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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 10:43 AM Aug 2016

More about that testimonial letter re Trump's health and Dr. Harold Bornstein

Last edited Thu Aug 18, 2016, 01:18 PM - Edit history (1)

I’m A Doctor. Here’s What I Find Most Concerning About Trump’s Medical Letter

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Dr. Bornstein is affiliated with Lennox Hill, but he is not part of their Division of Gastroenterology. There also isn’t a Department of Medicine there is a Division of General Internal Medicine and Dr. Bornstein isn’t a member of that either. Having admitting privileges and being a division member are not the same thing. Many hospitals allow doctors to have admitting privileges and not be department or division members. And what’s with this made up “Section”?



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What are “astonishingly excellent” laboratory test results? I’m a doctor, and I don’t know. Is it astonishing that a 70-year-old man has normal results? All his results are exactly average which is good — but wait, I thought his tests are all positive?

And while we’re at it, doctors just don’t say “laboratory test results” that sounds like something on a soap opera.

5. Doctors don’t say “test score” — we just give the results.

The conventional way to reference PSA would be PSA 0.81 ng/ml (normal < 4 ng/ml). A test score is something that happens at the DMV.

6. How did Dr. Bornstein test Donald Trump’s strength and stamina?

Did he have him bench press in the office? Do a treadmill test? Doctor’s just don’t typically write vague, quasi-medical things in letters. I’ve also never heard of a stamina test.

An internist might test muscle strength as part of a physical exam, but the results are graded 0-5, and 5 is not secret code for extraordinary. It’s code for normal.

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It’s a terrible letter.

Did Dr. Bornstein write it? If so he should be embarrassed. It’s medically illiterate. If he doesn’t know his website doesn’t work or if that he’s not in the Division of Gastroenterology, that’s an issue.

Did Trump write it? He’ll never tell. It certainly reads like a letter written by someone with close to no knowledge of Dr. Bornstein’s practice or medicine.

All I can say is, typos and weird links and mentions of non-existent sections of gastroenterology and nonsensical medical information aside, the letter provides essentially no medical information.

read:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jennifer-gunter/im-a-doctor-heres-concerning-trumps-medical-letter_b_11565838.html

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More about that testimonial letter re Trump's health and Dr. Harold Bornstein (Original Post) cali Aug 2016 OP
Had my three month check-up yesterday. Had a cancerous tumor removed from a kidney in May tonyt53 Aug 2016 #1
Sounds like you need a new doctor Sanity Claws Aug 2016 #2
I was talking about doctor that was degrading Trump's supposed doctor. tonyt53 Aug 2016 #4
I misunderstood your post Sanity Claws Aug 2016 #9
i see in donnie's deep dark past many school excuse letters signed "donnie's mommy" unblock Aug 2016 #3
I once requested a physician to provide me with a letter of recommendation, as part of his review Siwsan Aug 2016 #5
Last week.......... mrmpa Aug 2016 #14
Wow - So many people DON'T check up on doctors/clinics, to their detriment. Siwsan Aug 2016 #22
I'd be willing to wager heavily that Trump wrote it. DanTex Aug 2016 #6
I certainly wouldn't wager against you on that. It's Trumponics throught and through. cali Aug 2016 #8
He sounds as legit as Melaina. rocktivity Aug 2016 #7
less. cali Aug 2016 #10
One only has to look at Trump to see he is obese, how is that ever healthy? Augiedog Aug 2016 #11
Doctor letter Srkdqltr Aug 2016 #12
He can't even be trusted about a report on his health, yet his minions point at Hillary world wide wally Aug 2016 #13
Trump's "doctor's letter" has the same relation to medicine that the Bible has to history. n/t TygrBright Aug 2016 #15
no doctors write like this. trump has no respect for his supporters to release a pile of shit like patsimp Aug 2016 #16
Did he test positive for the Rorschach Test? bucolic_frolic Aug 2016 #17
Although if that photo that's floating around really is Dr. Harold SwankyXomb Aug 2016 #18
Did Trump write it? Of course he did! vlyons Aug 2016 #19
Is that Dr. even alive? I read somwhere he expired in 2010 amuse bouche Aug 2016 #20
To Whom My Concern: tclambert Aug 2016 #21
Trump making stamina a campaign issue ... napkinz Aug 2016 #23
 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
1. Had my three month check-up yesterday. Had a cancerous tumor removed from a kidney in May
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 10:50 AM
Aug 2016

I asked my doctor if I was a healthy as Trump, and he said pretty much the same thing this doctor said.

Sanity Claws

(21,828 posts)
2. Sounds like you need a new doctor
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 10:55 AM
Aug 2016

Did you test positive for everything, just like Trump's doctor said he did?

