UPDATED: Next YUGE Scandal, Malia Obama smoking pot at Lollapalooza

[MohRokTah]

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I'M SHOCKED, SHOCKED I SAY THAT THEY WOULD SMOKE CANNABIS AT A ROCK CONCERT!!!!!!

UPDATED: IF this is Malia and IF that is, indeed, cannabis and IF it could all be proved, this is the legal equivalent of not coming to a full stop at a stop sign and carries a $200 fine in the state of Illlinois where Lollapalooza is held.

This is the video now making the rounds:

[Bucky]

1. gateway drug to harsher cancer treatments

[SticksnStones]

2. So what's the point of posting it?

[MohRokTah]

3. To get ready for it.

The media is looking for anything to counter the daily Trump controversies, so you know it's going to hit CNN and the rest even though:

1) Are we sure that's Malia Obama?
2) Are we sure what it is that the person in the video is putting to her mouth?
3) Who really gives a shit?

[SticksnStones]

7. I dunno...

Posting it is a tad too TMZ for my tastes.

[MohRokTah]

13. I found out about it from a tweet by a Chicago Radio station that puts on Lollapalooza

https://twitter.com/93XRT/status/763424845342216196

If they can confirm it is Malia Obama in the video (which may not happen) it WILL be all over television tonight. Even if it cannot be confirmed, it WILL be on Fox News wihtin a couple of hours.

Forewarned is forearmed, and the Obamas are held to a higher standard than any presidential family in history.

[SticksnStones]

60. Yeah, well have you read through this thread you started?

Forearming is not at all the conversation you kicked off.

It might as well be a Radar on line post.

You know how you battle the right picking on the children of elected officials? Deprive the story of oxygen. You fanned the flame.

She's a kid. An unelected kid. Off limits. Even if the intentions started honorably.

Peace.

[mercuryblues]

37. You

are correct in questioning if that was even her. I think this may very well be a case of "they all look alike"

I have been looking a pics, she wears a flowered dress, khaki shorts, with tan top, white tank to, black tank top w/ black shorts, tube top and jean shorts. Hair in a braid, parted on the left and straight, parted on the right and straight, messy part w/ soft curls, and in a ponytail. And almost all those styles and hairdos were photographed while watching the same band play; Cashmire Cats.

[MohRokTah]

39. Lollapalooza is a four day festival

It is reasonable to assume she will dress differently on each of those four days.

That said, I still doubt the identity of the young woman in that video, not to mention I doubt any way to describe the activity she's engaged in as "smoking pot".

[Eleanors38]

64. I only wear one set of clothes to 4-day events -- saves on cleaning costs.

[B2G]

70. In the middle of summer?

Yikes.

[Eleanors38]

76. There's always a hose nearby.

[B2G]

101. You've seen those Febreeze noseblind commercials

Right?

That would be you by day 3 at the latest. But not everyone else...

[MohRokTah]

71. Remind me to never stand next to you on days 3 and 4. eom

[Eleanors38]

78. Days 3 and 4? What makes you think it takes that long?

[MohRokTah]

80. Hey, day 2 will be bad enough!

[Eleanors38]

82. By day 2, I flare it off...

If you smoke pot to cure body odor, you must be a redneck.

[Iliyah]

89. Issa will be on it, quick lets start investigations NOW!

Paul Ryan has approved and Goofy will set the panel.

[egduj]

4. Always nice to have friends fuck you over.

[maxsolomon]

112. stop snitchin'

for realz

[snooper2]

5. And the one in front will forever be known as tongue girl LOL

[Qutzupalotl]

6. She's holding it like a cigarette.

Just saying.

[MohRokTah]

18. Yep, looking at the slowed down footage, could be a Marlboro Light.

Franky, smoking tobacco is worse than smoking cannabis, IMO.

[Warren DeMontague]

91. which is actually way worse for you.

just saying.

[zappaman]

92. Exactly.

I'd be bummed if it was tobacco.

[RapSoDee]

8. Kids these days...

[scscholar]

9. I wonder if first time or if she's an addict now

I live across the street from a MJ shop in the Seattle area, and it's sad to see the type of people that hang-out outside of it now.

[LanternWaste]

11. Marijuana is non-addictive

Marijuana is non-addictive; hence, one cannot be addicted to it.

[linuxman]

16. You can become addicted to literally anything.

And there are more than a few people I've encountered who fit the description.

Addiction is more than physical/chemical.

