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Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:07 AM

7 Scientific Effects of Marijuana That Experts Want to Study

http://time.com/4448757/7-scientific-effects-of-marijuana-that-experts-want-to-study/



The drug will be (slightly) easier to study.

On Thursday the U.S. government announced that marijuana would continue to be classified as a Schedule 1 drug, meaning it has a high potential for abuse. However, the feds are allowing more research on marijuana’s medicinal uses by making it easier for researchers to grow it.

Many researchers, both those who view marijuana as beneficial and those who are skeptical, argue that the government’s stance still hinders research. “I understand the cautious nature of the government, whose role is basically to protect its citizens, but it is disappointing that marijuana continues to be included on the DEA’s list of the most dangerous drugs,” says Dr. Yasmin Hurd of Mount Sinai, who studies the effects of marijuana on the brain.

Though more than 20 states have legalized marijuana for medicinal uses, there’s still a lot scientists don’t know about it. “It’s actually quite amazing how little we really know about something that has been used for thousands of years,” says Sachin Patel of Vanderbilt University who studies cannabis. “We desperately need well-controlled unbiased large scale research studies into the efficacy of cannabis for treating disease states, which we have very little of right now. Without these studies we are basically flying blind with regard to medical marijuana in my opinion.”

Scientists argue that studying marijuana is safe, and researching it shouldn’t be such a difficult process. “A question that is not on the lips of researchers is whether or not the consumption of cannabis-based medicines is safe,” says Gregory Gerdeman, an Assistant Professor of Biology at Eckerd College. “In the biomedical research community, it is universally understood that cannabis is a very safe, well-tolerated medicine.”

Is marijuana an effective cancer therapy?

What does it do to the brain?

What dosage or strains have the best use in medicine?

Can marijuana help brain and cognitive problems?

What about anxiety?

Can pot help end the opioid epidemic?

Are there long term consequences of using pot?



Progress is painfully slow in our country, but it is moving forward, slightly.

Why don't they accept research from other countries that might have been studying it? Big pharma might be interested in researching medicinal use.

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Reply 7 Scientific Effects of Marijuana That Experts Want to Study (Original post)
IronLionZion Aug 2016 OP
Lint Head Aug 2016 #1
6chars Aug 2016 #2
Lint Head Aug 2016 #4
SticksnStones Aug 2016 #6
6chars Aug 2016 #23
still_one Aug 2016 #3
randome Aug 2016 #5
still_one Aug 2016 #8
LanternWaste Aug 2016 #21
randome Aug 2016 #24
Rex Aug 2016 #28
randome Aug 2016 #30
Rex Aug 2016 #31
Lint Head Aug 2016 #10
still_one Aug 2016 #14
Lint Head Aug 2016 #16
still_one Aug 2016 #22
LanternWaste Aug 2016 #20
panader0 Aug 2016 #7
still_one Aug 2016 #15
RobinA Aug 2016 #17
IronLionZion Aug 2016 #19
Calculating Aug 2016 #9
IronLionZion Aug 2016 #11
nolabear Aug 2016 #12
AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #13
NightWatcher Aug 2016 #18
IronLionZion Aug 2016 #25
dubyadiprecession Aug 2016 #26
IronLionZion Aug 2016 #27
Rex Aug 2016 #29

Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:15 AM

1. I do not think marijuana is a drug.

It is a weed used in its natural state. You can pull substances and chemicals from any plant and call it a drug. It's the THC thing. The DEA is using a model that is 1000 years old. It's not LSD, heroin, or processed cocaine. It is a weed that is pulled from the ground. No different than any other plant grown by farmer. Hell even apple seeds contain arsenic cyanide Why are they legal?

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:41 AM

2. is alcohol a drug?

no. it is a safe substance with no potential for abuse and potential benefits according to (non) DEA classification.

it still puzzles me why "get the government off our backs" conservatives are all "let's crack down on individuals ingesting a weed that makes them feel better and harms no one". it also puzzles me why at least some of the Democratic leadership goes along with this.

Our last 24 years of presidents all inhaled. Then they jailed.

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Response to 6chars (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:02 AM

4. It's stigma. Propaganda has convinced certain people

that anything not defined as good by authority or religion is bad. It amazes me because I know of very few folks, who are actually intelligent, that think pot is bad. The ones that do seem to be pseudo intellectual.

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Response to 6chars (Reply #2)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:27 AM

6. I think those conservatives

are more "get government off MY back...and make certain those people over there adhere to my religious and moral values or else"

The DEA will never reclassify cannibis. It's against their best interests and the CSA gives them plenty of legal cover to kick the can down the road.

Change will have to come from Congress in the form of unique legislation. Cannibis needs its own sets of laws, separate from heroin or Percocet, different than alcohol and tobacco.

It's its own category, IMO as it has both medicinal and recreational uses.





