You know what scares the shit out of me.?.

[busterbrown]

The thousands of hard core union members in Pen. and other traditional Blue and toss up states
who might vote for trump based on his xenophobic and homophobic message..This despite that as president, he probably would continue to do his best to dismantle unions a la that schmuck Junior Walker ( not of the all stars)

Am I just being paranoid?

[JaneyVee]

1. Most union members I know are immigrants and people of color.

But I live in NYC so maybe its just an anomaly.

[busterbrown]

3. According to this chart..

There are substantially more White than Black, probably because there are more whites than Blacks in our total population..

Do you read this graph the same?

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.htm

[tallahasseedem]

2. I think in the end they will follow union line...

[1939]

38. 1972 and 1984

They didn't quite do that (follow the union line).

It will take some work to shore up their votes.

[840high]

4. If they vote for him it's mostly

because of TPP.

[busterbrown]

7. Strongly disagree

As a matter of fact I’m surprised you have not been tagged..

[840high]

11. It's ok to disagree -

tagged for what? a difference in opinion?

[busterbrown]

12. New rules are very strict on inter party negative posts..

pretty obvious this is anti-Hillary

[840high]

13. So report me. Go for it. 'bye

[busterbrown]

16. Never ever even thought about it..

Not my style.. But I am gonna go for a beer...

[840high]

18. Have one for me. Be safe this

week-end and enjoy.

[busterbrown]

20. No driving...1 Beer.

but I appreciate your kind words... My Brother!

[DianaForRussFeingold]

15. Most Democrats including"Top House Democrat" are against the TPP !

Top House Democrat on trade opposes Trans Pacific Partnership:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027971064

[840high]

19. Good. TY

[DianaForRussFeingold]

28. My pleasure!

[pampango]

39. Most Democratic politicians, Yes. Most Democrats, No. The reverse is true in the GOP. n/t

[DianaForRussFeingold]

47. Yes. Corporate (and mostly Republican!) for TPP

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/22/opinion/obama-and-republicans-agree-on-the-trans-pacific-partnership-unfortunately.html?_r=0

[pampango]

48. The polls show more liberal Democrats favor TPP while more conservative Dems agree

with the conservative republican base and oppose it. Similarly republicans who consider themselves to be "conservative" oppose TPP more than those who claim they are 'moderate' though they all trash "Obamatrade".

[DianaForRussFeingold]

49. Huh

Labeling people in our own party is very divisive. These polls are bought and paid for. Polls are meant to label and divide people up into groups. Let's not let them divide us..

Like Bernie says, "We're all in this together"

05-09-1991 Bernie Sanders speaks out against NAFTA Started in 1988.

[pampango]

50. Acknowledging that there are liberal and conservative Democrats is not divisive.

It is reality.

There are also establishment and Tea Party republicans. Not acknowledging that is not dealing with reality but living in a dream world where all Democrats are the same and all republicans are the same.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

57. Not going to let the polls decide!

This is why. Most people don't even have land lines and some that do, don't answer them. That's all!

[pampango]

60. I doubt many of us will. Polls are indications of what people are thinking, not whether they are

right or wrong.

Of course, the poll results I disagree with are 'flawed'. Those that I agree with are 'proof' that people agree with me.

If you choose to disregard all polls that is fine too.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

64. I'll tell you what polls I like-The polls that show Trump losing.

I could never, ever vote for that man!

[pampango]

65. Agree with you there 100%. n/t

[awoke_in_2003]

66. Republicans only oppose it...

because the president supports it.

[pampango]

68. Partly but their base also opposes the UN, the WTO, all trade agreements (including republican

approved ones) and most other international agreements, e.g. Law of the Sea, Disability Rights, Paris climate agreement, Iran nuclear agreement ... The list could go on for pages. Apparently to them, national sovereignty trumps treaties.

[bigwillq]

31. If that post is tagged, they might as well shut the place down

That post Is an opinion.