[LanternWaste]

26. In and of itself, cannabis is not addictive

In and of itself, cannabis is not addictive, regardless of your non-methodological anecdotes.

[linuxman]

36. Why are you always so incredibly rude?

Give a normal person an internet connection and anonymity and, well..

No need to move the goal posts. Marijuana is addictive, as are many other substances. The fact that not everyone becomes addictive to it is irrelevant. If that were the case, I could argue that cocaine and alcohol aren't addictive as well.



http://www.albertafamilywellness.org/brain-development-addiction/different-kinds-addiction

[MohRokTah]

38. There was not a single rude thing in the post to which you are responding. eom

[lillypaddle]

54. That's right

I was a daily pot smoker from my mid twenties to 50 years old, when I moved to GA and lived with a recovering alcoholic. He didn't want weed or alcohol in the house, and I respected that. No withdrawal problems at all. I'd love to smoke pot now, but I have chronic bronchitis due to cigarettes and can't begin to put anything in my lungs, other than air.

[Warren DeMontague]

83. jesus F. christ on a lithium-ion powered 5 foot graffix bong

I actually agree with you, here.

[scscholar]

56. I know what I've seen in my 55 years

[maxsolomon]

111. if you've seen "addicts", then they're using something else as well

I'm 53, so I've seen some things too. in seattle it's drunks, mainly.

but sure, there are weed burnouts, and 420 lifestyle types - tye dyes and dreadlocks. like my sister!

[MohRokTah]

14. Cannabis is not addictive. eom

[louis-t]

30. Then why is it people I know can't go

15 minutes without smoking it. Right in the middle of rehearsal they want to go smoke. Gotta smoke. I ask them not to smoke in my driveway. They sit in their car and smoke. With the window open. Then argue with me. Then say they will just go drive around the block and smoke. And I have to wait for them to finish rehearsal. Yeah, it's completely not addictive.

[MohRokTah]

35. Psychological addiction can be to any thing, activity, or even people.

Psychological addiction is not even remotely comparable to physical addiction and there has never been a case of physical addiction to cannabis in the entire history of the world.

[louis-t]

40. Correct. But still addicting.

I grew up with people who couldn't function without it, and who had a joint in their mouth before their feet hit the ground in the morning.

[MohRokTah]

41. That is psychological addiction and if it was not to cannabis, it would be to something else.

Cannabis is not addictive. Never has been. Never will be.

[zappaman]

59. I've been smoking pot for 30 years off and on.

Haven't smoked in almost a month.
Why?
Don't feel like it.
So how am I addicted?

[louis-t]

61. Not looking for an argument. Not accusing anyone.

Just reporting what I see. I suppose now I'll hear from every pot smoker on the planet about how they can stop anytime. Jeez.

[zappaman]

63. Yes, that's because it's not addictive.

Unless you assume everything can be addictive to some person, then yes, I guess it's addictive.

[Warren DeMontague]

84. here's a science experiment

try smoking a few joints of weed a day, every day, for a year. Then stop. See what happens.

Then try drinking a fifth of scotch a day, every day, for a year. Stop. See what happens.

One will quite possibly put you in the hospital with life-threatening withdrawal symptoms, dangerous heart palpitations, sweats, hallucinations, etc. Guess what? It's not the weed.

Now, part of the issue is that the word "addiction" is ill-defined once you get beyond the physiological syndrome outlined above, and we have broadened the word to include all sorts of things and behaviors, like Christian fundamentalists who masturbate occasionally- "addicted" because despite massive guilt trips they still do what is essentially normal behavior. So the term doesn't mean all that much. Certainly people can become habituated to all sorts of things, and smoking pot is undoubtedly one of them.

But the fact remains that in the pantheon of physiological addiction to the actual substance, marijuana is a relative cakewalk.

[zappaman]

94. Amazing that we still have to have this discussion in 2016.

Meanwhile, I went across the street at lunch and got a nice 1/4 of Strawberry cough.

[Major Nikon]

110. The word "addiction" is overused to the point of meaningless

When "addiction" is associated with food and sex, you know it means nothing.

Physical addictions actually mean something. You can die from alcohol withdraw.

[a kennedy]

67. I usually have a bowlful every Friday and Saturday night.......I don't consider myself

addicted.

[Lance Bass esquire]

87. I been using cocain everyday for 30 years.

I can quit anytime I'm not addicted.

Old Richard Pryor joke.

[louis-t]

134. Quitting smoking is easy.

I've done it hundreds of times. Another old joke.

