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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:00 PM Jul 2016

I don't know if this fits here; but, I have questions about "Keylogging" ...

If Norton (or other protective software) identifies a site as a "keylogger", are the keystrokes captured for everyone clicking into the site, or does one have to log on to the site to be affected.

Second question: does the keystroke capture only apply to the strokes done on that site: or will, once "infected", the keystrokes continue to be captured whenever one types?

Third question: Once "infected", or suspected that one is "infected, what steps should be taken.

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I don't know if this fits here; but, I have questions about "Keylogging" ... (Original Post) 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 OP
A site, via malicious code that hijacks your browser and makes it run code you didn't want.. X_Digger Jul 2016 #1
Wouldn't out protect program detect and not allow? Does it happen just going into a site, or does seabeyond Jul 2016 #2
It's often served up as an ad. X_Digger Jul 2016 #5
Ok. Thank you for making this clear to me. Nt seabeyond Jul 2016 #6
What about this...yesterday after following a link to that anti-Hillary site, I heard on R B Garr Jul 2016 #4
Badly coded javascript can slow down your browser- (I've done that unintentionally a couple times).. X_Digger Jul 2016 #7
Ah, javascript. I remember that can be nasty. Thanks so much for the R B Garr Jul 2016 #19
No, I mean I've written javascript code that went into an endless loop and slowed my browser. :) n/t X_Digger Jul 2016 #24
Okay, I see what you mean. Well, I'm impressed that you write code. R B Garr Jul 2016 #27
And the one and only time I went on the site, my computer froze, just round and round seabeyond Jul 2016 #8
Wow, that is bad! Hmmm. Makes you wonder what is up with R B Garr Jul 2016 #20
You can use malwarebytes to scan for a keylogger. Rex Jul 2016 #9
+1 n/t X_Digger Jul 2016 #14
Thank you! Thank you to you and X-Digger. I tend to overlook these R B Garr Jul 2016 #23
Thanks for the link! Squinch Jul 2016 #31
Very welcome! I love malwarebytes, it is a great app. Rex Jul 2016 #43
I ran the scan and it didn't find any problems. Squinch Jul 2016 #50
Good to hear and that probably tells us all something. Nt seabeyond Jul 2016 #53
It was probably something in the thread or to an external link. Rex Jul 2016 #56
Okay, simplier question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #13
Not generally, no. X_Digger Jul 2016 #18
Ahhh ... Thanks. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #22
Would an antivirus software scan JavaScript for keylogging like scripts? joshcryer Jul 2016 #59
Any good antivirus worth its salt Separation Jul 2016 #61
Java Script, not Java. joshcryer Jul 2016 #62
oops you are correct! Separation Jul 2016 #66
Not really, no.. it's legitimate to sometimes catch keystrokes. X_Digger Jul 2016 #63
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. joshcryer Jul 2016 #64
Strange use of a keylogger, usually a company uses it to track what it's employees are doing Rex Jul 2016 #3
Why would anyone do this? What an invasion. Weird. But just clicking on the site seabeyond Jul 2016 #10
It could. Just clicking on the site could do it. Rex Jul 2016 #11
Really. Now a step further. seabeyond Jul 2016 #17
Correct, it is a well known anti-malware program. Rex Jul 2016 #38
Simplier question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #15
Yes if it is installed onto your computer already it can send back information Rex Jul 2016 #41
So it is unlikely to come FROM the site? Right? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #44
Right. They have zero reason to put a keylogger into their forums. Rex Jul 2016 #45
I just ran malwarebytes and it showed no problems. And I have Squinch Jul 2016 #52
Excellent! Did you scan your PC in safe mode? Rex Jul 2016 #55
I didn't. I'll try and do that tonight. Squinch Jul 2016 #57
Awesome, I hope it comes back clean again. Rex Jul 2016 #58
Most can be accessed remotely Warpy Jul 2016 #12
Okay. Simplier question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #16
Everything you hit on your keyboard can be logged Warpy Jul 2016 #25
I have read every reply and am a little concerned. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #21
I read yesterday that a DUer's Norton program ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #28
(if I understand what they wrote.). I know right? Is this stuff as tough for you seabeyond Jul 2016 #30
Yep ... But then, I still need BabyGirl to program the clock on my VCR! 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #32
So fuggin' Laughing my ass off. Ah ha. Son does the clock in my car, or I go from one seabeyond Jul 2016 #33
You, too? Fortunately, I live in Arizona ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #35
Too funny StrongBlackMan. This really does surprise me about you, But.... seabeyond Jul 2016 #36
I am a quick study on all things, except tech stuff; but, BabyGirl fills that gap. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #39
The clock in my car is correct half the year FuzzyRabbit Jul 2016 #46
I thought I was the only one still using a VCR. FuzzyRabbit Jul 2016 #37
So YOU are the one checking out all the good videos before I get there! Stop it! 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #40
Ya, see, I didn't laugh at him for that. You get that, right? I didn't know anyone still used a seabeyond Jul 2016 #42
Couple days ago someone asked if said site had a keylogger.I had only the vaguest idea what that was Hekate Jul 2016 #29
online keylogger seems to be big for checking up on cheating spouses womanofthehills Jul 2016 #60
Good Q&A. Bookmarking. Hekate Jul 2016 #26
You can pick up a keylogger from a web site Kelvin Mace Jul 2016 #34
Just remember folks, if you do scan your computer, do so in SAFE MODE. Rex Jul 2016 #47
So, you did not state the obvious. Is it easy to find safe mode and make it do it from seabeyond Jul 2016 #48
When you start the computer, there is a brief moment loading the OS Rex Jul 2016 #49
I get this Rex. I get exactly what you are saying. Thank you. Now I want to try, just cause, lol. Nt seabeyond Jul 2016 #51
Excellent, you might be surprised what the anti-malware program finds. Rex Jul 2016 #54
Simple- just uninstall Windows 10 Prisoner_Number_Six Jul 2016 #65

