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KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 11:19 AM Jul 2016

Most American Christians Believe They’re Victims of Discrimination

Not The Onion!

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/the-christians-who-believe-theyre-being-persecuted-in-america/488468/

Many, many Christians believe they are subject to religious discrimination in the United States. A new report from the Public Religion Research Institute and Brookings offers evidence: Almost half of Americans say discrimination against Christians is as big of a problem as discrimination against other groups, including blacks and minorities. Three-quarters of Republicans and Trump supporters said this, and so did nearly eight out of 10 white evangelical Protestants. Of the latter group, six in 10 believe that although America once was a Christian nation, it is no longer—a huge jump from 2012.

Polling data can be split up in a million different ways. It’s possible to sort by ethnicity, age, political party, and more. The benefit of sorting by religion, though, is that it highlights people’s beliefs: the way their ideological and spiritual convictions shape their self-understanding. This survey suggests that race is not enough to explain the sense of loss some white Americans seem to feel about their country, although it’s part of the story; the same is true of age, education level, and political affiliation. People’s beliefs seem to have a distinctive bearing on how they view changes in American culture, politics, and law—and whether they feel threatened. No group is more likely to express this fear than conservative Christians.

One aspect of American fear that’s been talked about a lot during this presidential-election cycle is fear of the other, from the Mexican immigrants who would be kept out by a wall to the Muslim refugees who would be banned from fleeing here from their homes abroad. That fear seems to fade, though, if Americans recognize a religious kinship with people they perceive as foreign.

Forty-six percent of those surveyed said immigration from Mexico and Central America has been too high in recent years. When asked the same question about immigrants from “predominantly Christian countries,” though, only 10 percent of people said immigration has been too high. The irony is that this is essentially the same question, phrased two different ways: Latin American countries are overwhelming Christian—in many places, even more so than the United States. When Americans think of those immigrants as Christians, rather than foreign nationals, they’re more likely to open their arms in welcome.


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Most American Christians Believe They’re Victims of Discrimination (Original Post) KamaAina Jul 2016 OP
I don't see "non-Christians only" signs. roamer65 Jul 2016 #1
These people are Christians in name only Doodley Jul 2016 #2
So Christians are a small minority in the United States? nt MisterFred Jul 2016 #4
You lost me there. Please explain Doodley Jul 2016 #6
... Major Nikon Jul 2016 #11
I was just about to go there. Thank you. GoneOffShore Jul 2016 #19
... treestar Jul 2016 #8
Leviticus is Old Testament REP Jul 2016 #9
So? Igel Jul 2016 #18
The post to which I was responding specifically mentioned the New Testament REP Jul 2016 #33
The actual polling data is interesting and can be found here: struggle4progress Jul 2016 #3
So a bunch of white, conservative, Republican voting Christians think they're discriminated against MrScorpio Jul 2016 #5
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #14
+1, "... When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression..." OP Worthy uponit7771 Jul 2016 #17
Agree with #17, "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression": great wisdom. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #30
Oh for fuck's sake. Photographer Jul 2016 #7
The reason "Christians" feel oppressed and discriminated against FuzzyRabbit Jul 2016 #10
yeah they can just not as blatantly as before maybe rurallib Jul 2016 #27
Just WOW. HughBeaumont Jul 2016 #12
Father please forgive them for they do not know of their stupidity. Initech Jul 2016 #13
Fart noises Solly Mack Jul 2016 #15
Visual Major Nikon Jul 2016 #20
Love it! Solly Mack Jul 2016 #22
If you won't believe what they believe ... JoePhilly Jul 2016 #16
...or if you won't let them force their warped dogma on you Major Nikon Jul 2016 #21
Idiots one and all. truebrit71 Jul 2016 #23
And that's the best that can be said of them!!! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2016 #29
When they start getting fed to the lions at halftime, then they can claim they're being persecuted. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #24
will ticket prices go up? SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #26
It's always a shame when Fundamentalists are kept from harming others. How discriminatory!!!!!! uppityperson Jul 2016 #25
Probably because so many are so hateful and discriminatory toward others that RKP5637 Jul 2016 #28
Most American Christians have also been brainwashed by their preachers meow2u3 Jul 2016 #31
nuttery Skittles Jul 2016 #32

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
1. I don't see "non-Christians only" signs.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jul 2016

The fundamentalist nutbags pull this crap to hide their dominionist agenda.

