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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf I were running for president, I would be pushing a mandatory term of national service.
Like the draft, but more broad.
Every American citizen, every resident foreign national, over the age of 18 would be required to serve two years in service to the nation. That might be working on infrastructure, doing hospice care in the VA system, doing systems development for the NSA, assisting air traffic controllers at the nation's airports, woking at national parks and monuments. And so forth.
It would also include military service, although that would, as it is now, be voluntary except for some state of declared war, when direct conscription could happen.
The purpose is to put skin in the game of being an American citizen or enjoying the benefit of being an American resident. Freedom actually isn't free. But neither does it mean war. Freedom is paid for but the free citizens. This period of national service would be each citizen's and each resident's down payment on their share of the cost of that freedom.
I favor a two year term.
There can be deferments for service, for university, for example, but no avoidance. Everyone save the profoundly disabled is required to serve. Students can opt for doing their service in a two year gap term between high school and college. Others can opt for doing it after college.
Flame away.
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,515 posts)in transitioning between being someone's child and being a self sufficient adult.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)alarimer
(16,245 posts)No such thing as mandatory volunteerism.
No draft registration for anyone.
I likely couldn't vote for anyone proposing mandatory service.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)PJMcK
(22,035 posts)Sadly, I believe Americans are far too selfish to ever allow legislation requiring mandatory national service.
Sorry, Stinky, but you'd lose your election. I might vote for you if you promise me a pony, though. (wink)
Just reading posts
(688 posts)Perhaps that's just me.
swhisper1
(851 posts)LWolf
(46,179 posts)you lost my vote.
It's that word "mandatory."
I approve of community service.
First, though, I want a living wage, universal public education pre-school through trade school and university, free at point of service, universal health care free at point of service, expanded social security, and anything else needed to provide a broad, strong, deep system of supports that ensure that nobody is hungry, homeless, cold, and hopeless.
When that happens, when there is less stress in daily life, when a days' work provides safety, security, fun, and enrichment, then there will be enough time and energy left to reach out, and we can encourage service, beginning at the local level and working out.
I think we ought to pay for services with taxes; fully fund them, instead of expecting them to get by with volunteers.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Thank dog that wvery genius who says, "If I were president I'd....." is sitting on the couch in his underwear instead...
Stinky The Clown
(67,795 posts)Your comment was insulting.
If you disagree, fine. But there is really no need for comments like that.
Have a swell day.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)citizen with no need for your training. I don't share your theology. I do not see others as in need of my commands but as in need of the same opportunities and choices I had.
Don't give orders. Give options. Open doors. Empower personal agency.
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)I don't think anyone should defer their life for 2 years and live at a reduced state(this is a government salary so I don't expect much), when they have so much potential to do something else and be more beneficial. And I don't see how such a plan would balance that difference.
To me, it's a waste of potential. I don't want college graduates that could be making impacts in fields such as literature, engineering, computer science, health, business, etc, having to defer that for two years over a job that doesn't harness that potential. Why? Sometimes being in service to the nation is just generating tax revenue and putting off the work for folks that (and this is a terrible saying) can't.
I'd rather have someone with gifted hands becoming a surgeon and paying healthy taxes instead of wasting time performing a job that could be performed by someone that can't.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Better to allow for student debt write off in exchange for national service.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)I would add that there should be a 6 week training period to learn to work together. Not super rigorous like Marine basic training. At the end of the 2 years there needs to be a period of time to determine future options. I really think that 18 is too young for most to be setting on a rigid course for life. Yes, I'm talking about my own experience, I was too young to be choosing a major field of study. I had no clue what a mechanical engineer was or for that matter what an engineer was.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Geeze, I thought that only happened in Chinese banks.
It's not enough that these kids graduate with a whackload of debt? Now you want to take two years of their lives?
hughee99
(16,113 posts)We're taking your labor for two years, but please know, we own your labor and have the power to take it whenever we'd like, and not just in time of war, but any old time we feel like it.
What's even better about your proposal is that you're taking 18 year olds, with very few life skills, and have them working major construction, national security, air traffic control, etc... What could possibly go wrong with that?
There's just so many things wrong with this proposal
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)If we are going to keep going on these military adventures we need people and not the same ones over and over until they are thoroughly broken.
