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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOK, time to post again the 14 defining characteristics of fascism.
Here they are:
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Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
From Liberty Forum
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Sounds familiar? No need to discuss each point as they happen, it's all in there, the same problem, the rise of fascism.
I do believe that if Obama were to wake up and listen to his own speeches from 2008, commit to peace and stop all this compromising with fascists, he might be able to stem the tide, by exposing it, and presenting policies that the media would have to report, and that are not in the fascist line. But he hasn't done it so far, and President Romney would be the final piece in the puzzle.
Otherwise, all fascist regimes eventually lose, as they destroy the very foundation upon which they live, but it might take quite a while.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)While I appreciate your post, I disagree re "if Obama were to wake up ..." I think that President Obama is fully awake.
judy
(1,942 posts)But if he is, why does he cater to American exceptionalism, giving it all to the military, cultivating enemies, not respecting the most basic of human rights, etc. why does he continue GWB's policies?
I firmly believe, that if he changed, and made his actions follow the words of his speeches from 2008, he would be re-elected without problem, Citizens United or not.
Otherwise, I don't see how he can galvanize the troops to beat the Power of Money.
CanonRay
(14,101 posts)Sieg Heil!
Cal33
(7,018 posts)the right-wing propaganda who need to read this -- and they are exactly the ones who
rarely get to hear any of this.
Do I have your permission to spread your message around? Thanks.
judy
(1,942 posts)But that of Dr. Lawrence Britt, you might just need to mention him...the 14 points are all over the web, so I am sure it is OK to spread them...
Here is a YouTube video with Mike Malloy reading the points;
There is no doubt that this is what is going on. I never thought the pendulum of fascism would come back the other way in my lifetime.
Good luck with those who have fallen, though...their eyes are closed, and they reserve the comparison to Hitler for Obama himself, which is another proof of the depths of their ignorance.
It's here. Pretty much.
siligut
(12,272 posts)The fascists certainly aren't creative enough to follow a different route.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)The pendulum always swings, it just swings much faster to the right and stops short of its full leftward arc. Must be the giant bag of money tied to the pivot.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)In the May 21, 2012, issue of "The Nation" mag.
byeya
(2,842 posts)correct much more often than he errs and he takes up topics even other progressive writers don't.
He's a little like Uncle Whiskers: He makes his share of mistakes but he gets it right when it counts.
(That is an excellent article.)
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)quietly saying over and over quietly "it's not fascism, it's not fascism".
Mustellus
(328 posts)We already have a "christian" religion that has crossed over the edge, and is preaching mass murder as the path to salvation.
Because the Left Behind series are now the last 7 books of the Bible.
And if we kill all the Islams, then Jebus will Rapture us into heaven and we won't have to die !!!
Just as Martin Luther's anti-semitism was used by the Nazi's to justify their Holocaust, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism , the Baptist church, in its drive to force Jesus back at gunpoint, if necessary, is hoping for the biggest mass murder in human history.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)It's only the rapture christians who think the world has to die for them to be 'saved', but there are tens of millions of them and they want it bad.
liberalnationalist
(170 posts)exactly like the platform of the republican party
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)comprehensive.
I'm thinking specifically of a missing 15th characteristic which is the consolidation of the one-party state. With that 15th element, there are at least a few reasons why the United States is not fascist. Specifically, we still have a (at least nominal) two-party state. Our elections for the most part are not fraudulent. And the Secretary of State is female.
A possible 16th element might be the creation of ersatz 'mass movements' (like the fascisti in Mussolini's Italy or the brownshirts in pre-1933 Germany). The Tea Party shows signs of going in that direction but I don't think it's quite there yet. Not to say it won't get there at some point, but that it remains a 'potential' for now.
Are there fascists among the Republican Party? Sure. Is the Republican Party 'fascist'? Not yet, although it's a lot closer than it was in the 60s and 70s. Is the USA 'fascist'? Not even close.
In order for Walker to have won his recall, there had to be a 'recall' election first. Such an election would simply be unthinkable in a fascist regime.
K&R for the educational and discussion value of the OP, though!
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)14 defining characteristics of fascism, those are the 14 defining characteristics of Republicans, oh wait. There the same.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)but maybe he's just Idi Amin
mathematic
(1,439 posts)I know in the DU bubble it's popular to declare the US a fascist state but since we only satisfy at most 1 or 2 of the 14 conditions it's clear the US is not fascist. This should be a useful educational tool for those that think we're one step away from extermination camps.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)Which ones?
mathematic
(1,439 posts)The one condition that we best meet is the first one, "Powerful and Continuing Nationalism". While we don't have government mandated flag waving on TV or giant pictures of our President on billboards (outside of election season, of course!), it's still safe to say the people really do seem to love the United States. Go figure.
