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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow many Trump supporters have changed their minds because of yesterday's remarks?
My guess would be "very few".
Those that criticized him had no plans on supporting him anyway.
This is the monster that the Republicans have created. They have no control over "it".
Their unquestioned support for guns, under any and all circumstances, is the cornerstone for the political philosophy of Trump supporters. It was given birth and has been nourished for many years by the Republican Party.
Their distrust and hatred of the "liberal media" was created and propagated by the Republican Party. The Trump supporters do not hesitate to use it as an excuse any time their actions are questioned.
Their hatred of "big government" began with Ronald Reagan. It is a major component of their opposition to Democrats and "liberals". Everyone is sponging off the "government" except them. The Republicans need only to look in the mirror when they espouse their hatred of "big government".
Republicans need look no further than themselves for wars and violence around the world, especially the Middle East. They are quicker than anyone to send our troops into harm's way, so long as they do not have to go personally. It is a brainset that they have promoted for many years.
All the problems that they profess is wrong with our country can be traced to the Republican Party and their lies and deceptions over the years. They have been very effective at blaming others for their own failings.
Our country's huge deficits and inadequate tax base can be laid at the feet of the Republican Party. They alone are to blame for our crumbling infrastructure. And they look aghast at the insane and destructive ideas of the Trump supporters.
There comes a time when the piper must be paid his dues. Nothing could be better or more beneficial for our nation than if the present Republican Party was swept into the dustbin of history.
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Stuart G
(38,427 posts)Say Trump was at about 40 percent before the comment..now I believe the best he can do is 38/37 percent..
So, maybe 3 percent of those that supported him before the comment, now see the truth.."unfit to be President of the United States"....I think those are solid and will not go back. I believe that no matter how Republicans paint the picture and try to sway people back, it is clear that he is not fit to hold that or any office..
Why 37 percent support?....37 percent is what that partly will get no matter what.
It is what Hitler got in his election.
It is about what Akin got in his election after the rape comment...(He got 39 percent, but I think this comment of Trump, about the 2nd Amendment in some ways is worse)
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The rest of the country will not vote for Trump under any circumstances.. That is my opinion..
Bucky
(54,013 posts)Your optimism is all well and good. But there will be adjustments by Republican strategists between now and October. The risk now isn't a Clinton presidency. The real risk now is Gary Johnson and the Libertarians reaching a "tipping point". Over a dozen GOP members of Congress are now openly saying they won't vote for Trump, and about half are saying they're voting for Johnson, a pothead.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/donald-trump-republican-opposition/
They HAVE to adjust. Clinton, at her worst, will only give the GOP a mid-term surge, just like they got from the last 3 Democratic presidents. Johnson climbing up to 20% in the polls will present the party with an existential threat. BTW, Johnson recently flipped to "pro" on the TPP treaty. My guess is that has everything to do with Koch money.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)Stuart G
(38,427 posts)A small percent of Trumpians will see the light. Not many but some..Too many leading Republicans are saying he crossed the line...It won't be a majority of those already committed to Trump, but for some, this is the last straw..
and that "some" could be important, but we do not know because it is still early..
If people talk with each other about the comment honestly, and at length, Trump will lose "some"..Combined with his other comments, I believe this comment is really important.
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)only because he's the only one with an (R) after his name might be able to process this. As far as what i consider his supporters. I think it's closer to 000.8% (as said by many many people, whose names I will not say nor will I back up in any way ). But let's hope you're right and my lack of confidence in our citizenry is overblown. I'd have no problem being wrong on this one.
Stuart G
(38,427 posts)took me a long time to figure out how wrong I can be on some things. That is ok, I just apologize and move on..This is a blog of sorts. I am right on some issues, and wrong on some issues..Oh well.....
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)100% of the time ......I almost managed to type that with a straight face.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)I believe Trump is providing a window into what rich people say among themselves in their country club watering holes.
I worked with a highly educated R who had been the mayor of a local town who absoutely insisted that the Clintons had people murdered. "That's how politics works" said they.
kimbutgar
(21,153 posts)Matrosov
(1,098 posts)..Mr Trump only joked about having someone assassinated,' a Trump-loving coworker told me this morning.
Arkansas Granny
(31,517 posts)made them more likely to support him. A bunch of morons, IMO.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Who don't want to be associated with the militia types but want to be able to purchase and own guns.
*yes they exist.
procon
(15,805 posts)we are all the product of our environment. It is Aristotle's tabula rasa, we begin as a blank slate and our character, values and perceptions are shaped by everything we are surrounded by. For Republicans who cocoon themselves with the constant themes of fear, suspicion, violence and hate, their perceived 'enemies' are a very real threat to their survival.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)The military and veterans. There is no doubt that right-wing thought is well-represented in the training and philosophy of the US armed forces. Some rode it straight to the top, as General Flynn demonstrates.
But at this point virtually all of them have first- or second-hand experience of combat against small-minded far-right religious fanatics who justify any act of violence to suit their own ends. They've seen it kill their friends and destroy minds and bodies. They know that civil war is a zero-gain undertaking in which everyone loses.
I think many veteran voters will find the comparison between those people and Trumpublicans to be obvious and undeniable and, in combination with his excoriable attacks on the Khan family, this may be the incident which finally sways their opinions. I expect that there will be a wave of concurrence among veterans and veterans' groups that they cannot support the very kind of people they have devoted themselves to fighting across the globe.
blogslut
(38,000 posts)However, among those who vote GOP no matter what, hard to say but my hope is those people will stay home in droves come election day.
I keep remembering early voting in my district this past primary. The turnout was huge. In comparison, it was twice as many republicans voting than in 2012 and almost twice that many that voted in 2008. Ted Cruz won the district with 51% and Trump got 21%.
My district is the 13th district of Texas. The most GOP district in the nation.
spanone
(135,838 posts)his followers are haters who have always been out there, but never had a voice.
nothing will stop them from hating.
kentuck
(111,097 posts)One was created to offer opposing political opinions to the mainstream media. They are not concerned with facts or the interests of the nation as a whole, but mostly, an opposing political viewpoint, i.e. FOX and right-wing talk radio. They represent about half of the media and the other half could turn on Trump but they would not have the power to destroy him.