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Response to SticksnStones (Reply #6)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 03:24 PM

23. i don't even see the religious or moral issue

i only know of one religion that has an explicit stand on marijuana, and it is not about banning it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari#Reasoning

Jesus and Moses never talked about it. Islam is against some forms of intoxication, I guess.

But how is it a moral issue in the US? What is the moral framework? That to be stoned is in itself immoral? What if you feel stoned, but it is not due to smoking anything? etc.

Ridiculous. When will we grow up?

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:57 AM

3. While the active chemical mechanisms of Marijuana such as tetrahydrocannabinol, THC

point toward positive therapeutic use, there is no way that inhaled smoke is good for the lungs.

Using it in a pill or other mechanism of delivery is viable though

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Response to still_one (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:05 AM

5. That's what keeps the dispute going full strength after all this time.

 

Proponents want us to believe that inhaling smoke can actually be good for you. That's a ludicrous, biased point of view from those who want the freedom to smoke in public.

That and promoting the idea that marijuana is some sort of 'super-drug' that can cure warts as well as cancer and still have time to do the dishes.

That being said, if there are medicinal benefits to other forms of marijuana, research it away.

Even if it's eventually legalized, the government should strongly discourage smoking it, imo.
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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:51 AM

8. we are on the same page. Marinol is one example of a canabis based drug.

However, in regard to smoke, this is what used to be spew about smoking:







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Response to randome (Reply #5)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 01:44 PM

21. Which proponents are specifically stating that inhalation of smoke is health benefit?

 

Which proponents are specifically stating that inhalation of smoke is health benefit?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #21)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 03:54 PM

24. It's been cited on DU a year or two ago.

 

I don't recall the references because I was laughing too hard. There was even a 'study' that purported to show students did better at tests while under the influence. It's totally self-serving bullshit like this that keeps us at odds.

Of course students did better at tests. They'd probably do better with a strong dose of caffeine or a small dose of brandy or a box of glazed donuts, too. It sure as hell does not mean that marijuana is beneficial because...well, because it's marijuana!

I agree that possession should be decriminalized but I also believe that its use should be strongly discouraged, same as cigarettes, same as anything else that puts someone in an altered state of mind. It's why we have warnings on liquor. It's why we have sky-high taxes on cigarettes.

The vast majority of users would prefer to smoke instead of vaping. That's just reality.

Personally, I value my health too much to 'indulge'. One of my teenaged daughters told me recently that she tried pot at a party and she knows I'm okay with it, that I'll discourage the hell out of it but recognize that she's young enough to want to experiment. No rantings from me!

I just think it's hilarious that those who want to smoke marijuana tell us how natural it is.

First, there is nothing 'natural' about sticking a weed in your mouth and setting it on fire.

Secondly, if you need something external to find inner peace of mind, you're probably not doing it right.

Just my personal opinion, of course.
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Response to randome (Reply #24)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 06:06 PM

28. Tar. No matter what anyone says you still get tar buildup in the lungs.

 

As much as I agree with people that want to legalize it, there will always be risks when smoking anything. Smoking is unnatural to the body.

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Response to Rex (Reply #28)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 06:19 PM

30. Yoga and meditation are a surer bet to inner peace than inhaling smoke.

 

But 'inner peace' is usually not the goal. It's to get high and I sympathize with those who want to but let's not delude ourselves about the effects on one's metabolism and overall health.
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Response to randome (Reply #30)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 06:47 PM

31. LOL. Nobody I know smokes dope for 'inner peace'. You know anyone that drinks dakaris

 

to find 'inner peace'? It is merely a recreational drug like booze imo. It will be good just for the ability to study it finally imo.

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Response to still_one (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:54 AM

10. Controlling the personal ingested choice for delivery of a weed

seems to be the polar opposite of freedom.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 12:11 PM

14. Where did I say anything about controlling people's choice? What I did say was that it is nonsense

for people to spew that smoke ingested into the lungs is good for the lungs. It doesn't matter if it is marijuana, cigarettes, etc.

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Response to still_one (Reply #14)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 01:03 PM

16. You didn't. There is no proof that ingesting pot smoke

is more or less carcinogenic than cigarettes. Not saying you said anything is carcinogenic. I get that the exhaled smoke could be undesirable to others.

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Response to Lint Head (Reply #16)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 02:49 PM

22. Ok. My point as you said wasn't about whether it was carcinogenic, but that any kind of inhaled

me at likely isn't good for one's lungs

I understand your point also and agree

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Response to still_one (Reply #3)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 01:43 PM

20. there is no way that chemotherapy is good for the body

 

"there is no way that inhaled smoke is good for the lungs...

Hence, infusion into edibles, drinks, candies, and vapors.

