The problem with Bernie supporters? Don't they get it?

[c-ville rook]

They are pissed. That is it.

We found out a mere 48 or so hours ago that the DNC did keep its thumb on the scale or it sure wanted to.

HRC supporters will go -- "Just emails. There is no evidence anything really happened."

Maybe, but they said the DNC was neutral too and that was not so. See this lovely smoking gun.

It probably would not have made a difference one way or another -- and I actually believe that, mostly -- however, then why do it? HRC supporters will never be able to prove that it made no difference. And Bernie supporters will not be able to prove the inverse. You cannot rewind time.

But here is why you are likely to lose more Bernie supporters than you'd like.

Because HRC Democrats are blaming them for the disarray at the Convention. I have been looking through posts and other than the occasional Bernie supporter (like myself) making a comment no one seems to be blaming the DNC leadership for this debacle of their own making. Hell, one person is sending the aggrieved Debbie Wasserman-Schultz a contribution because of it. I have seen almost no harsh words aimed at the leadership and I am pretty sure I know why.

But until the DNC accepts responsibility -- and yes they issued an apology but then went right on the attack against the people they just apologized to -- and I get that it could not happen at a worse time -- but that is not an apology or accepting responsibility -- know you are no going to change all hearts and minds with this tact. And smirk or not that is not going to help the party come the election.

If you know a Bernie supporter ask them, "If after the election they believe the DNC will move to address the issues necessary to fix this perception problem?" Even the ones like me -- who will vote Democrat down the ticket -- will say "no". I bet to a person. Or they will say nothing and that silence is really the deafening answer you should worry about. Because their gone. The screamers and those with any answer are probably just processing.

How do you fix that? To be fair, that is a tough job and I have no clue. But that is not my job -- that is the job of the DNC and presumptive nominee.

However, first quit blaming us. Or at least spread some of it around.

You might be surprised how quickly the ire and flames die down.

[democrattotheend]

1. I blame the DNC leadership

But I also think that leaks or no leaks, some of these people were there to reek havoc. They give all Bernie supporters a bad name.

[c-ville rook]

2. As I said we Bernie supporters do

And like I said, and as you are, spread it around to where it belongs.

[Matrosov]

3. I blame those with backward priorities

Now is not the time for more in-fighting. We can save that until after November. The ones who insist on protesting, booing, and seeking more conflict either don't realize - or worse, don't care - the only person they are helping with this is not Sanders but Trump.

Edited to add that I supported Sanders during the primaries. However, my personal feelings about DNC treatment toward him don't matter right now.

[davidn3600]

5. Oh sure...

After you get the candidate you wanted and all the policies you wanted and have all the power for the next 4-8 years....

...then you will be open to talk about change.

Sure.

Is that before or after TPP gets pushed though?

[Matrosov]

7. I didn't get the candidate I wanted

But that's not going to change now. Will someone wave a magic wand on Thursday and make Sanders the nominee? No.

We can talk about everything starting on November 9. Until then the protests and other in-fighting are counterproductive.

[Sgent]

8. We (the grassroots) got Howard Dean elected

as DNC chair when he wasn't wanted by the establishment. You can make changes.

[jtunes]

4. Frankly, I think it's idiotic to demand 'Bow now before Hillary and swear allegiance, or be forever

ostracized by us'

whatever happened with the emails, the important thing is, the DNC isn't denying they are authentic, and they never should have been written in the first place - that's the real issue

you need their vote in a little over 3 months, you don't need it right now

whenever you tell someone 'It's our way, right now, or the highway!!', they'll as often as not, take the highway

any point you make about Trump, they'll most likely figure it out for themselves, and figure it out more quickly if it isn't shoved down their throats - and who knows, Trump may do himself in and implode before Nov anyway

[Old Codger]

6. What pile N/T

[Warren DeMontague]

9. "....C'mon, Democrats, let's all fight with each other! Now, Who's with me?"

hey, by the way:

The primary-season framing of "Hillary Supporters" vs "Bernie Supporters" is a thing of the past

sorry, this "Bernie supporter" is not playing.

[Blue_Tires]

10. You'll get over it...

Now do us all a favor and try getting pissed off a Trump for once in your life.

[c-ville rook]

11. We are

and that is about the only reason HRC will get the number of votes she does.

If the opposing candidate was vaguely sane I think you would have a bigger problem. And insanity of the opposing candidate is hardly a hook to hang your hat on.

And again this issue is on the DNC leadership, not those wronged by them.

[GulfCoast66]

12. And until 48 hours ago

They were going to be all Kum-bye-ya?

Give me a break. A small percentage of them never planned on supporting Clinton and are there expressly to raise hell.

Fortunately they are so gobsmacked by Bernie doing exactly what he said he would do the are paralyzed.

They had convinced themselves that Bernie would never endorse Clinton even less be the one declaring her the nominee.

We have our nominee. Time to stop these silly 'but our feelings!' posts.

[JudyM]

14. Way to completely prove the OP's point.

[GulfCoast66]

16. Oh please

The old devil made me do it thing.


We have a nominee. I liked both canidates. But I am over those wanting keep fighting the primary.

Since you are here I assume you are voting for Clinton. Why even bring the Bernie stuff up?

[JudyM]

20. You read the OP and didn't get it, so no point in any further attempt to answer.

[Todays_Illusion]

13. I don't think any really truly liberal economic or political ideas will escape the convention.

I think Hillary voters know they are getting a corporate pleasing wage suppressing kind of leader.

[JudyM]

15. Wow, try selling that to her supporters here.

[BigDemVoter]

18. You've watched too much Fox news.

[JudyM]

17. Well said and very accurate. The DNC wouldn't give a rip about this if the vote wasn't going to be

so close. They've been flipping Bernie's campaign off, trying their best to disable it in a variety of ways that are being chronicled in court and out, more will come out. It was absolutely intentional.m and some here say well why shouldn't they, Bernie has been an Indie for years, he's not really "one of us."

What The DNC should do is create a transparent process for ensuring berniecrat candidates, including challengers like Tim Canova, receive as much support as establishment candidates.

[BigDemVoter]

19. But they weren't Dems. And the Democratic Party will obviously support Dems.

It's that simple. Get over it.

[JudyM]

21. Since your post makes no sense I will get over that.