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Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:48 PM

Brexit vote prevailed, the resistance is possible!

The British should expect a fierce economic war from the global financial mafia which will not accept the result so easily

http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2016/06/brexit-vote-prevailed-resistance-is.html

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Reply Brexit vote prevailed, the resistance is possible! (Original post)
no more banksters Jun 2016 OP
tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
gwheezie Jun 2016 #2
Nonhlanhla Jun 2016 #3
Hekate Jun 2016 #15
sufrommich Jun 2016 #18
pampango Jun 2016 #4
Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #5
auntpurl Jun 2016 #7
msanthrope Jun 2016 #11
Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #12
msanthrope Jun 2016 #13
wryter2000 Jun 2016 #51
Meldread Jun 2016 #19
Hekate Jun 2016 #16
Meldread Jun 2016 #20
no more banksters Jun 2016 #60
Rex Jun 2016 #6
Adrahil Jun 2016 #8
MohRokTah Jun 2016 #9
justiceischeap Jun 2016 #10
Meldread Jun 2016 #21
Albertoo Jun 2016 #25
AngryAmish Jun 2016 #33
nationalize the fed Jun 2016 #14
Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #17
Meldread Jun 2016 #22
muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #23
DeadLetterOffice Jun 2016 #32
Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #39
Albertoo Jun 2016 #27
pampango Jun 2016 #47
LarryNM Jun 2016 #29
drray23 Jun 2016 #30
Albertoo Jun 2016 #24
Bad Thoughts Jun 2016 #26
rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #28
Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #31
sufrommich Jun 2016 #34
Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #35
davidn3600 Jun 2016 #36
Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #37
Recursion Jun 2016 #41
no more banksters Jun 2016 #42
Recursion Jun 2016 #44
no more banksters Jun 2016 #52
muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #46
no more banksters Jun 2016 #53
muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #55
no more banksters Jun 2016 #56
muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #57
no more banksters Jun 2016 #59
forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #54
no more banksters Jun 2016 #38
muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #45
pampango Jun 2016 #49
Recursion Jun 2016 #40
LeftyMom Jun 2016 #43
Odin2005 Jun 2016 #48
Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #50
SidDithers Jun 2016 #58

Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 12:59 PM

1. "Global financial mafia"? You mean "world markets". Now the banksters in the UK have free rein

 

Hold onto your pant for high inflation in the UK. That "mafia" won't have a thing to do with that. It will all be self-inflicted pain.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:18 PM

2. A different bunch of crooks

No right-wing movement has ever benefited the working class or poor.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:21 PM

3. Applauding a right wing movement on DU?

Am I missing a sarcasm tag somewhere?

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Response to Nonhlanhla (Reply #3)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:42 PM

15. There's a bunch of them here. It's disconcerting, to say the least.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #15)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:48 PM

18. Yep. Extremism is extremism regardless of ideology.

They're basically the same people.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:30 PM

4. Now if we can just get Trump elected, the left's revolution will be complete.

Imagine the "fierce economic war from the global financial mafia", i.e. a crashing economy, that will happen if we bravely elect the Donald. Maybe we can bring over Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage (maybe add in Marine Le Pen and some other European far-fighters) to advise Donald on how to stand up to the "global financial mafia".

Yeah to the victory of conservatives over worker and environmental protections. As long as we are tearing things down though, victory is surely near.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:35 PM

5. This is so incredibly fucking stupid I don't have words for it.

If you think the Brexit vote was a left-wing movement, if you think it was about "kicking the 1%", "rejecting austerity", or any of that bollocks, you are a deluded fool who has no business saying anything. What it was was a cynical right-wing campaign based on xenophobia and fear of immigration.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:43 PM

7. Co-signed.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:58 PM

11. There's a four letter word I keep repeating to myself, more and more, as I

 

read certain posts here....begins with a t, ends with a t....

