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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCNN versus Faux news on Turkey Coup
CNN is saying this is bad for the world, and the west.
Faux News is saying the current leader of Turkey is Pro Isis, and this is great for the west
and the USA.
I have no idea???
Whos right?
Warpy
(111,256 posts)They've been fairly decent, even mentioning the Gulenists as possible backers of this coup. Either they have some reasonably erudite people on staff or they're getting educated very quickly by the Turks they're interviewing.
flyingfysh
(1,990 posts)I'd have to check my facts, I can't be sure. The situation is complicated by the fact that Turkey has been having a long fight with the Kurds, some of whom live in Turkey.
David__77
(23,396 posts)I think the military has a secular tradition. I hope that if these are secular-minded officers that their seizure of power is successful.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the coup failed.
I was once invited to visit friends of a friend in Istanbul, two really nice sisters. I didn't go and lost track of them, and at times like this I always wonder how they're doing. They had no close family and both worked. An acquaintance here spent years trying to get her sister and mother out of Iran. They were not allowed to work or even go out shopping without a male, but their family neglected them and the problems and unhappiness of their forced imprisonment in their home were severe.
okwmember
(345 posts)earlier this evening that it is written in the Turkish constitution that the military is responsible for maintaining a secular
government and country. He said this was the argument the military was attempting to make in explaining why
they believed their actions to be legal.
840high
(17,196 posts)Different Drummer
(7,615 posts)anything coming from Faux, I'd be inclined to believe CNN's take.
Dretownblues
(253 posts)The military has conducted several coups to restore aSecular goverment in Turkey when it starts to lean too far Islamic.
AntiBank
(1,339 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)The Donald is absolutely clueless and no matter what his
advisors tell him, he's sure to say something foolish.
flyingfysh
(1,990 posts)since the US military has been operating in Turkey to fight ISIS. But there is the oil money from ISIS to consider, probably. It sounds like a muddy situation.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)kimbutgar
(21,147 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,315 posts)The Associated Press reported Friday that the Turkish military had "fully seized control of the country."
Obama and Kerry "agreed that all parties in Turkey should support the democratically-elected government of Turkey, show restraint, and avoid any violence or bloodshed," the call summary stated.
In a statement, Kerry said that he had spoken to the Turkish foreign minister and "emphasized the United States absolute support" for the country's government and democratic institutions. "The secretary underscored that the State Department will continue to focus on the safety and security of U.S. citizens in Turkey," the White House said. "The president asked the secretary to continue to keep him updated as the situation unfolds."
- See more at: http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/reports-military-coup-underway-turkey#sthash.IZUc1NQV.dpuf
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Broken clock syndrome
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)teach1st
(5,935 posts)Here's some background from a May 30th "Foreign Affairs" article, Turkey's Next Military Coup.
StraightRazor
(260 posts)the more I watch CNN or MSNBC the less I (and they it seems) appear to know.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)from Haaretz: http://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/turkey/1.731225
Here is the Euronews site: http://www.euronews.com/ Here's the most recent update from there: http://www.euronews.com/2016/07/16/istanbul-bosphorus-bridge-and-fatih-sultan-mehmet-bridge-closed-by-turkish/
Things still sound very confused, with conflicting reports.
It is not good generally for anyone to have more instability anywhere in the ME. F*** Fox!
I was in Turkey about six weeks ago for a couple weeks. It's a fascinating country and its people are wonderful and cosmopolitan in the urban areas, and genuinely nice in rural areas. They are also ethnically and culturally mixed. Although the country is about 98% Muslim, the government controls the religion, not vice versa, and its society is both tolerant and accepting generally. In many ways, it is in much better shape all-round than several so-called democracies in Eastern and Mediterranean Europe, at least per my firsthand impressions which involved travel to Istanbul, and various sites in Cappadocia and Antalya, as well as to Mediterranean and Aegean beach areas. The less economically advantaged regions are in the east and I can't speak for those areas.
We didn't see conflict zones or refugee camps, although we did see several Syrian refugees near Kusadasa and Izmir and met volunteers (Turks and other nationalities) who were returning from work with refugees in the camps. We also met Turks in rural areas who had opened their homes and given shelter and employment to Syrian refugees.
I so hope that this clears up soon one way or another. Turkey as a country is proudly invested in "democracy" even though that same democracy has become more accepting of previously banned Islamic practices (e.g., headscarves, etc.) in recent years and liberal Turks have been watching the trends like hawks.
Exilednight
(9,359 posts)Turkey's president is more closely aligned with the idea of Turkey being a Muslim state (there Constitution bans government sanctioned religion) but he's not necessarily a militant. I would argue that he's more sympathetic to ISIS rather than being a supporter.
The military has overthrown the elected government on several occasions. This is the 5th one since 1960, but each time the military has turned control back over to civilian authorities. This one is not that much different.
mahina
(17,652 posts)The whole good guys/bad guys paradigm is strained.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)... some hours ago so I forget who it was....
That people in the Pentagon were probably popping open the champagne at the prospect of the Military taking over Turkey (paraphrased poorly).
My take on it at this point is that if you think mindless military expansion in the Middle East is good for the world then FOX is right.
If not, then CNN.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)Any outcome would be Obama's fault.
If the coup fails, it is a "missed opportunity" to defeat ISIS
If it succeeds, "NATO is in peril"
In any event, a democratically elected government is best replaced by the same process that put it in place to begin with.