[doc03]

128. I know a few people that smoke a couple cigarettes

socially now and then and have never become addicted to them. I quit way back in 1981 and still crave one at
times but if I ever had one I would end up with a 3 packs a day habit again.

[HipChick]

25. Her dad turned out fine...

I'm sure she'll be ok..

[Eleanors38]

65. Much as I have tried pot, I can't seem to get addicted.

[cleanhippie]

75. Addict? Lol.

Hysterical much?

[maxsolomon]

106. as opposed to before?

as an occasional habitué of several of Seattle's finer Cannabis stores, I can assure you the people inside are every kind of people; all ages, of every race, men and women, all happy as hell to be free of the threat of arrest.

[Mariana]

121. It's interesting how you present the options.

1. It's her first time, or
2. She's an addict now.

You'd think there were no other possibilities.

[kentuck]

10. Where's the Secret Service ??

??

[JohnnyRingo]

12. They probably taste tested it first

"Just part of the job, ma'am".

[independentpiney]

42. exactly

If there's no secret service it's not Malia.

[B2G]

48. Look behind her at the 4 second mark

Sure looks like one.

[jberryhill]

55. Small amounts decriminalized in Illinois

Aside from which it is not their jurisdiction.

[joshcryer]

15. Big deal. It'll be legal in another dozen states come November.

While this would be underage usage and would merit a "scolding" it should be noted that the country is moving toward legalization and that should be emphasized. Not the negative crap.

[PersonNumber503602]

27. but but but politics dictate that your reasonable response isn't reasonable.

[rbrnmw]

46. she's 18 could be tobacco

[jberryhill]

17. Chip Carter used to sneak out over the White House fence to get high

[GoCubsGo]

49. He should have just gone up to the roof like his brother and Willie Nelson did.

[ananda]

19. It looks like glare on the object behind her.

Geez

[The Wielding Truth]

23. Yea. The picture is odd.

[Scruffy Rumbler]

20. When she dumps her secrete service detail and

is sprawled across the floor drunk beyond function like the Bush children.... then I'll be worried..... no I won't, cause she won't.

[Vinca]

21. Something doesn't look right about that picture. The hand is too large.

[NBachers]

22. What took her so long?

[PersonNumber503602]

24. I have a hard time caring about this.

I doubt many others on this site care much either. But yeah, some of the idiots on the other side are already making a fuss about this. Although on the plus side those idiots are kinda being challenged by the pot-loving righties.

I wonder if she got any shit from the president and the first lady when she got home, though. Not so much for the acts themselves, but for doing it in a public place knowing how stupid people in this country can be when it comes to anything when it comes to politicians and politics.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

28. That's it? Where's the part that shows her smokinhg weed?

[MFM008]

29. God this is so strange

when I can drive down the street in Washington and see pot selling shops left and right.
Such a non issue in Washington State.

[MohRokTah]

32. Colorado, Alaska, and DC, too.

Medical Cannabis is now legal in Illinois.

Recreational possession of less than 10 grams of cannabis in Illinois is a civil violation that comes with a $200 fine. Basically, it's the legal equivalent of speeding.

[Warren DeMontague]

81. yeah, for some reason people on the East coast still wet their underoos over it.

It's weird, but they'll catch up.

[RandySF]

31. Where was the video of the Bush daughters' underage drinking?

[MohRokTah]

33. Camera phones were not as ubiquitous then as now. eom

[GoCubsGo]

34. Bullshit. Anyone who knows how to stop a video

can tell she's not smoking anything here. What fucking nonsense.

Not sure who is the little jackass sticking out her tongue, but damn, she is annoying.

[Initech]

43. Who goes to a festival and does *NOT* smoke pot?

[MohRokTah]

45. Even though Lollapalooza is an outdoor festival...

You used to be able to get a contact buzz simply walking onto the grounds of Lollapalooza a few years ago when I attended.

Chicago offices used to halt any random drug testing for a month after Lollapalooza because people who did not smoke pot could test positive after atteding the festival.

[Warren DeMontague]

85. Pah, I used to see the Grateful Dead up at Alpine

Lollapalooza's contact high aint got nothin' on that.

[zappaman]

93. Only went to one show there.

It was a Jerry show.
Holy shit, did I have fun!

[Warren DeMontague]

97. Really- interesting, What year was that? Do you remember?

I saw the Dead there every year 85-89. Some spectactular shows but 89 was the peak. If you watch/listen to that year the band was on fire, all 3 nights.

