Some interesting details from Gretchen Carlson's sexual harassment case

[sufrommich]

against Roger Ailes:


According to the complaint, he “ogl[ed] Carlson in his office and ask[ed] her to turn around so he could view her posterior.” He noted that “certain outfits enhanced Carlson’s figure,” and urged her “to wear them every day.” He made repeated comments “about Carlson’s legs” (Ailes is apparently obsessed with his female anchors’ legs). He told her that “if he could choose one person to be stranded with on a desert island, she would be that person.” He told others, in her presence, that he had slept with “three former Miss Americas but not with her.” He told her she was “sexy,” but “too much hard work.” And he told her to lay off complaining about sexual harassment, accusing her of being “offended so God damn easy about everything.” This all comes on top of the headline quote: “I think you and I should have had a sexual relationship a long time ago and then you’d be good and better and I’d be good and better.”
The complaint, not surprisingly, makes working at Fox News sound like hell. In addition to being harassed by Ailes, Carlson claims she was abused by former Fox & Friends co-host Steve Doocy, who would allegedly mock her during commercial breaks and belittle her contributions to the show. (Yes, Steve Doocy is in the habit of mocking other people’s contributions to Fox & Friends.) But most disturbingly, the complaint suggests that Carlson was a rare female employee who didn’t defer to Ailes’s demands: Fox News, it says, “refused to provide her with anywhere near the level of network media support and promotion provided to other Fox News hosts who did not complain about harassment and rebuff his sexual advances.” How many women are we talking about here?

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/134894/details-gretchen-carlsons-sexual-harassment-suit-roger-ailes-creepy






There is no "she deserved it" case to be made for sexual harassment no matter how hateful the victim is. I'm just putting that out there before the inevitable posts about how unlikable she is.

[sufrommich]

5. I don't know and what difference does it make? nt

[Renew Deal]

8. Ultimately none

But she knew what was happening was wrong.

[eShirl]

12. Nothing left to lose. n/t

[TexasProgresive]

14. Why? Only she knows.

In my former workplace we had a supervisor who was a serial harasser. Most of us knew about it but few women made legal complaints. At most they might report it upstream but this guy was well connected. I personally saw him "accidentally" touch the breast of one naive young woman. That afternoon I asked her why she didn't stop him. she said, " I didn't know what to do." I think she was in shock. On other co-worker after he grabbed her butt slapped him in the groin with a ream of copy paper. He never messed with her again.

Finally a woman who worked for him got the evidence needed and filed an EEOC complaint against him and the company. He was gone before you could say WOW! The woman had no desire to continue employment and resigned. The friends of the perp would've made life difficult for her had she stayed.

[eggplant]

15. Blame the victim.

This sounds just like "Why didn't she put up more of a fight?" when a woman is raped.

[dbackjon]

37. Or it's her fault for dressing that way.

[eggplant]

40. Exactly.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

17. It may be (and I vaguely read) that she was fired because she complained. . . nt

[KelleyKramer]

43. Good grief, you didn't even read the post

The snip in the OP is not very long, but you didn't bother to read it, it says ....

And he told her to lay off complaining about sexual harassment, accusing her of being “offended so God damn easy about everything.”

.

So there ya go, she complained early and often.. happy now?

[Iggo]

2. Sexual harassment sucks. I hate Gretchen Carlson. Two separate issues.

[sufrommich]

3. Thank you. I agree.

[Lithos]

4. She's not the only one...

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/01/13/i-cant-see-her-legs-roger-ailes-rampant-sexism/197552

Too many items to list, but the leg fetish and overt sexism seems to be very well known and documented.

[sufrommich]

7. And yet he keeps getting away with it.

I hope her lawsuit finally puts an end to it.

[Lithos]

9. My understanding...

He's far from the worst one...

[sufrommich]

11. Really? I guess I haven't been paying attention.

Although I'm sure the other Fox News giant ,Bill O'Reilly,is just as bad and gets away with it too.

[840high]

6. I don't hate her - always found

her to be intelligent and well prepared.

[sufrommich]

10. And yet that moron Steve Doocy treated her like furniture

on the set,intellectual giant that he is.

[trumad]

19. Yeah---highly intelligent.

[passiveporcupine]

22. Not only that,

she used to play violin like a pro.

I wonder if she still plays.