The iffy second condition is "Corporate Power is Protected". If it's on the list solely to distinguish right-authoritarianism from left-authoritarianism then any nation that protects private property rights and has a free market capitalist system (which, for reference, includes all european nations) satisfies this condition. If this condition means that corporations control and dictate government policy then, no, we do not satisfy this condition.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Stop watching Fox "News" all day. It is almost impossible to distinguish our formerly democratic government from the corporations. Have you completely missed ALEC? The 30,000 blood suckers who make their extravagant livings as "lobbyists". Who do you think is preventing the discussion of single payer health care, when more than 70% of the citizenry want it?
Enjoy your brief stay
mathematic
(1,439 posts)As for the troll accusation: stuff it bro. The US isn't a fascist country.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)daaron
(763 posts)He have had a "mixed economy" since the Great Depression. Most of Europe operates under some form of weak socialism. There are no free market capitalist industrialized nations, as any college Macroeconomics textbook will in short order inform.
mathematic
(1,439 posts)The guy upthread assumes I watch fox news when I don't have a TV, much less cable. You assume I've never read a macro textbook when I have D. Romer's Advanced Macroeconomics within arms reach of my computer. Which, incidentally, does not say that there are no free market capitalist industrialized nations.
While you may prefer to eject "capitalist" from the language in favor of "mixed economy", this isn't an entirely useful exercise. As for "free market"... my macro text is 90% models of individual or firm behavior that rely on a free market or of models agnostic to the issue (eg growth models). The chapter on government deficits is an exception.
You know what's really frustrating? Dealing with libertarian purists with an internet message board knowledge of economics (or worse, an ideological intro undergrad text level knowledge) that insist that taxes, regulation, and government spending means we don't have a free market and we're not capitalist* (yes, I know, "mixed economy" but what the heck is the point of the term if it doesn't actually refer to anything that is or ever was.)
daaron
(763 posts)Or you assuming I'm a libertarian purist!
How entertaining is thisn't?
Call it what you want, but free market capitalism is a misleading and inaccurate term, and applying it to Europe is intellectually dishonest. Whipping one's degree out never helps in an internet argument never helps. I refer you to Rule #16 of the Internet: "There are NO girls on the internet." The person claiming to be a "girl" (in this case, resorting to a degree for authority) must "prove it."
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)since Bush got into office and the RW capitalized on 9/11.
mathematic
(1,439 posts)They have me chained up for posting subversive political opinions on the internet.
I know, I know. First they came for the alleged violent political terrorists...
Creideiki
(2,567 posts)at a time. If, and only if, you've got a very small viewing window that only shows 1 or 2 of the criteria at a time.
Look at what happened to Chris Hayes for challenging the term "hero" for everyone who serves in the military--as a veteran, I can assure that not everyone is a "hero". Then we can add the glorification of the military.
Do we really have to dissect the rest of these for you?
frazzled
(18,402 posts)His "doctor" moniker doesn't seem to make him a professor of anything. Can't find him anywhere on the Internet except for this repeated post, which appears, not surprisingly, on the conspiracy site rense.com; in another place he (Laurence with a "U" has written a novel.
Why are we even discussing this?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)So why not tell us what you find controversial about his 14 points?
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)In the real June 2004, he achieved some level of fame with an op-ed published in the humanist magazine Free Inquiry. This op-ed was forwarded around from inbox to inbox, and readers eventually began putting a "Dr." in front of his name and referring to him as a political scientist who had compiled the fascism inventory independently of the Bush administration. He had not done so, and had never claimed to do so. The article was, and had always been intended to be, an argument against the Bush administration.
.......
Or we could look at item 5, "Rampant sexism," and point out that it has not been very long that women could serve in the military, that we had never had a female governor (much less a viable female presidential candidate), that we had never had a female attorney general or female secretary of state, that birth control was illegal in many states, and on and on. We could look at item 8, "Religion and the ruling elite tied together," and point out that until four decades ago, the Lord's Prayer and Bible classes were part of our public school system. We could look at item 13, "Rampant cronyism and corruption," and remember the Savings and Loan scandal, Iran-Contra, and Watergate.
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/2007/09/10/one-nation-underrated.htm
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)a figment of our collective imagination? I know, I know, all these laws passed in the states to roll back 50 years of reproductive rights are just our collective nervousness, and states that have seen the rise of a fascist state never, ever, saw sexism.