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:03 PM

12. Rhymes with "hat" in UK English and "hot" in US English?

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #12)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 04:21 PM

13. You have it. nt

 

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 09:06 AM

51. It works with an i in the middle, too

OPs like this explain a lot of the crap we've seen on this site since the beginning of the primary.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #11)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:52 PM

19. God damn it! I suck a word games. :p

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:45 PM

16. Yep. I've been gobsmacked by the number and persistance of this cohort of posters.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #5)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:53 PM

20. This +1000

I am so sick of this delusional bullshit. The only people who benefit from this are the far right nationalists.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:26 AM

60. Obviously you didn't read the article

The propaganda launched by the European/international establishment attempted also to equate the xenophobia and nationalism with the vote for Brexit. Several "analysts" had gone further and tried to present the British citizens who voted for Brexit as a lumpen mob which has been manipulated by the leaders of the nationalists. This absurdly simplified propaganda shows the panic of the mechanisms of the dominant system which senses the beginning of its collapse.

Indeed, many British who voted for Brexit are located in areas where the Labour Party dominates. We should not forget that Corbyn has been pushed by the Party to declare a clear support on Bremain. This shows that the citizens who voted for Brexit is not a homogeneous mob that has been manipulated by the leaders of the nationalists. Many of them are working people who have been terrified by today's Europe of brutal neoliberalism which dissolves the labor rights, the welfare state, while at the same time imposes a sado-monetarism and a cruel austerity. Their vote was a vote of resistance against this neo-Feudal Europe.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 01:39 PM

6. Yeah it worked so well the PM is going to resign and the Labour Party leader is stepping down.

 

Seriously, this was a vote to grab up all the folks scared of migrant workers coming to 'take their jeeeebbbbbss!'

GEE, where have I heard that RWing BULLSHIT before? Oh right, I live in Texas...

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:44 PM

8. It really bothers me...

 

That some elements claiming to be "left" are so anxious to align themselves with open racism and xenophobia.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:45 PM

9. "Global financial mafia"

 











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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 03:51 PM

10. You know who gets hurt the most from this?

Certainly not the "global financial mafi." It will be the people that are already hurting

I can't believe so many that are cheering this on haven't stopped to think about the people this will actually hurt. Yet, the cheer it on anyway.

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Response to justiceischeap (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:57 PM

21. That's because they don't care.

They are here to push a grievance agenda against an imaginary global cabal. They are like the New World Order crazies on the right, who believe that there are secret conspiracies to plot to unite the world into one giant world government, and that is why the U.S. government is coming for their guns. They are the black helicopter and the Illuminati types.

They think they just won some big battle... but it's a battle that only existed in their head.

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Response to Meldread (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:56 PM

25. Ever listened to Alex Jones? THEY are coming, the GLOBALISTS

 

I found one under my bed the other day, in a three piece suit with attaché case and all..

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Response to Meldread (Reply #21)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:26 PM

33. Ever read Snowcrash?

 

Well you should. The fear is in a borderless world everyone will have a level of prosperity that a Pakistani bricklayer would find tolerable.

Most first world workers do not want to compete with that, especially the sub 100 IQ folks. And this unending punishment of those without advanced degrees needs to stop.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:34 PM

14. k&r Why are so many people on an "underground" site

supporting the EU? Nothing says Democracy and Freedom like unelected bureaucrats in Belgium passing laws that the proles must abide! Many of these cheerleaders hadn't even heard of the vote before Thursday.

It's BizzaroWorld. What used to be Right is now Left and what used to be up is now down.

Yup- the Brits have shown the world that Resistance IS possible!

Keep Calm and Start the Revolution!

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Response to nationalize the fed (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:46 PM

17. Better question is "why are so many supporting Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage"

the "Brexit" campaign was largely right-wing. Most of the people on this forum who actually live in the UK and know something about the referendum campaign and issues supported "Remain" (which should tell you something).

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #17)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:59 PM

22. Exactly. Virtually all the left was united behind the Remain campaign.

This does nothing but empower far right nationalists in the UK and across Europe. This is horrible shit if you are a liberal and actually care about liberal values and policies.

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Response to nationalize the fed (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:44 PM

23. The EU laws are passed by the EU parliament, not the bureaucrats

(and the EU parliament is actually more representative than the British one, being more proportional, and not having a second house that is appointees for life with a few hereditary peers and Church of England bishops).

If you think that the leave voters were 'resisting' or 'starting a revolution', you're delusional. Look at the demographics - it was the over 50s. Look at their stated reasons in polls - it was to cut immigration from the EU. Look at how they voted in the 2015 general election:



This was the British equivalent of the Tea Party.