[coco77]

43. Opinion...

Stifling has been going on here for a while I have never been reported so much as I have in the past few years. I remember when it used to be fun we had some interesting informative PST people were able to say what really was on their minds and many were enlightened. Now you csan get reported if you say a curse word.

[Scootaloo]

32. For starters...

You want "intra-party"; inter-party would be between different parties.

Second, you're wrong.

Third, Hillary clinton is not the TPP. The TPP is proposed legislation. Hillary Clinton is a human being.

Fourth, 840high made a point, and you clearly have no refutation for that point. I don't blame you, it's a solid point, even if a bit narrow in its focus - the Democratic party tends to treat labor as an expendable resources. The party wants their votes, but doesn't really seem to want to put forth legislation in favor of labor anymore.

Fifth, trying to intimidate people into accepting your opinion is a hallmark of fascism. As this is not "Fascist Udnerground," such behavior seems out of place here. Maybe don't do it.

[busterbrown]

33. thanks for the grammar lesson..

And as far as my “my opinion being a hallmark of fascism”...Too silly to comment on..

Your comment that the "Democratic party tends to treat labor as an expendable resource” where the heck did you come up with that...If that were true, why are all the major labor leaders and unions coming out for Hillary?

[Scootaloo]

34. It's not your opinion, it's your use of threat to try to force others to accept your opinion

What labor leaders do or don't do has little impact on the legislation that the Democrats work for and pass. Which is exactly hte problem I mentioned. Presumably there is hte hope of "this time will be different" paired wit hthe fact that Donald sure as fuck isn't going to be a positive in htat regard.

[coco77]

5. I tthink a Lot of them think he will save them

I have never understood from the beginning how they this nk he will bring jobs when he is one of ther many who are sending jobs overseas. Trumps products are made overseas and do they really think he would pay them 10,15,25 or 30 dollars an hr?

[TexasBushwhacker]

25. Nit only that, the standard GOP line is that you can't

restrict American businesses from manufacturing overseas because that's considered "anti-business".

[coco77]

45. Well..

He and his ilk should just sell overseas. Nobody calls him out when he talks about Nabisco going to Mexico and him telling people not buy from them then proceeds to doing an infomercial disguised as a press conference to sell Trump steaks,etc..

[MisterP]

27. WalMart's the main one sending jobs overseas: the Trump empire's pretty down the list

[coco77]

44. Don't give a damn ...

He is on the list,and he is a fucking liar.

[femmocrat]

6. I just saw on tweety's show that PA is now a "toss-up"----

changed from "leans democratic". There are a lot of what used to be called "Reagan democrats" here.

[busterbrown]

8. Thats what I’m talking about n/t

[Motley13]

9. Do they realize demented don is against minimum wage raise?

Guess not
Amazing how people vote against their own best interest.

[Her Sister]

67. Thinks people are getting paid too much.

[welivetotreadonkings]

10. Definitely worthy of concern, as a Rust Belt victory for Trump would be his most plausible path

to victory, unlikely as that is. I'm sure the Clinton camp is well aware of this, but that is why it may be in their best interest to stay firm on trade. Kind of a tough situation, though, with Obama pushing for TPP, while she has been somewhat critical of the deal. Definitely hope she sticks to the economic issues for the general, and makes the point of how terrible Trump and a Republican Congress would be for workers.

[PowerToThePeople]

14. I was amazed at how many

members of my union were Republican.

In fact, many held anti-union semtiments.

It was kind of a "I got mine, f u" attitude.

Like they "earned" their place but other newer members were just out for the union pay.

But, there were also a lot of real leftists as well.

Not so different than society as a whole.

[lpbk2713]

17. Something I'll never be able to figure out.

How and why some people vote against their own interests.

[former9thward]

35. Do you question why liberal millionaires vote against their own interests?

No, of course you don't. You accept a Marxist view of "class interests". Almost no one in the U.S. agrees with that.

[Warren DeMontague]

21. Reading the speech he gave a few days ago, I suspect that's part of his plan, such as he has one.

He's definitely making a play for PA. Whether it works is another question. And whether it will be enough to offset his astronomical negatives with all kinds of demographics. He has big problems.