I only saw JGB on the west coast. Henry J Kaiser and the Warfield, mostly, as much as I can remember.

Alpine was big fun, though.

[zappaman]

98. Def 89!

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/jerry-garcia-band/1989/alpine-valley-music-theatre-east-troy-wi-6bdd26fe.html

My favorite shows of his were at The Wiltern Theater in LA.
I always say I saw my fair share of average Dead shows, but NEVER an average Jerry show!

[Warren DeMontague]

130. Ah, that explains it.

I had hopped in my beater and driven back West by September.

I hear what you're saying; there were definitely nights when the Dead weren't on, but for me the nights where they hit it out of the park made up for it.

Every time I saw Jerry it was great, but a different vibe for sure. My favorite venue had to be the Warfield in SF. 2,000 seats or so- super intimate.

[MohRokTah]

95. Hell, you could catch a contact buzz twenty miles away from a Dead concert! eom

[Bonx]

72. People who are currently incarcerated for marijuana offenses ?

[underahedgerow]

126. Sure, if they're people of color. Prisons are full of kids who were carrying 3 joints. Proper

menace to society, apparently.

White kids don't get 20 year sentences for carrying a little weed. People of color do.

'Member dat.

[Thrill]

44. The Pres doesn't have to run for anymore elections

So it's irrelevant. Only thing I see is whoever video taped this, she shouldn't be calling a friend anymore

[Quayblue]

47. Looks like a napkin to me

[MohRokTah]

50. Interesting point and could well be that!

Thanks for the input. I saw the title of the video and it never struck me, but now that you mention it it looks more like she is wiping her mouth with a napkin than her smoking anything.

[Quayblue]

52. You're welcome.

And I've never seen anyone pass a joint/blunt that quickly ever in my life. ETA: she would've burned a few people how fast she was moving. And where is the smoke?

People sure be reaching.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. AND WHY IS THE PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER SMOKING A NAPKIN, I ASK YOU?

CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FCUCKING NOW!

[Iliyah]

90. LOL, you made my day!

[Quayblue]

114. ...

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

51. Some bullshit going after the black kids. Fuck 'em!

[tonyt53]

53. Been a while since I smoked a joint, but that sure isn't the way we held them way back when.

That is a cig if anything

[vdogg]

57. Hard to tell if it's a joint or a cigarette.

She's definitely smoking SOMETHING though, that can't be denied, and that's definitely Malia. If I were her Dad I'd be far more pissed about the cigarette tbh, and I'd be having a word with her Secret Service detail. That said, she is a young adult, and she needs to be free to make her own choices (and her own mistakes). Her Dad being President is immaterial.

Edit to add:

How cool would it be to have been the kid who smoked weed with the President's daughter? I would've never shut up about it.

[maxsolomon]

107. Umm... HE smokes cigarettes!

so he can't be too pissed.

[uponit7771]

116. Not defiantly Malia, she was wearing a different dress in TMZ pics

[boston bean]

58. She didn't even inhale!

[maxsolomon]

109. i see what you did there

[StrictlyRockers]

62. That could be anyone. She kinda looks like Malia. nt

[uponit7771]

115. +1, in the TMZ pics she was wearing a flower dress the dress she's wearing here is black.

[LenaBaby61]

66. There...

Have been "rumors" that Malia has dabbled with alcohol as well, and has had issues with skipping classes while in High School, so it's not always been "Peaches & Cream" with Malia Obama at least. She's grown @ 18, but she really has to watch the people she hangs around and always be aware of her surroundings, because she KNOWS full well that she's being watched always But then again, maybe she WAS making a statement because she KNEW she'd be seen

I'm pretty sure her parents are none too happy about this one bit

[mcar]

88. She was accepted to Harvard

So I doubt the rumored class skipping (zounds!) affected her grades.

[Nye Bevan]

96. A child of the president will be accepted to any university in the country,

regardless of grades, extracurriculars, or anything else.

[mcar]

103. Really?

I'm sure they have a leg up, but I highly doubt that Malia Obama is not a highly intelligent young woman. Look at her parents.

[Nye Bevan]

113. I'm sure she is very intelligent (nt)

[uponit7771]

118. I've heard not one of these rumors ever and the girl isn't Malia seeing the TMZ pics have her in a

... different dress.

[a kennedy]

68. AND we know for SURE it's her......... eom

[Eleanors38]

69. So who's covering this. NYPost, You Tubb, Daily Mail, Mirror, Buzz Feed, fxtribune,..

...WXRT(CBS), PoliticalInsider, Live Leak, Complex Magazine, The Hollywood Gossip, Hollywood Life...all pinched off in the last few hours, and pages more.