That said, there is no way that chemotherapy, in and of itself is good for the body, yet science tells us that a cost-benefit analysis illustrates it is often better than not taking the therapy.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:36 AM

7. They should study me.

I started smoking in '65. Still do. Haven't been to a doctor in 30 years, and
that was for stitches. (knock on wood). All four kids are successful and
intelligent, including a valedictorian. Never got lazy until recently when the
jobs got scarce. I think weed is good for you.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 12:20 PM

15. I am certainly happy for your well being. There are people who have smoked cigarettes for decades

without any ill effects.

I had an uncle who lived well into his nineties, and smoked unfiltered cigarettes. My wife's grandmother smoked unfiltered lucky strikes and lived until 102.

What does this say about the long term effects of smoke on the lungs? Nothing

It is anecdotal.

Smoke is harmful to lung health. Whether from burning wood, tobacco or marijuana, toxins and carcinogens are released from the combustion of materials. Smoke from marijuana combustion has been shown to contain many of the same toxins, irritants and carcinogens as tobacco smoke.

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Response to still_one (Reply #15)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 01:16 PM

17. Here's My Anecdote

Some people should not use MJ for anxiety. Never, ever. Increases it exponentially. Other than that it's a fun weed.

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Response to RobinA (Reply #17)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 01:37 PM

19. That's one area they want to research through clinic trials actually

the relationship between THC and anxiety as a way to develop treatments.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 11:52 AM

9. At this point..

The only people who still want cannabis to remain illegal are either willfully ignorant on the issue, bigoted against the culture associated with cannabis, or they're benefiting in some way from continued prohibition.

Even the DEA admits that the classification isn't about danger anymore. It's still perverse that they classify it with heroin just because it doesn't have any 'official' medical uses though. By the DEA logic why is nicotine not schedule 1?

The medical people really need to be separating themselves from the 'smoking' method of consumption IMO. Nobody in the medical field is gonna take you seriously when you suggest smoking a drug. They should focus more on measured doses of edibles or vaping.

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Response to Calculating (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 12:02 PM

11. Extremely addictive opium derived painkillers are schedule 2

Even cocaine has medicinal use and is schedule 2

I don't see nicotine on any schedule. I don't think they scheduled it. It has been researched for medicinal use.

marijuana's scheduling definitely appears more political than scientific

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 12:03 PM

12. I live in a state where it's legal. As a result there's a lot of anecdotal evidence and "research."

I only use quotes because the research is peer research.

It's well known and documented that the various strains of pot are being grown and tweaked to feature such things as anti-nausea effect, anti-inflammatory effect, anti-anxiety effect, and a host of others. I'm skeptical about some things but believe others for personal reasons.

I'm one of those boomers who has smoked on and off since I was old enough. I quit for years because I had children and couldn't imagine not being all together in case of emergency. Same reason I've been a very temperate drinker. These days I fairly regularly smoke a low-THC, high CBD strain that is magnificent for inflammation and joint pain, and has essentially no high. A tad relaxing.

Having the gov't. involved is a good/bad thing. Regulations are a good thing, but it also put paid to the medical marijuana shops that have been very helpful to many, many people. Now they're being folded into simple retail and the employees aren't allowed to give "medical" advice when you go looking for a specific thing. Fortunately they can give anecdotal advice. The young woman I talk to most often works in a shop and has RA, and keeps up with what helps her.

It's an interesting thing to go to a shop and see how many different people are there and for what reasons. It's a true cross section.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 12:05 PM

13. This is about economics. Big Pharma is scared of the medicinal value of marijuana.

It stands to really disrupt their profits. Quite honestly, if the DEA or FDA were that worried about public safety, they would make oxycontin and oxycodone illegal considering the huge epidemic we have with those 2. Endo pharmaceuticals has invested quite a bit already into its star drug and that won't happen.

I don't have a link, but I remember someone telling me how Endo did a big push on oxycodone a few years back in pain management and has essentially created the mess that is today. I didn't look it up but it sure rings true.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 01:21 PM

18. Study me too. I have lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, Dermatomyositis, Raynauds, and I'm a cannabis user

I have favorite strains, I know dosages, I hold down a job, function normally in society, and most people can't tell I treat with it.

Since beginning self treatment, I have gotten off of social security disability. Cannabis (indica) is a miracle worker.

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 05:28 PM

26. We always seem to have problems in this country rationalizing our final decisions...

For example: Marijuana is illegal, but alcohol is legal and it kills people.
Communist cubans are bad, but communist chinese are good.

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Response to dubyadiprecession (Reply #26)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 05:33 PM

27. Depends on who is profiting

We can profit from made in China, just like pharma apparently sells more pills in states that don't have medical cannabis

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Response to IronLionZion (Original post)

Fri Aug 12, 2016, 06:11 PM

29. Face it, no government or commercial entity likes the idea you can grow this stuff for free in the

 

backyard. Pot is way too populist for authoritarians to ever let go of. It is a political tool that nets LEO billions a year in annual profits.

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