How much were you posting about the referendum before it happened, by the way?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #23)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:11 PM

32. Anything UKIP likes that much...

... cannot be good. Period.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:24 AM

39. Also, and crucially, it is the EU Council, consisting of

the democratically- elected leaders of the member states, that tells the EU Commission what to do (and what not). On some issues, the EU Parliament can also give instructions to the Commission. The bureaucracy executes those instructions. If, at the Council level, UK leaders have been relatively politically ineffective, they have only themselves to blame.

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Response to nationalize the fed (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:59 PM

27. I find this 'unelected bureaucrats' cliché laughable

 

Are the bureaucrats generally elected? Are soldiers, policemen, teachers elected?

The EU is led by elected heads of state and by elected MPs.

This 'unelected' canard is rank desinformation.

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Response to Albertoo (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 05:31 AM

47. The "unelected bureaucrat" is always a favorite target of conservatives. In the US it is Washington

that conservatives direct their ire at the 'distant bureaucrats'. In Europe, they direct their anger at Brussels.

"States rights" here. "National rights" there. The 'unelected bureaucrats' of the 'distant capital' are a favorite whipping boy of the right (and sometimes the left, too apparently).

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Response to nationalize the fed (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:01 PM

29. +1,000 n/t

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Response to nationalize the fed (Reply #14)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:04 PM

30. maybe you should get your facts straight first.

The EU has an assembly with representatives from each member country They are elected by their citizens in each country. The bureaucrats you are talking about do nt make or pass any laws. Its the EU assembly which does that.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:53 PM

24. Petty insularism is "resistance"? Brave new world of word salad..

 

The Brexit will be the end of the UK, Irish and Scottish leaders have said
(both regions/countries have voted to remain in the EU)

Let's break down countries into sub-countries, regions, counties, villages, hamlets.

Evolution in reverse. But let's call it 'Resistance'. Yay!

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 06:56 PM

26. It was bigotry that won.

Now that the Brits are leaving, they can be exploited by their native banks.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:10 PM

31. So what's the big plan after Labour cracks apart, as it seems about to?

This whole crackbrained scheme seems like the fucking underwear gnomes skit.

Who do you have left who are resisting? If the left is toast, that will leave a vacuum that the right will happily fill.

If you think the Tories are going to raise wages and bring back factories, I have coal mine to sell you.

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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #31)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:38 PM

34. Who cares what happens?

They stuck it to the man,man!!

Yeehaw!!

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #34)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:49 PM

35. It's crazy!

It's like popping the hot air balloon you are riding in because you don't like the direction. Even leftist groups I respect seem to have totally lost their head and are riding this one down, like, we're fine, this is great!


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Response to Starry Messenger (Reply #35)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 08:28 PM

36. Sometimes you have to take 1 step backwards in order to take 2 steps forward

 

Progress isn't always linear.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #36)

Sun Jun 26, 2016, 11:12 PM

37. So, what are the two steps forward, as I asked?

Labour is crapping out as we speak, so what pieces do you have on the chessboard. Show me the moves.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:40 AM

41. Where in any of this is there a step forward? Tories are about to strip Britain of its labor laws

They have to leave the EU to do that, though, first.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 03:02 AM

42. What?

Didn't you hear about France, an EU member where the "socialist" Hollande is trying to crush the labor rights for the sake of the "competition"? The French people are in the streets for weeks.
Didn't you hear about Greece, EU and eurozone member, where the Brussels bureaufascists and the Berlin directorate are dismantling the social state and labor rights, sell-off public property? Have you heard about the financial coup by the disctator Draghi last summer?
Didn't you hear about the cruel austerity that the "wonderful" EU imposes to member-states and especially to the European periphery?
Didn't you hear about the complete failure to handle the big refugee problem for which the EU itself is highly responsible?
Tories dismantled one of the best health public systems inside the EU, fully aligned with current EU policies that promote privatization and dissolution of welfare state everywhere. And it started with Margaret Thatcher. Now they are only finish the job.

So, really, where did you come from?

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Response to no more banksters (Reply #42)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 03:13 AM

44. You should really learn more about this

The EU requires countries to maintain labor law standards; the UK's are pretty much the weakest among the western European countries. They're basically at the allowable "floor", and need to leave the EU to lower them further.