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
4. I was talking about doctor that was degrading Trump's supposed doctor.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 10:59 AM
Aug 2016

My doctor worked at Cleveland Clinic for several years before going back to where he grew up. His wife, an only child, had elderly parents with failing health. My doctor despises Trump.

Sanity Claws

(21,828 posts)
9. I misunderstood your post
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:18 AM
Aug 2016

When you said "this doctor" I thought you meant Trump's doctor. I know understand that you were referring to the doctor mentioned in the OP.
Sounds like your doctor is fine.

Siwsan

(26,229 posts)
5. I once requested a physician to provide me with a letter of recommendation, as part of his review
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:04 AM
Aug 2016

It had to do with his lack of board certification, and the plan I worked for required physicians to be board certified or eligible, and if they weren't we required 3 letters of recommendation from his peers, or one from his department head. Simple enough.

So this physician sent me a letter of recommendation that stated Dr. So and So had a great personality, bright smile, played a really brilliant game of golf and his patients loved him. And that he was highly recommended to continue as a contracted physician. The letter was signed by the doctor, himself.

I thought it was hilarious, but wrote him back to point out that autobiographical letters of recommendation were not listed among the options.

Doctors can be weird. They should probably never write their own letters.

mrmpa

(4,033 posts)
14. Last week..........
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 12:41 PM
Aug 2016

I went to one of those spinal laser institutes. I did my research & learned that only 2 of the doctors were licensed in the state I was in, also none of the doctors had admitting privileges to any hospitals.

I also had issues with the admitting clerk (basically she was inputting information from my filled out forms). She said I had to be allergic to iodine since I was allergic to lodine. She also told me I was not a type 2 diabetic because I took insulin and only type 1 diabetics took insulin.

Needless to say I walked out.

Siwsan

(26,229 posts)
22. Wow - So many people DON'T check up on doctors/clinics, to their detriment.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 01:59 PM
Aug 2016

During my years as a physician credentialing coordinator, I ran across many really bad situations. I found one "physician" who was practicing under a false name - he wasn't licensed at all. I got suspicious when I noticed that EVERY document I requested had his name listed differently. Found another guy - a board certified plastic surgeon - who had been kicked out of Canada, and was now doing some very bad surgeries, here. (I had to review everyone's malpractice history.)

In the last year, before I retired, I discovered two of our pediatricians had been arrested and charged with child molesting. I won't even go into how many chiropractors have sexual assault/battery charges filed against them.

I truly believe that information contained in the National Practitioners Data Bank information should be available to the public. People should know what a physician's history is, before they put their lives in his hands.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
6. I'd be willing to wager heavily that Trump wrote it.
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 11:05 AM
Aug 2016

It bears all the hallmarks of Trump rhetoric.

Srkdqltr

(6,185 posts)
12. Doctor letter
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 12:19 PM
Aug 2016

I'm not a doctor. I don't know much about the medical field but, when I heard what his "doctor" wrote I knew it was BOLOGNA. I'm glad doctors are outing it but for most of us it isn't necessary.

world wide wally

(21,729 posts)
13. He can't even be trusted about a report on his health, yet his minions point at Hillary
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 12:39 PM
Aug 2016

And tell the world not to trust her.
I suggest Hillary make an issue out of this letter to show Trump can't even be trusted with the most basic tasks.

patsimp

(915 posts)
16. no doctors write like this. trump has no respect for his supporters to release a pile of shit like
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 12:56 PM
Aug 2016

this letter.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
18. Although if that photo that's floating around really is Dr. Harold
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 01:24 PM
Aug 2016

that guy looks exactly like the kind of guy that would write a letter like that, or at least sign it without reading it.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
19. Did Trump write it? Of course he did!
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 01:28 PM
Aug 2016

Or at least Trump had some administrative flunky write it. Donald Trump - big time pathological liar.

tclambert

(11,084 posts)
21. To Whom My Concern:
Thu Aug 18, 2016, 01:38 PM
Aug 2016

If Donald Trump tried to fake a doctor's note, it would be the best, just the greatest note ever. Astonishingly excellent. It might have a few typos, maybe a Freudian slip that indicates whose concern he is really concerned with. But, hey, all the results would be positive. Positive's good, right? So every disease, like STDs, that the doctor tested for would give positive results. And maybe with the weight loss, you exaggerate a little, right? Am I right? You know. Everybody does that. Whatever. And people would like to hear their candidate is the best, the healthiest ever. You can't prove Lincoln or Teddy Roosevelt were healthier. And Franklin Roosevelt, who many people say was a great president, okay, let's say it, he was a cripple. A cripple! We don't care about political correctness, do we?

But it's ridiculous to challenge a document like this. It's a letter, signed by a doctor. Nobody's gonna fake that. How would you fake it? It's got official letterhead and a signature. People don't fake stuff like that. What are they gonna claim next? That it came from Kenya?

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