I didn't know that, but this is impressive.

[840high]

34. Thanks. New to me.

[Kelvin Mace]

28. You and I have vastly different

standards for what passes for intelligence.

[840high]

35. Being and thinking

different makes the world interesting.

[Kelvin Mace]

36. Very true

[chknltl]

13. Can't believe i am rec-ing a Gretchen Carlson OP but ..

Go get him Gretchen! FOX has a lot of viewers, Ailes takes the word 'sleezeball' to a whole 'nother level and deserves to be made a VERY public example of.

[SheilaT]

16. She worked there how long?

And she's just NOW complaining?

Okay, so better late than never, but the problem with people like Ailes is that they need to be shut down the very first time they say or do anything.

[TryLogic]

20. A major aspect of sexual harassment is the power the perp has over the victim,

like employment, employability, and career, for example. I hope the suit nails his ass to the wall. (Incidentally, I am male and I have never been a victim -- or perp! I am just knowledgeable about these issues.)

[passiveporcupine]

23. These are not low wage jobs that women risk if confronting their attackers/bosses

And once you file a complaint like that, you may have trouble finding another job in the business.

I hope, for her sake, this is not the case. But I do hope she gets a job that is less "conservative". Maybe she is not who she appears to be on TV. We can only hope.

[Kelvin Mace]

27. Well, I would point out that the abuse will

come from the barking mad Fox viewers who will now turn on this woman and make her life a living Hell. And you can be sure that they will be stirred up by the Fox crowd.

Heresy is NEVER tolerated.

[smirkymonkey]

33. +1000

There is always that underlying "You'll never work in this town, industry, fill-in-the-blank again" threat. Sometimes it's not as easy as it seems to go up against it.

[dbackjon]

38. I had a boss that sexually harassed a female co-worker

We finally got him fired, and she got a nice settlement, but she was afraid to quit do to being a single mom, and the danger of not finding another job - this was 2008-09, when the economy was very poor.

Yeah, she could have quit right away, but why should SHE have to?

[smirkymonkey]

39. It's sad that sexual harassment puts so many people in such an unfortunate position.

Put up with the crap or lose your livelihood. Neither option is very appealing to most people.

[Ilsa]

41. Shutting them down is risky.

Maybe she was afraid she'd never work again in her field.

I hope she kicks his ass in court, and I hope the other women come forward and testify against that pervert.

[SheilaT]

42. She's Gretchen Carlson.

She's going to find work somewhere. Write a book, hit the lecture circuit.

Meanwhile, too many men acquiesce to harassment in the workplace. This is instructive:
http://www.indystar.com/story/life/2016/04/03/facebook-post-over-sexist-customers-goes-viral/82585676/
and a second link to the story:
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/5/1510797/-Brewery-owner-boots-sexist-customer-unleashes-must-read-rant-about-women-in-the-service-industry

You'll need to scroll down a few lines to get to the actual letter this man wrote. It can serve as a lesson to us all.

[skepticscott]

18. Not that she deserved any of this

But neither am I going to shed any tears. People who work for Fox News are scum, plain and simple. Roger Ailes is a whole different level of scum from the rank and file, to be sure, but the whole organization is despicable from top to bottom.

[Dreamer Tatum]

24. So, you're saying she did deserve it.

Why not own it?

[skepticscott]

30. Please stop trying

to stuff the word "deserve" in my mouth. I haven't said it and I'm not thinking it. But my sympathy meter ain't budging, either.

If you can point out the injustice in her having to live in the same world that she has been eagerly complicit in forcing on others, feel free. Personally, I don't see it.

[Dreamer Tatum]

31. When I see the word "but," I know to ignore everything before it. nt

[skepticscott]

32. And when people dodge direct challenges to provide evidence

I know they're full of shit and have nothing.

BTW, did you apply the same standard to this: Roger Ailes is a whole different level of scum from the rank and file, to be sure, but the whole organization is despicable from top to bottom.

[spanone]

21. K&R...

[bravenak]

25. I hope she wins big time

[Kelvin Mace]

26. Gosh, the irony....

I hope she recorded some of this. It would be the most "colorful" audio since Bill "LoufaMan" O'Reilly.

[Yavin4]

29. This explains why Ailes stood up for Megyn Kelly when Trump went after her

It wasn't principle. He was afraid that she would come after him as well.