I disagree with 2 yrs mandatory because of the very real possibility that military service is part of the deal. I think we should minimize the amount of time our citizens are exposed to the horrors of war, but allow them the option to extend if they wish.
My hope would be that such a policy would end our endless wars because voters would rather their kids do public service in a relatively safe environment. And, I agree that it could promote civic participation.
Just reading posts
(688 posts)Not a fan of involuntary servitude.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Keeping the draft to be used in the event of an actual, emergency threat to American territory is fine, but mandatory national service is just not a good idea.
If federal and state governments wanted to offer education, tax, or other incentives to volunteer with the Peace Corps or other service group, I would be behind that.
MH1
(17,600 posts)Seriously, this sounds exactly like what I've been saying for a few years now. I am very happy to have company in this opinion.
Basically I agree with every word you wrote, could have wrote it myself, and have written similar before.
All that said, we really do need such a program, but I don't think the country is ready for it at this time, and I wouldn't have any expectation of it being part of the Dem platform this year, much as I might wish it could be.
TampaAnimusVortex
(785 posts)There's a term for that... regardless of your good intentions.
If you can't get people to do what you want through voluntary negotiations, maybe your idea is just a bad one.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Upper income kids would do cushy "service" through the wealthy network.
It wouldn't be a bad thing for middle income kids.
doc03
(35,328 posts)Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)Government forced service in the name of freedom?
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)And the rich would all get out of it.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)but not mandatory and not free. Also not substituting service workers for paying jobs like infrastructure and most of the other things you mentioned. I would like something similar to the CCC decades ago when the government paid the unemployed to do work that wouldn't have been done otherwise. It might be transcribing records to the internet so they are available to everyone or updating older data from law enforcement into the background checks for guns. For those not suited to office type work, they could likely find some sort of outside work that needs to be done that no one ever does.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)that so many here don't like your idea... I suppose it's the same people who oppose cutting down on meat consumption to save the environment I have advocated both for decades
a real lack of civic responsibility is harming our country
alas, we can't have nice things
Igel
(35,300 posts)This isn't one of them.
Forced virtue is no virtue at all. It's always been true; it will always be true.
Some Xians want charity to be imposed. It's a Xian virtue to help the poor; it's unclear if it's a Xian virtue to tell people at gun point to help the poor. Why do I say "at gun point"? Because if you don't help the poor the way they want, through paying taxes, your property is seized; if you don't oblige at that point, a nice federal marshal shows up to encourage compliance. If you resist, your compliance is actively encouraged at gun point.
Angleae
(4,482 posts)Just reading posts
(688 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)Without having to serve in the military. People should be given the opportunity to do the work that you mention, to earn money toward college, without the willingness to kill people as part of the package.
There's no need to make it mandatory, pay them what the military is paid and plenty of people will sign up.
It would give young people an opportunity to travel and learn, but I don't see any point in forcing them. College is the light at the end of the tunnel, plenty of people would sign up.
BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)proposes such an idea. I applaud it.
One of the best things that mandatory national service helps with is to get away from one's parochial environment to see life as it is actually lived by others and to learn that no matter how different another culture may seem, people everywhere want the same basic things: life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They may simply define those things differently.
National service also helps develop a national consciousness, as opposed simply to a local, state, or regional consciousness.
I was a Peace Corps Volunteer myself. Every single one of us in my group believed that we received more out of the experience than we were able to give. Yet we are still occasionally surprised when we meet someone again whose life we touched at that time and incredibly warmed by the fond memories that they have of us and our stay in their cultures.
Just reading posts
(688 posts)under penalty of law to live in a barracks for two years while being ordered to (for instance) empty bed pans in nursing homes?
LarryNM
(493 posts)Once you begin with deferments it will become a legalistic game.
The well-connected will get what they want.And Mandatory? Mandatory
is for taxes, not human service. Conscription? Never. Not going to die
and kill for the Corporatists and when would you ever be able to even
volunteer to do it To the Corporatists?
Stinky The Clown
(67,795 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)2 years seems a bit long, though, 6 months max, IMO
Socal31
(2,484 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)of personal injury lawsuits.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)It's the opposite. It's saying that Americans should be required to pay for being citizens.