Moreover, he is NOT the first one to speak of this... in any way, shape or form.
I remember this in my Graduate level classes, oh back in the 1980s, when studying the Nazi regime, as well as Italy's regime, as well as the poli sci comparative government class.
I guess those people with actual PhDs were also dreaming...
If you want to fix on credentials fine. Go read a few history and poli sci journals. This comes up regularly.
Of course it also comes under the rubric of totalitarianism, but that is another story.
Phew, it is good to know that we all have imagined this.
Thanks, what a relief.
I now know all this is a figment of our collective imagination.
Free clue, serving in the armed forces IS NOT the only indicator of female equality, but I am positive you knew this,
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)I can name at least one example of each of these 14 traits from what the GOP does.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)These are not really defining traits of fascism. They are universal traits of a modern authoritarian state, and will be found in any such state independent of ostensible ideology.
Take Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia and any Muslim Theocracy and we'll find that the methods and practices are pretty much the same despite the vast differences in ostensible ideology.
This is just how a totalitarian authoritarian state works. (Pharaoh's Egypt was probably much the same.)
Liberalism's historical charm is that it was anti-authoritarian categorically, and was able to condemn both the French Monarchy and the French Revolution.
(The reason the focus on "fascism" as if it were synonymous with authoritarian makes me uncomfortable in this context is that we are still a long way from completely getting over the right vs. left idea that there was a good guy and a bad guy on Germany versus Russia. It's a distorting idea.)
In his history of Europe (called EUROPE) Norman Davies spends a chapter running through a similar list of 17 points, expanded from from Arthur M. Hill's famous 15 points, that I find more interesting than this Lawrence Britt list. (Including the charming bullet point "Gangsterism," in the movement causing disorder and then selling themselves as protection from themselves.)
judy
(1,942 posts)And here is a quote by Mr. Anesi:
Fascism is a form of political and social behavior that arises when the middle class, finding its hopes frustrated by economic instability coupled with political polarization and deadlock, abandons traditional ideologies and turns, with the approbation of police and military forces, to a poorly-defined but emotionally appealing soteriology of national unity, immediate and direct resolution of problems, and intolerance for dissent. (Chuck Anesi, 2008)
As for the word itself, it was used by Mussolini to represent unity at all costs, using the symbol of "fasces" a roman emblem with an axe bound in a bundle of rods. The French had a similar emblem during the "reign" of Marechal Petain, the hero of the First World War...So it became a symbol not of authoritarian rule (though it can include it as well as in the case of Mussolini or Franco) but of what Mr. Anesi is saying above.
I don't know who said that there as a good guy and a bad guy in Russia vs. Germany, but it certainly wasn't me. Stalin, one of the most violent dictators in history certainly applied the principles of fascism, except that in a communist regime, it is party cronyism and not multinational corporations that dictate policy (since the means of production are not private but "belong to the people" .
The French Revolution was a bloody massacre, that ended up crowning an Emperor whose military hunger got most of the young men in France killed, as he pretended to conquer the World for France. The Russian Revolution gave them Stalin, the Man of Steel, a merciless despot and torturer...so where here is the value of violent Revolution? How does it differ from the ills of Monarchy?
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Do you have a link for that, please?
Ron Paul has a "Liberty Forum." Is that where this came from? If not, please post a link, because, well, Fuck Ron Paul!
On Edit: Sure enough, there is the same post over on the Daily Paul.
http://www.dailypaul.com/237620/14-defining-characteristics-of-fascism
No, thanks, very much. Fuck Ron Paul!
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)under that name. This has been bandied about in the Libertarian world for a very long time.
It's all over the internet, but there's no information on the author.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Igel
(35,306 posts)Of course, they flub the "religion" one. Then again, by comparison with the one really fascist state our religion is weak.
The corporation tie-in is more subtle. In the USSR the heads of corporations *were* the party bosses. In China, government officials and corporate heads merely influence each other a lot and it's hard to see which is "in charge." As the "religion" bullet point it's hard to apply directly.
If the US is fascist, think about what #14 is saying. That the Republicans--they're the opposition--are going to be the target of of manipulated smear campaigns.
The cronyism isn't rampant. Not by a long shot. It's more than it was in the US. But nothing like it was in the USSR, in China, even in Hitler's Germany. Perspective.