"Accused," "Caught," -- all the same this side, that side, false equivalency journalism that MSM has loaded the porcelain facility with for decades.

Br-r-r-r-RUP!

[jpak]

73. A smokeless joint?

Who knew?

[uponit7771]

119. +1, seeing they cut the clip also... there was no smoke coming from the object and didn't show the

... clip of any inhaling etc.

Yeah, I'm calling bullshit seeing TMZ has her SS detail around her and in a flower dress in other pics...

Fuckin assholes will spread any thing

[jpak]

74. I call bullshit - her hair was braided that day

http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/04/malia-obama-lollapalooza-music-festival-photos-chicago/

[MohRokTah]

77. Those pics are from Lollapalooza 2014.

From your link:

8/4/2014 11:15 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

[Warren DeMontague]

79. If only she were doing something wholesome, like firing an AR-15 or cutting the trunk off of

an endangered elephant!

[Greybnk48]

99. Were her secret service agents smoking with her?

Where were they?

[axiom3]

100. Who really cares, honestly

After all, more and more Americans believe that our antiquated drug laws are in dire need of overdue reform, which is why even Drumpf has spoken in favor of legalization. The only reason why some people are making a fuss over this is because it has something to do with Obama's children.

[Raster]

102. Well, are there several large Secret Service guys with earbuds and sunglasses...

...checking out the crowd and posturing around "Malia" defensively?

No? NOT MALIA OBAMA.

[6chars]

104. Legalize it!

I don't care if that is or isn't her and if that is or isn't weed. The President himself has smoked, and well into his 8th year he has CHOSEN to keep pot a Schedule A substance. If not for that, this picture would not be an issue to anyone.

[MohRokTah]

105. .

[bluestateguy]

108. Don't care. Weed should be legal

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[Calculating]

117. Who cares?

This isn't any worse than underage drinking, and I'm sure the majority of society is guilty of that.

[MohRokTah]

120. Personally, I consider underage drinking far worse than underage cannabis use.

Don't get me wrong, I brew beer, make wine, mead, etc. and I LOVE mixing cocktails.

I just consider alcohol more unhealthy than cannabis ever will be.

[Calculating]

122. Correct

I just meant in a 'legal' sense. In states with legal mj I believe they have the same age requirement as alcohol.

[MohRokTah]

123. In the state of Illinois, possession of less than 10 grams of cannabis is a civil violation.

$200 fine.

It's not even as bad as running a red light.

[underahedgerow]

124. What's wrong with smoking weed? It's much better to smoke a little weed now and then than

to be falling down drunk on the dirty floor of a bar. Heck, it's better to smoke weed than to smoke cigarettes.

I'd love it if the entire first flippin family were smoking weed in the White House. Never made any sense that it was illegal to begin with.

Chill. No scandal. No one cares. If they do care, that's not the kind of people I give a crap about.

[MohRokTah]

125. I agree with everything you said.

The right wing is desperate to find something to take the attention away from their guy calling for one of his supporters to cap his opponent, though.

[True Dough]

127. So let's say it is Malia

and whenever the video was shot, 2014 or more recently, let's all remember that her dad was a pot smoker in his college days and he turned out all right after all. No need to blow things out of proportion.

[Bob Buttons]

129. Everyone should be outraged!!

Outraged that this is still a subject of contention, and that it's still listed as a schedule 1 narcotic.

According to Gallop polling, 43% of Americans claim to have smoked pot at least once. And one in eight claim to regularly consume.

And to anyone who's still buying in to the old "gateway drug" talking point: imagine making the same argument, but replace "cannabis" with "alcohol". The same arguments fit, despite not really being true. For instance, depressed people often drink heavily, but it doesn't mean having a drink or two leads to depression. (Yet heavily drinking can. And alcohol can be addictive. My argument is flawed, because alcohol is worse than cannabis.)

[JI7]

131. BORING

in terms of "scandal" this is just boring.

[MohRokTah]

132. It's the best they could come up with.

They are pretty desperate to displace the shit that comes out of Trump's mouth.

[standingtall]

133. Video is not clear enough to tell anything

Could be a joint. Could be a cigarette. Could be something else altogether. Maybe she wasn't smoking anything at all. Whatever it was in her hand it didn't seen seem to go between her lips although it came near to it in that video. All speculation.