Seriously. Stop shutting off your brain when you see the word "neo-liberal" and learn what's actually going on here, because you're helping the people you think you're opposing.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #44)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 09:54 AM

52. Obviously

You don't live on planet Earth.
Get back to reality.
Try to escape from the matrix you live in.

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Response to no more banksters (Reply #42)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 03:51 AM

46. Remain campaigned to retain workers' rights; Leave to get rid of them

Jeremy Corbyn has urged Labour voters to support the UK staying in the EU, saying it will protect workers' rights.

Campaigning in Aberdeen, the Labour leader acknowledged that the EU should be more accountable and democratic.

But he said voting Remain would protect "paid holiday, the anti-discrimination legislation, the maternity leave, the paternity leave and particularly environmental protection".

Leave campaigners say cutting workplace regulation would help create new jobs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36508464

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #46)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 10:08 AM

53. That's because

Brexit was occupied by a big part of the popular right and the nationalists. Millions of Britons have voted for Brexit. Doesn't mean that all of them are right-Wing. They just see that the EU has become a neoliberal monster. So, really it doesn't matter who will dismantle the labor rights. The popular right will do it inside or outside the EU. That's not the issue here. Brexit is only a step towards the resistance against what Europe has become. Europe needs a restart towards the direction of humanitarian values. Right now, has become a feud of the banksters and the lobbyists. Sorry that I spoil your dream, but there is no other way right now. Either EU will break up and European countries will start again a new cooperation based on the humanitarian values, or, it will walk into an era of a new Feudalsim.

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Response to no more banksters (Reply #53)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 10:33 AM

55. "Europe needs a restart towards the direction of humanitarian values"; Brexit is the wrong direction

After Brexit, the next targets: Human rights and refugees in Britain

As any student of civics knows, the United Kingdom has an unwritten Constitution. But it does have a number of constitutional instruments that define the basic fundamental freedoms and human rights of its citizens. The most important constitutional instrument in today's Britain is its Human Rights Act, 1998 – but its future is in peril after the vote in favour of Brexit.
...
But judges of the European Court of Human Rights cannot strike down legislation that violates the rights guaranteed by the European Convention. The power to strike down legislation is vested with the apex legal body of the EU, namely the European Court of Justice, which ensures that member states comply with their human rights obligations, and draws heavily from the European Convention and the EU’s own Charter of Fundamental Rights in ensuring the supremacy of EU law over member states’ domestic law.
...
The UK’s continued membership of the Council is not dependent on its EU membership and its obligations under the European Convention will continue post-Brexit. Nevertheless, with all notions of European “unity” shattered by Brexit, the “leavers” are most likely to turn their attention towards destroying the idea of one European “community” based on respect and dignity of the individual, symbolised by the much maligned (in Britain at least) European Conventoon and the country’s Human Rights Act.

The repeal of the Human Right Act was a part of the (soon to be ex) Prime Minister David Cameron’s Conservative party manifesto leading up to the 2015 general election, but his attempts to do so have been foiled due to the lack of an alternate “British” Bill of Rights. In light of the vote in favour of Brexit, it should come as no surprise that decisions of the European Court of Justice and European Court of Human Rights have historically drawn the ire of the UK’s political right, with its standard bearer the Daily Mail newspaper chronicling the follies of “human rights luvvies” and blaming supporters of the Act for helping killers and rapists avoid deportation.

http://scroll.in/article/810643/after-brexit-the-next-targets-human-rights-and-refugees-in-britain

It is open to the UK to leave the Council of Europe system completely and to repeal the Human Rights Act. However, the ECHR is considered a fundamental part of EU law and so would continue to apply in relation to EU matters. The European Union itself is under also an obligation to sign up to the ECHR and will join as a member, just like Russia and the UK. In this sense the two European systems overlap and are intertwined. The House of Lords EU Justice Sub-Committee is currently holding an inquiry on the impact of repeal of the Human Rights Act 1998 on EU law.