Free expression was banned for intellectuals and the arts. Seriously, you need some perspective. Similarity of sound, the applicability of a word in some sense doesn't mean identity of referent. My advisor was tenured at a large university. Because of a change in politics, his choice was to be tried or be exiled without a trial. He was an internal exile for 20 years. And he totally dropped and renounced his former research. It took 20 years to be forgiven, to build another scholarly reputation and be allowed to move back to his home town. He was lucky: He was allowed to continue to be a professor, to continue to work. A number of his colleagues weren't so lucky, and nobody ever knew who informed on them. He was never allowed to travel abroad. His father had been a writer: His father had the choice of writing the stories he was told to write, be a reporter as he was told, or be unemployed. He found a third choice: He drank himself to death.
If the US were fascist, Zinn would find himself in a black vehicle 3 a.m. tonight. The media wouldn't report it because it would never have happened. In a few weeks his colleagues would denounce him as anti-American, and either he would vanish or we'd read a note in which he confessed to being deluded and mistaken and accepted his retirement--anything to be able to serve his country and show loyalty to the Administration. At his own request, his writings would vanish from libraries and if you were found to have a copy it would possibly vanish from your bookshelf.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Back in the 1960s, we were much freer.
The internet has made surveillance the rule. It was never like that here..
We used to have real freedom to travel. We learned in school that our freedom to travel was one of the things that differentiated the US from countries like the USSR.
So, we are not as far along as the USSR or East Germany or China or NAZI Germany were/are, but we are on that slippery slope.
AJTheMan
(288 posts)Phhhtttt
(70 posts)Don't forget to proudly display your flag.
It is just a matter of time before we will be required to sign a loyalty oath.Man this country sucks.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)Planning on hanging around a while?
So what's your problem with Flag Day? How is being encouraged to display the flag one day a year comparable to being compelled to do so daily?
Phhhtttt
(70 posts)It represents oppression to me.This country has not been good to me.If I could emigrate I would.
You can sign the loyality oath,Doctor,when it comes time to do so,not me.
Amerika Sucks!
NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)DU is a helpful place, and I'm sure everyone will pitch in. Do let us know which country you've chosen as your destination. DUers will gladly help you with details, I'm sure.
You can't stand the flag? Well, you probably don't want to drive by my house on national holidays, flag day, or other days commemorating historical events that have to do with national interests.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)Life isn't fair. The country isn't fair. We're all oppressed in some way if we aren't in the top 1%, and many of us are working to change that.
Most of us took an oath to the flag in school, and my loyalty is to The Constitution because despite our current state of corruption, it is still one of the best roadmaps for civilization ever. Anyone who believes that people should be free and civilized can find great value in The Constitution.
But your story isn't actually genuine, is it?
Phhhtttt
(70 posts)has been since this countries inception.Money is what is worshipped in this country;always has.
Exploitation is what Amerika excels at so you can have all those choices when you go shopping.Civilized,LOL;we love our wars.
When we are young the owners of this country have us pledge allegiance to the flag and there the mind control begins.
Like I said;Amerika sucks
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)too lazy to leave, and unable to accept the circumstances.
You live in your own self-induced hell. Nothing anyone can do to save you from it.
Phhhtttt
(70 posts)You are one arrogant SOB.You must be a doctor.You are typical for that profession.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)You hate the country and everything it stands for, you've given up hope, yet you march in Occupy....
Sure buddy.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Cave_Johnson
(137 posts)1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Yup... not necessarily a bad thing.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Subjective. As someone who deals with these issues regularly, I can tell you that human rights are at the forefront of much of the policy I help put forward.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - Nope, America is neatly split on the majority of most "big" issues. Closest you saw was post 9/11 and it has quickly faded.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Not even close. Civilian leadership, extremely restrictive ROE, etc.. etc.. 3.8% of GDP for military, 38.9% on social programs as per wikipedia
5. Rampant Sexism - Sexism exists but isn't "rampant." I've seen it and this ain't it.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Subjective... unsure how to quantify this.
7. Obsession with National Security - How can we be obsessed with national security if most voters care about other issues, as indicated by recent polls. Right now it's the economy and I expect it to change again and again.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Some overlap but hardly intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected -Subjective but there are protections and restrictions.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Nope; just because it isn't the current dominant force doesn't mean it is suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - 1st amendment. I haven't seen reams stories of professors hauled to jail for an inflammatory editorial. Have you?
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Police power is discretionary in many circumstances but does have limits.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Probably got this one but so does every nation in the world. That is the nature of power.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Probably got this one too but I don't think anyone knows the scale and I'm confident it does happen on both sides of the aisle. Also found in virtually every nation in the world.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)See it all the time when wingnuts are trying to dismiss some malfeasance by Republicans by finding some obscure yet vaguely similar instance from 'the other side'.