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
1. A site, via malicious code that hijacks your browser and makes it run code you didn't want..
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jul 2016

.. can cause a keylogging program to be installed. This is usually also accompanied by a remote access program.

The keylogging program works for anyone who sits down at the computer, regardless of application or website visited.

Typically such infected machines 'phone home' to a server in some remote country, letting the hackers know that they've got a live fish on the hook.

Then hackers will wait and check the keylogger. Once you've logged onto your bank's site, or keyed your credit card into an e-commerce site.. bingo. Then next time the hackers check in, they have all your account info / credit cards.

To fix.. I recommend a couple of products-- malwarebytes anti-malware is a good start. Norton's internet protect product is also of good quality.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
2. Wouldn't out protect program detect and not allow? Does it happen just going into a site, or does
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jul 2016

one have to register for the site?

Remember you are talking to a computer stupid person. I do not know most of the language for computers.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
5. It's often served up as an ad.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jul 2016

When you accidentally click on the link for the ad, you get redirected to some third site that hosts the malicious code. These things are damned tricky. They'll try multiple attack methods trying to find a bit of software that's vulnerable to being exploited.

Good software like Norton's will frequently stop the attack. But it's an arms race between hackers and protection companies. Unfortunately, protection companies aren't always pro-active-- they're more often responding to new attacks in a reactive scenario.

After all, they can't imagine every attack vector ahead of time.

You don't typically have to register for a site to be served up an ad that leads to malicious code, no.

I also recommend adblock plus; I can't recall the last time I saw an ad.

R B Garr

(17,011 posts)
4. What about this...yesterday after following a link to that anti-Hillary site, I heard on
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jul 2016

my laptop a couple weird kind of beeps, and then for a short time, my typing was sort of ghosted and slowed down. I'm sure that's an awful description, but it was a strange and different. I actually had the same type question as the OP. Is there a sign to see if this has happened, like checking an installation or something? I'm probably reading too much into what happened, but that site is malicious in general.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
7. Badly coded javascript can slow down your browser- (I've done that unintentionally a couple times)..
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jul 2016

And that usually manifests as your browser being slow to respond to clicks or typing..

I recommend that if you have any concerns, run a scan with windows defender (likely already installed if you have a recent MS OS) as well as malwarebytes (their free version is great.)

R B Garr

(17,011 posts)
19. Ah, javascript. I remember that can be nasty. Thanks so much for the
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jul 2016

explanation. When you say that you've done it unintentionally a couple times (javascript), do you mean you clicked on a link that turned bad? Years ago I remember a brand new computer was ruined by clicking on a Java icon I thought was supposed to enhance my new machine, but it seized it up and destroyed it. Fortunately, the company where I bought it exchanged it out and the man that helped us said that Java problem is very common.

Thanks again for the suggestions!

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
24. No, I mean I've written javascript code that went into an endless loop and slowed my browser. :) n/t
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jul 2016
 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. And the one and only time I went on the site, my computer froze, just round and round
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jul 2016

until I got clicked out. And ya, the kinda shadow thing on the Op I had clicked to.

R B Garr

(17,011 posts)
23. Thank you! Thank you to you and X-Digger. I tend to overlook these
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jul 2016

type security things. Excellent information!

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
56. It was probably something in the thread or to an external link.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jul 2016

JRP might not have any real security like DU does. I dunno, but I am not surprised they had some malware on their site.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
13. Okay, simplier question ...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jul 2016

If I click on a link taking me to a website, or enter a website directly, can my keystrokes be logged?

