]

38. All she had to do

was keep her mouth shut sign the ticket and be on her way, she would have gotten her day in court like everyone else. The cops hold all the cards during a confrontation like this and that's a good thing to know. Tearing up tickets and throwing then at the cops,scuffling with police is always a bad idea. Why purposely escalate the situation.

Should she have tasered? doesn't seem like good idea. The cops used too much force but they are allowed to get away with it day after day. She still bears some responsibility for her actions.

[kestrel91316]

41. So, you believe that we have no free speech rights when

we are in the presence of teh holy police?

And I think we all know there WAS no scuffle. If she has scuffled with police, she and her fetus would be DEAD.

[mythology]

40. I hope you stretched properly before leaping to such conclusions

It is possible to point out that this woman made some suboptimal choices without being racist. But the fact that you immediately leap to that conclusion does say a lot about you.

[kestrel91316]

42. Yeah. It says I have been around the block a few times and

have seen more than a little racism and inappropriate conduct on the part of too many police. And I'm a white professional businesswoman.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

32. She was too uppity?

[vaberella]

35. Obviously the poster is a troll. The usage reminds of the anti-Obama freepers. n/t

[vaberella]

34. She's an 8 month pregnant woman. Hell yes it should be overlooked because that could kill the kid.

Are you fuckin' out of your damned mind? For real. Rational thinking will tell you that she would be put into force labor and it puts her kid at risk.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

37. Electrocutions also cause scar tissue. For a fetus, the amount of scar tissue would be

disproportionately greater than the scar tissue created by the electrocution of an adult.

Organ scar tissues are not beneficial to fetuses, children, or adults.

Organ scar tissues are also not harmless.

[vaberella]

46. Are you being intentionally obtuse?

I'm talking about abdominal trauma from the electrical shock that the mother experienced which could affect the fetus. Not to mention just the stress of the situation as a whole can affect the unborn child and lead to early labor, so I don't know what you're on about scar tissue. Even at 8 months that is a direct risk to the child. What the hell does scar tissue have to do with anything?!

[AnotherMcIntosh]

48. How can you interpret the posts as being mutually exclusive. If you are talking about

early labor, that is one harm. But the recognition of that harm does not go far enough. You are overlooking the fact that the Taser electrocutions cause more harm than what is being reported by the MSM, namely scar tissue to internal organs. When a fetus is developing, most of the mass consists of internal organs.

Doctors who treat patients who have suffered electrical shock know that electrical shocks cause scar tissue.

Do you need to see this reported by the MSM in order to recognize the additional harm to the fetus?

Is it your position that you will not consider the additional harm caused to a fetus by a Taser electrocution unless such harm is made widely known by the MSM?

[vaberella]

49. However you were looking at one aspect and dismissing it.

I was never looking at that particular part of the discussion and by the mere fact that you are focusing entirely on scar tissue and ignoring trauma; I can see that you obviously see that my point is relevant hence the reason you are so quick to dismiss.

And why bring up MSM. What the fuck does the media have to do with anything being discussed here in context to the pregnant woman being tasered. Trauma is not something that is easily apparent immediately and can happen a day or two days later. A pregnant woman in Chicago did lose her baby after being tasered.

The scar tissue issue is something different from emotional trauma that can lead to miscarriages. Although it could be an aspect of abdominal trauma which could have affects on the fetus. I know for a fact fetus' are sensitive since my mother lost my older brother due to trauma and she was in her 5-6th month.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

50. I assumed that you adequately covered your point and I was not dismissing it. I was adding

to it.

The purpose for bringing up the MSM is that some people, who apparently do not focus upon the resulting scar tissue and do not recognize it as a harm, need to get their information from somewhere and apparently are willing to limit themselves as to their sources of information. When someone takes the position that Taser-related scar tissue caused to a fetus is unimportant or not related to the Taser shock caused to a mother, I know that their sources of information is limited. As is their willingness to consider additional information.

Since you adequately covered your point, why would you need someone to echo your point in order to avoid coming back with an insult and claiming that you are a victim of someone who purportedly dismissed the point that you were making?

You don't have to answer. Just consider it a rhetorical question.

[Logical]

44. LOL, disrespectful? So if I am disrespectful to you you can assault me?

[LiberalFighter]

21. They really need to taze the hell out of the manufacturers of the product.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

31. Absolutely right. But they are probably in China.

[Honeycombe8]

43. How did this get in the news? Is there a monetary reason for that?

Methinks she'll end up rich by the time this is over.

[vaberella]

47. Well the thing is. Apparently in Chicago the police tazed another pregnant woman.

She was 3 months at the time and lost the baby. So this is a serious situation. This is showing that the cops are taking advantage of the tasers they are given.