The UK could also withdraw from the European Union and leave behind the rights associated with EU citizenship – such as free movement and the rights contained in the Charter. As highlighted here, a vote for leaving the EU would trigger the Article 50 procedure for a negotiated exit and the rights derived from citizenship would no doubt form part of the negotiations. The outcome of those negotiations for the moment are of course unclear.

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/what-are-the-consequences-for-human-rights-if-we-change-our-relationship-with-the-eu/

The Tories want to repeal the Human Rights Act, and get out of the European Convention on Human Rights. Staying in the EU would have prevented that ("membership of the Council of Europe is a requirement for EU member states", but now, they can.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #55)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 11:09 AM

56. Human rights and refugees

1) ... are primarily protected by the UN not the EU. The EU screwed up with the refugee problem. Nothing worked. Each country closed borders and let Greece without help. The hypocrisy especially of the German leadership hit record high. They are presenting themselves as sympathetic to the refugees but they had undermined what the EU should be so to restrict refugee flows in German soil: solidarity among nations, equal responsibilities. So, this is the real EU now, not any treaties and agreements signed in papers. No country has the right to close its borders, yet they did it. So, where are the rules here? The rules applied only at the benefit of the big banking and corporate capital. This is the real EU.

2) When we are talking about "humanitarian values" and "human rights" we talk about many things. One basic human right is the right for work. Yet, the "wonderful" EU imposes the IMF-constructed recipes through the so-called "memorandums of understanding". Which simply means massive lay-offs, continuous cuts in pensions and wages, work "flexibility" in favor of the big companies etc. Things that have been conquered with struggles, the EU is taking them back at the expense of the people and in favor of the lobbyists. One basic human right is the right for housing. Yet, in Spain, under the EU pressure, thousands of people lost their homes because of the banks that have been bailed out with billions. The same happened in Greece, Ireland and elsewhere. One basic human right is the right for free health and education. Again the EU is pushing for privatization in its debt colonies like Greece. The welfare state the last 6 years has been damaged to a great extent. Poor people lost their jobs, their homes, they are uninsuranced have no money for healthcare. This is the real face of the EU today. So don't tell me about "human rights".

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Response to no more banksters (Reply #56)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 11:27 AM

57. No, the UN does not have a court to protect human rights

The EU does (the European Court of Justice), and it also requires members belong to the Council of Europe, so that the European Court of Human Rights can rule on cases in the member countries. There is nothing equivalent from the UN; if you haven't heard, there are many human rights abuses in UN member countries, and the UN is powerless to protect the individuals. And, as I showed, the Leave side want to get rid of the right to appeal to those courts.

The EU may not have handled the refugee situation perfectly, but your telling of what happened is just plain false. The German leadership let in close to a million refugees - to the annoyance of the right wing in Germany. In contrast, the British government tried to take as few refugees as it could get away with. Leaving the EU will just allow a Tory government to do even less for refugees.

On right to work and 'flexibility', the EU is more pro-worker than the people like Boris Johnson who lead the Brexit campaign and are now likely to take over the British government. They want less regulation of business. I may or may not have posted this for you before, but it bears repeating:

On Thursday 23 June British voters will decide if Britain should continue its membership of the European Union or leave.
Working people will have a big stake in the referendum because workers’ rights are on the line. The TUC is concerned that leaving the EU puts at risk many vital workplace rights currently underpinned by EU law – paid holidays, extra maternity rights and better conditions for part-time workers, as well as many better jobs in export-reliant industries.
RESOURCES
WORKERS' RIGHTS: Brexit impact
An independent legal opinion from Michael Ford QC identifies the dangers of Britain leaving the EU for working people.
BETTER OFF IN - Working people and the case for remaining in the ​EU
This paper looks at the likely impact of Brexit on the core concern of trade unions: good jobs with decent pay.​
A BIG DECISION FOR WORKERS - Interactive guide
Guide to help you understand the main issues that affect working people.
THE NHS: How Brexit could affect our health service
BRITISH STEEL: Why Brexit won’t save our steel
HEALTH AND SAFETY:
- What Brexit would mean
- The benefits for UK workers
WOMEN’S RIGHTS: The risks of Brexit
Women workers’ rights and the risks of Brexit​
This report outlines 20 ways in which EU law has improved the rights of working women in the UK
WORKING PARENTS & CARERS - Risks of Brexit​
​RACE EQUALITY: The risks of Brexit
FREE MOVEMENT IS A TWO-WAY STREET - Brexit would risk it all
PART-TIME AND TEMPORARY WORKERS - Risks of Brexit​
RIGHTS FOR OUTSOURCED WORKERS​ - Risks of Brexit
VIDEOS
The EU referendum: A big decision. Don't risk it! - Explanatory animation
Stuart's story: Don't risk our car industry by leaving the EU
Tracey's story: Don't risk our flexible working by leaving the EU​
Angie's story: The NHS will be poorer if we leave the EU
Maurice's story: Bad bosses will exploit workers' if we leave the EU​
Kevin's story: EU laws have helped reduce injuries at work and even saves lives
Michelle's story: I don't want to risk losing pregnancy, maternity and family leave rights