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
18. Not generally, no.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jul 2016

Just visiting a site doesn't enable the site to track your keystrokes. It can track everything that you click on as pertains to that site- e.g. On 2016-07-12 at 13:33:00, the user at ip address 123.123.123.123 requested the resource "/images/favicon.ico". The browser was chome, and it appears that the machine is a PC.

If a site has been hijacked and loaded up with malicous code that tries to infect your computer by exploiting your browser, or if that site serves up ads that leads to sites that do the same.. then a key logger might be one of the things that hackers will try to install.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
59. Would an antivirus software scan JavaScript for keylogging like scripts?
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:57 PM
Jul 2016

I can see such a script running in the background of webpages (though only when the browser was in focus), but it seems too complicated for Norton to detect.

I suspect an ad served it to the user as opposed to something else.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
63. Not really, no.. it's legitimate to sometimes catch keystrokes.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jul 2016

If I want to prevent a form from submitting when a user hits the enter key (I might want to force them to hit the 'go' button), I might trap all keystrokes and ignore the enter key.

I also might put something on a search box that does type-ahead predictions, a la google. As you type in a search box, I might make a javascript call back to the server to pre-fetch search results, or other search results starting with the same string.

joshcryer

(62,287 posts)
64. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jul 2016

Probably just some ad serving malware. I get those from time to time (even with unlock origin).

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
3. Strange use of a keylogger, usually a company uses it to track what it's employees are doing
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jul 2016

on the clock. I guess they are tracking what their members are doing when they are active.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
10. Why would anyone do this? What an invasion. Weird. But just clicking on the site
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jul 2016

doesn't do it?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
11. It could. Just clicking on the site could do it.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jul 2016

They can have all kinds of scripts running. I am now wary of that site after hearing this bit of information.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
17. Really. Now a step further.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jul 2016

Remember computer stupid. I remember yrs back something popping up about taking care of malware but really it was to infest one with malware adn I was told to never click on that. So, the site that you gave to check things, cause no harm, correct?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
38. Correct, it is a well known anti-malware program.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jul 2016

However if you use it, it is recommended to always scan a computer in safe mode.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. Simplier question ...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:29 PM
Jul 2016

If I click on a link taking me to a website, or enter a website directly, can my keystrokes be logged?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
41. Yes if it is installed onto your computer already it can send back information
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jul 2016

to the source of the spyware. Keyloggers are justifiable application when used by an IT department, but there is ZERO reason to have a keylogger on a forum.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
45. Right. They have zero reason to put a keylogger into their forums.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jul 2016

They would be liable for the damages caused and I doubt their TOS mentions it at all. That's not to say someone didn't infect their site, they might not have a clue I don't know if they know about intruder detection-prevention programs.

Squinch

(51,084 posts)
52. I just ran malwarebytes and it showed no problems. And I have
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jul 2016

looked at JPR a couple of times since the threadapalooza.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
55. Excellent! Did you scan your PC in safe mode?
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jul 2016

Sometimes malware can hide in regular mode. Safe mode makes it a lot harder for viruses to move around.

JPR might have a keylogger in a link to another site or it could be as easy as being in a picture you like that someone posted so you click on it or DL it for yourself.

People that put links to external sites could also have infections, it is hard to know since there are so many ways to get malware.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
58. Awesome, I hope it comes back clean again.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jul 2016

Also JPR is a new site, so people might be trying to see what exploits are easily available. I'd avoid the place, I signed up during our Epic thread to see what it was all about - but I will be cautious about going back there. I trust DU and DI software, JPR is new and untested imo.

Warpy

(111,439 posts)
12. Most can be accessed remotely
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jul 2016

All of the malware can as long as your machine is on, and sometimes when it's off or in sleep mode.

Removing one depends on which one you have. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista-security/how-to-detect-if-a-keylogger-is-installed/d14c6cd6-6975-4b25-a2c5-17e5de194b50?auth=1

Next, plug its name into "remove ____" in Le Google. Follow instructions.

Most password and login stealing asswipes have moved to screen capture these days, but a few are still surfing keyloggers.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
16. Okay. Simplier question ...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jul 2016

If I click on a link taking me to a website, or enter a website directly, can my keystrokes be logged?

Warpy

(111,439 posts)
25. Everything you hit on your keyboard can be logged
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:39 PM
Jul 2016

To be fair, most of these things are used by employers who want to make sure their office people aren't screwing off on Facebook instead of doing their jobs.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
21. I have read every reply and am a little concerned.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

Two replies make me think your question is about a link to a site found on DU. That this is more specific than you are making it out to be. Did I just go conspiracy theory on your op or am I a decent reader between the lines. lol.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
28. I read yesterday that a DUer's Norton program ...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jul 2016

indicated that a site that has been posted on DU, with a link to it, is a "Keylogger" site.