[doc03]

22. It isn't about that it is TRADE (NAFTA WTO GATT TPP). The Republicans were for NAFTA

they voted to pass NAFTA but Bill Clinton and Democrats get the blame because he signed it.

[former9thward]

36. Democrats were in control of Congress when NAFTA was voted on.

And Clinton pressured Democrats to vote for it and he did sign it. Don't try to deflect.

[doc03]

41. Democrats were in control but Democrats voted it down in the House and

Senate. Clinton was able to get enough Democrats to vote on a Republican bill to pass it. But see what you get when you are bi-partisan. It was a GHWB Republican
bill but as soon as there was a job loss it became a Democratic Bill Clinton bill. Same goes for RR SS cuts when Bill Clinton increased the RR 50% tax on SS TO 85% it became the Democrats cut SS? I worked in a steel mill and belonged to the USWA and we weren't all white by far so don't try to say we are racists.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

58. That's exactly right! Old enough to remember!

What scares me is Democrats compromising--While Republicans Never budge on their issues!

We have to worry too much what we post and it scares me that it could get worse.

President Clinton signs The Telecommunications Act of 1996:

"You will not see this story on any television or hear it on any radio broadcast". Sen John McCain.

"All together the 3 major network news shows aired a sum total of only 19 minutes of coverage on the telecommunications act, over the course of 9 months."

[VOX]

23. The Rust Belt has the highest concentration of white male voters...

in the country. The region's depending on heavy turnout by women, minorities and younger voters to offset this disadvantage.

If there's a potential trouble-spot for Democrats, the electoral-vote-rich Rust Belt is it.

[IronLionZion]

26. Lots of union members voted for Reagan

and then he ruined their lives permanently.

Trump is for cheap labor. He is NOT for organized labor and collective bargaining. Ask your union buddies if Trump used union workers on any of his buildings? He was already exposed for using illegal immigrant labor and not paying subcontractors.

[former9thward]

37. What are you talking about?

All construction in New York is union.

[IronLionZion]

40. There are Trump buildings in other states

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Trump_Organization

[brooklynite]

29. They may vote for him based on his anti-trade rhetoric...

...but that's no different than some of the Bernie folks.

[tavernier]

30. Zombies made out of ex lax?

(Sorry... Late... Time for bed)

[dembotoz]

42. i live in a red area...don't believe the dump trump and stay home...they always vote and always gop

throw in trumps brownshirt appeal....we could be fucked

[PowerToThePeople]

46. You know what scares the shit out of me?

Having to watch a bleak future unfold that could have been better, if not for the poor choices of others.

[doc03]

51. No what should scare you is the thousands of hard core union members

who might vote for Trump based on Democrats support for bad trade deals.

[apcalc]

53. They think he can bring back their coal and steel jobs....

But he can't , no one can....robotization will take over much of the remaining industry, outsourcing will move jobs out of the country.
It's such a shame for the people, but those industries are gone.

The people best move out of the parts of the state that thrived on those industries...

[Bucky]

55. not paranoia. Trump is polling well among disgruntled, disenfranchised working class whites

Van Jones has been talking about this for some time. He's a much stronger candidate that most Dems appreciate. The freakish simplicity of his messaging is effective, even if a liberal college educated guy like me can't see the appeal. He goes

1. This thing I want you all to be scared of
2. We gotta know what the heck is going on
3. Bad, very Bad
4. We gotta be tough
5. and smart
6. If we don't deal with this in a tough way, we may not have a country much longer
7. I know how to do this. That's my plan.

How can no one see thru this level of horseshit? But millions are not. I used to think Fox News was the enemy of effective government. They're not. They're only the stool softener, getting America ready for Trump to come out and destroy democracy.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

70. Sad, You would think they would learn

There is Nothing new with Trump-That list looks very familiar!

[pansypoo53219]

69. see the last 8 years.