https://www.tuc.org.uk/EUref

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #57)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 11:45 AM

59. Sorry, but

what is the EU agency for the refugees? The UN: http://www.unhcr.org/

"... there are many human rights abuses in UN member countries, and the UN is powerless to protect the individuals ..." so what? EU members are also UN members. Thanks for verifying.

"The EU may not have handled the refugee situation perfectly"? Sorry, it was an absolute disaster.

"They want less regulation of business". So as the EU. They are exactly on the same side: http://corporateeurope.org/



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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #36)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 10:14 AM

54. Breathtaking

 

At least the KPD didn't have a historical example for the "AFTER HITLER, US" strategy to show how stupid it was.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 01:51 AM

38. The Left was absent again

The saddest thing was that the Left permitted the extreme nationalists to appear in the front line of another big battle. The Left was absent for one more time. The Left feared that would be blamed by the mouthpieces of the system for the dissolution of this "wonderful" Europe of brutal neoliberalism. Tsipras in Greece and Corbyn in the UK were key figures of this lack of braveness by the European Left, when it should be in the front line of the struggle against this repulsive Europe.

Consequently, Nigel Farage and other nationalists across Europe grabbed the chance to steal the rhetoric of a Left which, under other circumstances, would be determined to fight. The European Left should be the one that should speak open and straight about the struggle against the bankers and the multinationals, not Farage.

Farage's disgraceful statement that victory has been achieved 'without a single bullet being fired', ignoring so demonstratively Cox's assassination, shows how dangerous the nationalists are, and the need for the Left to take the leadership of the struggle against the current European monster.

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Response to no more banksters (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 03:46 AM

45. You don't seem to know anything about the UK, its politics, or its media

The push to leave the EU has come from the right in the past 2 decades - the right wing of the Conservatives, and UKIP, made up from people who found the Tories not right wing enough (when founded in the 90s, it did have a few liberal people in it, like its founder Alan Sked, but they were pushed out as it went far right under Farage). And they got plenty of support for that from right wing papers like the Mail, Express and Telegraph.

Farage's rhetoric has never been that of the left. He doesn't talk about bankers (he was, after all, a commodities trader - his best friends are literally bankers; his early prediction immediately after the polls closed on Thursday that Remain had won was based on private exit polls bankers had commissioned to judge the currency markets, and they leaked them to him). Farage talks about a 'struggle' against immigrants from the EU.

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Response to no more banksters (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 08:23 AM

49. If you support the rhetoric of Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson, that tells us all we need to know.

Their rhetoric is not a liberal rhetoric. The Left campaigned for the UK to stay in the EU. The Right campaigned for the UK to leave.

Only in a Bizzaro World does a "Real Leftist" support the far-right's rhetoric and policies and oppose the rhetoric and policies of the Left. In that Bizzaro World, Trump (who supported Brexit) is the true Leftist and Bernie (who opposed it) is really a right wing apologist for bankers and multinationals.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:39 AM

40. The stupid... it burns...

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 03:09 AM

43. Yeah, no.

Nice try though.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 08:07 AM

48. Fuck all this Fascism apologia.

Take this shit to Infowars.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 08:25 AM

50. To the barricades, comrades!

Hey, you shouldn't be leading from behind. Get your arse over here and start organizing. The cannonfodder in your struggle eagerly await you.

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Response to no more banksters (Original post)

Mon Jun 27, 2016, 11:28 AM

58. Oh FFS...



Sid

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