Having followed the link to the site, I am trying to assess my risk.

A DUer has responded that the risk is not very high (if I understand what they wrote.)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
30. (if I understand what they wrote.). I know right? Is this stuff as tough for you
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jul 2016

as it is for me, like another language, lol and only picking up words here and there?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
33. So fuggin' Laughing my ass off. Ah ha. Son does the clock in my car, or I go from one
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jul 2016

time change to another, adding or subtracting.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
35. You, too? Fortunately, I live in Arizona ...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jul 2016

a state that doesn't do day light savings time.

But, my car clock has run 25 minutes fast ... so, I do do the subtracting thing!

My wife has a navigation system in her car ... when we're on the road, I use the app BabyGirl added to my phone.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
36. Too funny StrongBlackMan. This really does surprise me about you, But....
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jul 2016

it is so endearing and keeps that babygirl close, feeling protective of you and taking care of you. Too too cute. Lol. Thanks for the giggle in the middle of my day.

FuzzyRabbit

(1,970 posts)
46. The clock in my car is correct half the year
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jul 2016

and one hour late half the year. I am so used to it that if I set it to daylight savings time I would probably be an hour late every time I drove somewhere during the summer.

Or an hour early, I am not sure which. Damn, life can be so confusing!

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
42. Ya, see, I didn't laugh at him for that. You get that, right? I didn't know anyone still used a
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:13 PM
Jul 2016

VCR. But then he is probably using a dvd'er and just showing his age.

Hekate

(91,005 posts)
29. Couple days ago someone asked if said site had a keylogger.I had only the vaguest idea what that was
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jul 2016

As a consequence, I am interested in this Q&A and am bookmarking it because I think it has general applications to computer use in these times.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
34. You can pick up a keylogger from a web site
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jul 2016

in some cases, or via email attachment. Some type of file.

2) Keyloggers are client software that record all your keystrokes and report them back to a server.


3) Go here to start:

http://housecall.trendmicro.com/uk/

Free and online, though a clean bill of health is not a sure thing.


So, then go to a trusted machine and download this open source AV package:

http://www.clamwin.com/

Boot your computer from your original Windows CD into safe mode and run this software to check your system. If it passes, you are clean with about 99.99% certainty (Hey, who knows what the CIA is up to these days.<g&gt

I personally recommend using Firefox running the NoScript, Ghostery, and Privacy Badger addons. This has kept me safe for a long time.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
47. Just remember folks, if you do scan your computer, do so in SAFE MODE.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jul 2016

Safe mode does not load up anything but key files and makes it harder for a virus to move around while being scanned. The BEST way to scan for a virus, is to do so from a flashdrive - for advanced users I recommend Linux Bit-Defender. The Windows OS does not even load up so there is no chance for a virus to morph-move around during a scan.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
48. So, you did not state the obvious. Is it easy to find safe mode and make it do it from
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:32 PM
Jul 2016

safe mode? I was going to ask before and decided wasn't that important, but here you are talking about it again. Where is my safe mode?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
49. When you start the computer, there is a brief moment loading the OS
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jul 2016

you have to hit F8 during this moment (I know, what the hell Rex) and if you do so successfully, a screen will pop up giving you a lot of options. At the very top is safe mode, well you want to go down the list to 'safe mode with networking' click on that option and the computer will load into safe mode.

The period for clicking the F8 button is right after the computer starts up and load CMOS, so the time is dependent on the speed of the motherboard.

I probably didn't explain that very well here is MS instructions on how to go into safemode;

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/17419/windows-7-advanced-startup-options-safe-mode


Do one of the following:

If your computer has a single operating system installed, press and hold the F8 key as your computer restarts. You need to press F8 before the Windows logo appears. If the Windows logo appears, you'll need to try again by waiting until the Windows logon prompt appears, and then shutting down and restarting your computer.

If your computer has more than one operating system, use the arrow keys to highlight the operating system you want to start in safe mode, and then press F8.

On the Advanced Boot Options screen, use the arrow keys to highlight the safe mode option you want, and then press Enter.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
51. I get this Rex. I get exactly what you are saying. Thank you. Now I want to try, just cause, lol. Nt
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jul 2016
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
54. Excellent, you might be surprised what the anti-malware program finds.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:45 PM
Jul 2016

Some things like annoying adware to backdoor bootleg servers, it is amazing what can find its way onto your PC without you knowing about it.

Goodluck sea, let us know what you find...hopefully your system will come back clean.

Prisoner_Number_Six

(15,676 posts)
65. Simple- just uninstall Windows 10
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jul 2016

It has a gov't accessible keystroke logger built into the OS. By accepting the license you agree to its use for any reason they choose.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=windows+10+keystroke+logger

The above posts give good info on killing them on earlier versions of Win.

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