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
2. These people are Christians in name only
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 11:47 AM
Jul 2016

You can't be a Christian and reject the most basic of teachings in the New Testament, such as caring about and accepting outsiders, about forgiveness, about unconditional love, about inequality between the very rich and the poor.

You can't be a Christian and reject all these most basic Christian values and support those who want to turn away those in need and send outsiders back, favor the rich, and display anger toward those who come from other lands.

When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. (Leviticus 19:33-34)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
8. ...
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jul 2016

Even Jesus migrated:

Matthew 2:14 ESV / 51 helpful votes

And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt

REP

(21,691 posts)
9. Leviticus is Old Testament
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jul 2016

The bar for being a Christian is pretty low, though; one doesn't even need to be a member of one of their churches to be one. Whether an individual meets your definition or mine of a "good" Christian really doesn't matter.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
18. So?
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jul 2016

Jesus spoke of "righteousness", and that was OT.

When asked what the greatest commandment was, he quoted Leviticus: Love God with all your heart and soul and might--and the second is like it, to love your brother as yourself. The rest of the law and the prophets depend on those to things.

Those are Old Testament values.

But Obama is just as much a DUer-Xian's brother as Sanders or Kerry or Trump. Most don't like thinking about that, though.

REP

(21,691 posts)
33. The post to which I was responding specifically mentioned the New Testament
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jul 2016

You can't be a Christian and reject the most basic of teachings in the New Testament


Leviticus was then quoted, and that is not from the New Testament.

Categorizing Sanders as a Christian is both incorrect and insulting as he is,in fact, a Jew. Jews don't need to be Christianized to be acceptable or good or anything.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
5. So a bunch of white, conservative, Republican voting Christians think they're discriminated against
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 12:39 PM
Jul 2016

These people have been at the forefront of privilege since day one. All this is, is their feelings of fragility being exposed. They're no longer feeling as if they're at the top of the heap and their ability to oppress those who aren't like themselves has been diminished due to greater levels of egalitarianism.

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

My heart aches for them.

 

Photographer

(1,142 posts)
7. Oh for fuck's sake.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016

The ignorance quotient of America seems to be rising on a daily basis. SMH. Guess they missed The Treaty of Tripoli.

FuzzyRabbit

(1,967 posts)
10. The reason "Christians" feel oppressed and discriminated against
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:17 PM
Jul 2016

is because they can no longer force their religion on everyone else.

rurallib

(62,411 posts)
27. yeah they can just not as blatantly as before maybe
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jul 2016

with an occasional bow to separation of church and state.

In Iowa this weekend we are having the bible read on the grounds of every one of our 99 courthouses. This was agreed to by the governor.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
16. If you won't believe what they believe ...
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jul 2016

... you are discriminating against them.

That's how they see it.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
25. It's always a shame when Fundamentalists are kept from harming others. How discriminatory!!!!!!
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jul 2016

I'm SERIES!!!!11111

RKP5637

(67,107 posts)
28. Probably because so many are so hateful and discriminatory toward others that
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jul 2016

some of it might splash back on them.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
31. Most American Christians have also been brainwashed by their preachers
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:12 PM
Jul 2016

I'll believe their claims of discrimination against them when I see American Christians actually persecuted right here in the USA.

I'll have to see the following practiced on a widespread basis to take their claims seriously:

1) On help wanted ads, "Conservative Christians need not apply."
2) We have the right to refuse service to conservative Christians
3) New kinds of sundown towns that deny conservative Christians the right to live there, with varying degrees of enforcement, legal and extralegal.
The list goes on.

Otherwise, it's nothing but whining about having yanked from them their license to dominate the culture, shove their warped beliefs down the throats of those who don't share them, and discriminate against people they don't like. Conservative Christianists need to face the reality that they're no longer absolute lords and masters and deal with it.

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