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kpete

(71,991 posts)
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 07:59 AM Jul 2016

BEING HONEST ABOUT TRUMP By Adam Gopnik

As I have written before, to call him a fascist of some variety is simply to use a historical label that fits. The arguments about whether he meets every point in some static fascism matrix show a misunderstanding of what that ideology involves. It is the essence of fascism to have no single fixed form—an attenuated form of nationalism in its basic nature, it naturally takes on the colors and practices of each nation it infects. In Italy, it is bombastic and neoclassical in form; in Spain, Catholic and religious; in Germany, violent and romantic. It took forms still crazier and more feverishly sinister, if one can imagine, in Romania, whereas under Oswald Mosley, in England, its manner was predictably paternalistic and aristocratic. It is no surprise that the American face of fascism would take on the forms of celebrity television and the casino greeter’s come-on, since that is as much our symbolic scene as nostalgic re-creations of Roman splendors once were Italy’s.

What all forms of fascism have in common is the glorification of the nation, and the exaggeration of its humiliations, with violence promised to its enemies, at home and abroad; the worship of power wherever it appears and whoever holds it; contempt for the rule of law and for reason; unashamed employment of repeated lies as a rhetorical strategy; and a promise of vengeance for those who feel themselves disempowered by history. It promises to turn back time and take no prisoners. That it can appeal to those who do not understand its consequences is doubtless true. But the first job of those who do understand is to state what those consequences invariably are. Those who think that the underlying institutions of American government are immunized against it fail to understand history. In every historical situation where a leader of Trump’s kind comes to power, normal safeguards collapse. Ours are older and therefore stronger? Watching the rapid collapse of the Republican Party is not an encouraging rehearsal. Donald Trump has a chance to seize power.

Hillary Clinton is an ordinary liberal politician. She has her faults, easily described, often documented—though, for the most part, the worst accusations against her have turned out to be fiction. No reasonable person, no matter how opposed to her politics, can believe for a second that Clinton’s accession to power would be a threat to the Constitution or the continuation of American democracy. No reasonable person can believe that Trump’s accession to power would not be.


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BEING HONEST ABOUT TRUMP By Adam Gopnik (Original Post) kpete Jul 2016 OP
So Fascism reflects the ID of a People/nation ! Her Sister Jul 2016 #1
Trump just lost the "New Yorker" vote EL34x4 Jul 2016 #2
ummm Cryptoad Jul 2016 #4
lol! Her Sister Jul 2016 #5
No. It's just every time I read this stuff... EL34x4 Jul 2016 #6
So you're saying that the New Yorker should write for people who don't read it? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #8
Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed. EL34x4 Jul 2016 #9
"Nobody"? CBHagman Jul 2016 #7
K&R... spanone Jul 2016 #3
 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
1. So Fascism reflects the ID of a People/nation !
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 08:23 AM
Jul 2016
the part of the mind in which innate instinctive impulses and primary processes are manifest.


the part of the psyche associated with instinctual, repressed, or antisocial desires, usually sexual or aggressive. In its efforts to satisfy these desires, the id comes into conflict with the social and practical constraints enforced by the ego and superego.


that is completely unconscious and is the source of psychic energy derived from instinctual needs and drives


 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
2. Trump just lost the "New Yorker" vote
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:03 AM
Jul 2016

From the opening sentence (excerpted), Gopnik's article drips with the smarmy liberal elitism that is driving voters to Donald Trump in the first place. Fortunately, nobody but those already solidly in Hillary Clinton's camp will ever read it.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
6. No. It's just every time I read this stuff...
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jul 2016

...I can't help but think, "people just aren't getting the message."

When you open your article with: "The best show in New York right now may be the Guggenheim’s retrospective of the work of László Moholy-Nagy (pronounced “nadge,” not “nadgy,” a lesson hard learned)." and then proceed to blast Trump (and by association, his supporters) for being a fascist, you're just not fucking getting it.

Pardon my language but Gopnik is clueless and not helping at all. Maybe he needs to take a sabbatical until after the election.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
8. So you're saying that the New Yorker should write for people who don't read it?
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 09:50 AM
Jul 2016

What is wrong with someone making an argument that will resonate with his readership?

Here's an example of who this is aimed at: people in the media who think they can cover Trump as just another candidate. If they wake up and see Trump for the fascist he is, this will help defeat him.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
9. Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 10:17 AM
Jul 2016

It's just as soon as I read that first sentence, my immediate thought was, "This guy has never so much as spoken to a Trump voter."

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