Americablog: Let’s treat men buying guns like women who get abortions

[RandySF]

This is a wonderful meme going around, author unknown, about what it would be like for men buying guns if we treated guns like abortion:

What’s particularly brilliant about this is both guns and abortion are constitutional rights. So if you can limit abortion to this degree, why not limit guns to the same?

“How about we treat every young man who wants to buy a gun like every woman who wants to get an abortion — mandatory 48-hour waiting period, parental permission, a note from his doctor proving he understand what he’s about to do, a video he has to watch about the effects of gun violence, and an ultrasound wand up the ass (just because). Let’s close down all but one gun shop in every state and make him travel hundreds of miles, take time off work, and stay overnight in a strange town to get a gun. Make him walk through a gauntlet of people holding photos of loved ones who were shot to death, people who call him a murderer and beg him not to buy a gun.”

http://americablog.com/2016/06/if-abortion-were-a-gun.html

[Straw Man]

1. A wonderful meme?

What's brilliant about citing one denial of rights as a justification for another?

[Major Nikon]

3. You should learn to read between the lines

There's volumes of information you're missing out on.

[Straw Man]

5. What, you don't have a cartoon for that?

You should learn to read between the lines

There's volumes of information you're missing out on.

No, Major, I think I've got it. Women shouldn't have to endure these terrible things in order to exercise a right. Wouldn't it be poetic justice if men had to endure something similar in order to buy a gun? Because male hegemony, because Republicans, etc.

But it isn't only men who buy guns. And it isn't only Republicans. So the meme isn't really about liberation and empowerment, as you seem to think it is. It's about doubling down on injustice.

Stick to the GIFs.

[Major Nikon]

11. Aww, you has a sad...

I was already pretty sure you didn't get it, and now I'm certain of it. Has nothing to do with "poetic justice" and everything to do with hypocrisy. The fact this has to be explained to you proves my point.

http://new4.fjcdn.com/pictures/Want+some+cheese+with+that+whine+this+is+where+the_1dd6c1_3178424.jpg

[Straw Man]

19. Try thinking outside the meme box, Major.

I was already pretty sure you didn't get it, and now I'm certain of it. Has nothing to do with "poetic justice" and everything to do with hypocrisy. The fact this has to be explained to you proves my point.

They're one and the same, Major. Surely you can see that. In case you're having trouble, I'll explain it again.

The meme names one injustice and suggests a parallel one. "Poetic justice" would mean equal treatment for both constituencies and their Constitutional rights. Infringing on rights in one case while demanding rights in the other is hypocrisy.

So what would the proponents of this meme like to see? More restrictions on guns, or fewer restrictions on abortion? Surely they can't want more restrictions on guns AND fewer restrictions on abortion. Because that would be ... hypocrisy.

Capisci?

[Cassiopeia]

20. Perfect user name.

[Straw Man]

21. Please explain why you think so.

[Major Nikon]

27. ...

[anigbrowl]

28. You don't really get this whole satire concept, do you?

It's an imperfect analogy, but I'm sure Swift's recipes for roasting babies weren't kitchen-tested either.

[Straw Man]

30. Here's the thing ...

Swift was arguing against the economic enslavement and exploitation of the Irish. His metaphor was perfectly apt. Hyperbolic, but apt.

This meme tries to argue against Republican and fundie inconsistency on Constitutional rights, but it trips over itself when you try to apply its point. The point is that they are hypocrites -- OK, fine, but then what? Following the logic of the meme, a Democrat who argues for gun control and simultaneously argues for better access to abortion is also a hypocrite.

It is presented as a pro-gun-control argument. Either it isn't really, or it's an endorsement of hypocrisy: "Our hypocrisy is better than their hypocrisy!"

Frankly, it's a mess.

[jmg257]

2. What about women buying guns? What treatment should they get?

[babylonsister]

4. The same. nt

[jmg257]

6. Cool - they should change the meme, make it more about guns and less about gender bias. nt

[athena]

15. The point is that something being constitutional doesn't mean

you can't place legal regulations on it.

[former9thward]

17. There are no legal restrictions on abortion.

Sorry you didn't know that. So according to you there should be no restrictions on buying a gun. Felons and the mentally ill can get abortions. So, according to you they should be able to get a gun.

[athena]

18. Really?

Why are women being forced to wait 1-6 days? Why are they being forced to hear prepared anti-abortion scripts delivered by their physician? Why are abortion clinics being held to the same arbitrary standards as hospitals? Are those not restrictions?

You really should see this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_abortion_restrictions_in_the_United_States

[former9thward]

32. Really

A woman can get an abortion for any reason at any time in the U.S. Yes some states have passed laws which harass the process but that is all they do, they don't stop it. And many of those laws have been overruled by courts. So again, the NRA would love gun purchases to be on par with abortion availability.

[Cassiopeia]

29. Really?

"There are no legal restrictions on abortion."

Really?

Whatever sources you use for news, laws, and social constructs.... Turn It Off.

You just don't get it. Sadly it is unlikely you ever will.

[former9thward]

33. Really

A woman can get an abortion for any reason at any time in the U.S. Yes some states have passed laws which harass the process but that is all they do, they don't stop it. And many of those laws have been overruled by courts. So again, the NRA would love gun purchases to be on par with abortion availability.

[sarisataka]

7. Better idea:

treat women getting abortions like men buying guns (less the background check)

[Just reading posts]

8. How about we respect both the right of women to do as they wish with their bodies and the right of

both sexes to keep and bear arms?

[Straw Man]

9. But, but ...

... you're ruining the meme!

[Just reading posts]

12. Then my work here is done.

[athena]

22. Do you also believe

we should all have the right to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater?

Why is it that the 2nd amendment is the only right that can't have any restrictions whatsoever placed on it?

[Just reading posts]

24. If there's a fire in the theater, sure. If there's not, I'm committing a crime.

Likewise, I have the right to own an AR-15 as long as I don't endanger anyone with it other than in self-defense or in the defense of an innocent life.

Why is it that the 2nd amendment is the only right that can't have any restrictions whatsoever placed on it?

No restrictions whatsoever? Really?

So there are gun shops where without filling out any paperwork I can buy a machine gun, hand grenade, antitank missile, surface to air missile, etc., just by maxing out my credit card?

Wow. I have been going to the wrong gun stores.

What's that? I can't do that?

Hm. It appears there are some restrictions placed on the 2nd Amendment, are there not?

[Straw Man]

25. Only ...

Do you also believe

we should all have the right to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater?

... if there actually is a fire. Or if you're in a play and that's your line. And then only if the audience knows there isn't really a fire.

Why is it that the 2nd amendment is the only right that can't have any restrictions whatsoever placed on it?

What makes you think there are no restrictions on the Second Amendment? There are quite a few. A little summer reading ...

https://www.atf.gov/file/11241/download

When you're done with that, you can look up your state's regs.

[JonathanRackham]

10. Sexist, women buy guns.

My wife, daughter and sister in law are pro-choice.

[Major Nikon]

13. There's also no shortage of women forced-birthers

[athena]

14. And not all women have abortions.

Most of us don't need one.

What's your point again?

[JonathanRackham]

16. ....

[Just reading posts]

26. That's why it's called choice. And it applies to both abortions and the right to keep and bear arms.

[Stinky The Clown]

23. Good lord but there is some white hot burning stupid here.

[Freddie]

31. The concept of satire/sarcasm

Seems lost to some folk
I think the meme is dead-on and would be hilarious if not so true

[Blue_Tires]

34. Now in toon form!

https://twitter.com/viciousbabushka/status/773863179159953410