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matt819

(10,749 posts)
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:04 PM Jun 2016

Neoliberalism

Can everyone please stop using that term. Even smart people have no fucking clue what it means, and it does nothing to contribute to discussions of, well, of anything.

I'm okay with neo nazi and neo fascist. And even with respect to the latter, fascist works just as well.

And neosporin is okay.

But let's do our bit here at DU to ensure that neoliberal does not turn up on some 2016 worst words of the year list.

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Neoliberalism (Original Post) matt819 Jun 2016 OP
Thank you for saying this... comradebillyboy Jun 2016 #1
It came from Chris Hedges. Mr. Pessimism Porn. DemFromPittsburgh Jun 2016 #2
Everyone is using that term? Rex Jun 2016 #3
Thank you! mcar Jun 2016 #4
Reading is fundamental portlander23 Jun 2016 #5
Yeah, yeah matt819 Jun 2016 #14
How about Neolution? n/t Yavin4 Jun 2016 #6
I AM the Liberal One. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #7
But are you the neoliberal one? Nt matt819 Jun 2016 #15
I've been called "Neo(liberal)" enough times on DU there can be no doubt. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #16
It says it all for me florida08 Jun 2016 #8
Exactly. The quote excerpt below came from that article. seabeckind Jun 2016 #10
+ 100 applegrove Jul 2016 #19
If someone knows what it means, can they use it? seabeckind Jun 2016 #9
It's actually a very useful term to descibe a set of policies. Warpy Jun 2016 #11
On the contrary, let's use it more often so that people know what it means JHB Jun 2016 #12
Can we use Reagonomics instead? Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #13
I've been using that term here LWolf Jun 2016 #17
I have used the term neo-liberal for nearly a decade at DU as PP23 PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #18

comradebillyboy

(10,147 posts)
1. Thank you for saying this...
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:08 PM
Jun 2016

Lefties use 'neoliberal' in the same way righties use 'SJW' as meaningless generic insults.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. Everyone is using that term?
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:22 PM
Jun 2016

I've never seen so many people upset about an economic term. How curious indeed.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
16. I've been called "Neo(liberal)" enough times on DU there can be no doubt.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:48 PM
Jun 2016
I AM the LIBERAL ONE!

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
10. Exactly. The quote excerpt below came from that article.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:39 PM
Jun 2016

and includes this observation:

In the United States neo-liberalism is destroying welfare programs; attacking the rights of labor (including all immigrant workers); and cutbacking social programs. The Republican "Contract" on America is pure neo-liberalism. Its supporters are working hard to deny protection to children, youth, women, the planet itself -- and trying to trick us into acceptance by saying this will "get government off my back." The beneficiaries of neo-liberalism are a minority of the world's people. For the vast majority it brings even more suffering than before: suffering without the small, hard-won gains of the last 60 years, suffering without end.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
9. If someone knows what it means, can they use it?
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jun 2016

Or will it upset the people who don't know what it means?

Should we ban geometry for the same reason?

Actually, it has been well defined on quite a few posts. It has been well defined in quite a bit of literature. Quite a few smart people know exactly what it means.

It seems to me to be very descriptive of an economic philosophy pretending to be a political philosophy.

kristopher said it here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027968836#post92

The main points of neo-liberalism include:

THE RULE OF THE MARKET. Liberating "free" enterprise or private enterprise from any bonds imposed by the government (the state) no matter how much social damage this causes. Greater openness to international trade and investment, as in NAFTA. Reduce wages by de-unionizing workers and eliminating workers' rights that had been won over many years of struggle. No more price controls. All in all, total freedom of movement for capital, goods and services. To convince us this is good for us, they say "an unregulated market is the best way to increase economic growth, which will ultimately benefit everyone." It's like Reagan's "supply-side" and "trickle-down" economics -- but somehow the wealth didn't trickle down very much.

CUTTING PUBLIC EXPENDITURE FOR SOCIAL SERVICES like education and health care. REDUCING THE SAFETY-NET FOR THE POOR, and even maintenance of roads, bridges, water supply -- again in the name of reducing government's role. Of course, they don't oppose government subsidies and tax benefits for business.

DEREGULATION. Reduce government regulation of everything that could diminsh profits, including protecting the environmentand safety on the job.

PRIVATIZATION. Sell state-owned enterprises, goods and services to private investors. This includes banks, key industries, railroads, toll highways, electricity, schools, hospitals and even fresh water. Although usually done in the name of greater efficiency, which is often needed, privatization has mainly had the effect of concentrating wealth even more in a few hands and making the public pay even more for its needs.

ELIMINATING THE CONCEPT OF "THE PUBLIC GOOD" or "COMMUNITY" and replacing it with "individual responsibility." Pressuring the poorest people in a society to find solutions to their lack of health care, education and social security all by themselves -- then blaming them, if they fail, as "lazy."

Warpy

(111,256 posts)
11. It's actually a very useful term to descibe a set of policies.
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jun 2016

Wikipedia has a pretty decent article on it, its history, the changes in the meaning of the word (which aren't as drastic as you might think), and why those policies have "liberalism" attached to them: it's liberalization of rules that constrain business, not liberalization of rules that constrain people, as in classical liberalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism should clear up some of the confusion.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
12. On the contrary, let's use it more often so that people know what it means
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jun 2016

A big part of the reason that after some 40 years of it being the the compass by which economic policies are set is because it's treated as if it were the natural state of affairs and not a set of policy ideas that -- like most -- don't quite work as advertised.

When "smart people" start using it in ways that are unconnected to its actual meaning, clue them in, don't just avoid the issue.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
17. I've been using that term here
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jun 2016

for many years.

The fucking "centrists" adopted both the words liberal and progressive a long way back. The DLC co-opted those terms and began a long, slow, Orwellian hijacking of those terms to suit their neo-liberal, yes, neo-liberal, agenda. Just read the language used by their think tank, the "Progressive Policy" Institute. It doesn't really matter what you call it. "Centrist," "New Democrat," "Third Way," "Pragmatic," etc.

The only label they HAVE stayed away from is, ironically, neo-liberal.

There's a reason for that. Meanwhile, for those who have no fucking clue, I saw a thread on the front page of this forum earlier today that explained it well; I'll go find it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027969981

PufPuf23

(8,775 posts)
18. I have used the term neo-liberal for nearly a decade at DU as PP23
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:52 PM
Jun 2016

and over a decade under my 1st DU screen name.

I understand why some at DU are uncomfortable with the term neo-liberal (and neo-conservative as well).

The links offered elsewhere in this thread are simple and reasonably accurate definitions of neo-liberalism and neo-liberal policy.

Neo-liberal is a useful and descriptive term that existed long before 2016.

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