You see, if you get rid of everyone but Republicans/Conservatives and then reference this list, you'll see that on every point Republicans are at least an order of magnitude more invested in every single one of these. Your attempt to gloss over that is pretty transparent.
I was going to go over why and how it is that Republicans uphold every one of these examples to a 'T', but I just dawned on me what a waste of time that would be.
Cave_Johnson
(137 posts)... that both sides do it but one does it worse?
Lovely...
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)Funny though, is that your best point of leverage here? If so, that's very sad.
Because it either means you really are trying for false parity, or that you actually believe 'both sides' are equally as bad.
So which is it?
And BTW, Welcome to DU. Try to be less transparent.
Cave_Johnson
(137 posts)My points were made in my original post.
I was merely trying to decipher your point, if there was one.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)That you did not actually comprehend?
Seriously, using obliviousness as an excuse does not get you far. Simply pretending something isn't there does not remove it from the page in front of you. You know.... that whole reality thing that the wingnuts are so well known for abhorring?
Cave_Johnson
(137 posts)Thank God for you and your amazing ability to clarify...
Have a lovely evening...
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)I suppose I shouldn't expect you to have the capacity to deal with such a daunting creature.
Good night.
The Doctor.
(17,266 posts)How about being an adult and responding in-thread?
You want to know what my question was? It was 'what about my point did you miss?'. If the way I phrased it was confusing to you, I'll simplify: "Republicans/Conservatives can be found to engage in, pursue, or otherwise exemplify every single point on that list while Liberals cannot be accused of more than three of them."
Do you disagree?
(That's another one of those 'question' thingies, but this time I made it a nice simple 'yes or no' one. I'm kind like that. )
Kingofalldems
(38,456 posts)Reason I'm asking is that they seem to like to come here and 'teach' us things.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)There has been a definite erosion of our rights as citizens, and an ongoing attack on women's rights. And maybe you think the Supreme Court selecting Bush as President is all fun and games Democracy too. And corporations are people? No, nothing fishy about that is there?
As for being obsessed with National Security, well it's all in the eye of the beholder isn't it?
I could go on but since it isn't a fait accompli then you can continue to rationalize how it just isn't happening.
Response to Cave_Johnson (Reply #43)
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sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)We got Bush twice as a result of fraudulent elections. The second one can be argued against I suppose, but there is zero doubt about the first one.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Most everyone assumes that the US will go on forever, and as the big dog on the block. I'm not sure why, paradigms shift over time.
I just read a sobering article in the June American Prospect, "The Hunger Games" by Jeff Faux, and he cuts through the day to day shiny object news cycle to look at the state of the US, long view.
A few rich righties, including many very far righties, are running the show now with their mega bucks thanks to the "Citizen's United" ruling.
The DNC democrats are throwing the left wing some bones in the social arena while selling us down the river economically with their other hand. Look here, don't look there.
Poll after poll shows that the will of the people is not being done. Rules are different for the ultra wealthy, schools are under assault with under funding and religious zealot nutcakes taking over school boards to force right wing curriculum, such as the earth being 5,000 years old.
Things may get back somewhere near where they should be but it's no sure thing and even if we do swing back it will get worse, maybe much worse, before it gets better......it will take a lot to finally create a tipping point, where enough people finally start voting in their own best interest.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)cbrer
(1,831 posts)You know the rest.
If present trends continue. And there is no reason to believe they won't, I believe a revolution will be necessary to reclaim our nation.
Better me than my kids.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)According to the Council for Secular Humanism (I am a member / subscriber, so I have full access to their archive)
So Mr. Britt does not seem to be a "Doctor", but, rather a novelist.
His examination and divination of common characteristics of fascist regimes has one very large, glaring flaw: He examined fascist regimes for "common characteristics" but did not attempt to examine non-fascist regimes to see if these characteristics could significantly differentiate the two. You cannot examine fascist and only fascist regimes to determine "common" characteristics that are significant only to fascist regimes. And those are the only characteristics that matter.
For instance, the characteristic of "Powerful and Continuing Nationalism" seems that it could be true of ANY nation. Anywhere. At any time. Thus it would not be a useful discriminator.
The other flaw with this "examination" is that it is completely non-quantitative. How does one quantify nationalism such that one can arrive at the conclusion that one nation's nationalism is relatively "powerful" and another's is "weak"? The attribute of "continuing" would seem to be open to some form of quantification (years? decades?) but there is no hint that such a quantification was attempted.
This article is nothing more than a subjective rant. And, perhaps, an attempt to promote his novel.