Actually, we died for his right TO SIT or stand...

[Stubborn]

[liberal N proud]

1. Exactly

I saw that on FB this morning and was going to post it here.

Thanks for sharing.

[Stubborn]

3. You're welcome.

[Loki]

2. People forget that.

"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." Samuel Johnson. People have actually forgotten what true patriotism is.

[Taitertots]

4. They died for his right to curse out your mother, but I'll say something if he does that too

Until the government forces him to stand it isn't an issue of rights.

[jehop61]

8. Absolutely

First Amendment says Government cannot stop your freedom of speech. Doesn't say others aren't allowed to react to it.

[LanternWaste]

12. Patriotism is a wonderfully faith-based refuge.

Patriotism is a wonderfully faith-based refuge.

[whathehell]

20. +10. n/t

[Stellar]

5. "Veterans stand up for Colin Kaepernick's national anthem protest"

When San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick decided to sit down during the national anthem on Aug. 26 to protest inequality and police brutality, detractors immediately began to call him entitled. How could a millionaire athlete possibly criticize the United States when he's been given so much?

And how, they said, would veterans feel about a man desecrating a symbol they've fought to protect? Well, the veterans have spoken -- at least on Twitter -- and they don't seem particularly upset about it.


The #VeteransForKaepernick hashtag gained steam on Tuesday, with several former servicemen and servicewomen voicing their support for the quarterback's protest.

MORE: OregonLive.com

[Abouttime]

6. I hope all the black players in the NFL sit

Unfortunately our country is the most rascist in history. Our founding fathers were slaveholders. Our White House and Capitol building were built with slave labor. Black men are 10 times more likely to be imprisoned as white men. Our country still refuses to give reparations to blacks for 300 years of forced unpaid labor and discrimination. We force blacks to live in ghettos, we send their children to inferior schools and force them to drink poisoned water and eat unhealthy food. Our police kill black children with impunity almost on a daily basis.
Until we as a country take serious measures to right these wrongs, starting with reparations, no Blacks, football players or not should show any respect to any symbol of our rascist history.

[pipoman]

7. Lol..."most racist in history"...not a history student, eh?

Oh, and the rest of you screed is equally ridiculous...

[Taitertots]

18. This is a position based on complete ignorance of history

I'm not even going to waste my time listing all the nations that have been more racist than America.

[Loki Liesmith]

31. a foolish post

Here, let me help you out a bit:

[TipTok]

35. Holy crap...

You're serious...



I just...

I can't...



Wow...

[pipoman]

40. Where'd ya go?

Did you realize how stupid this post/thinking is?

[Gothmog]

9. Great cartoon

[malthaussen]

10. Good cartoon.

Every teacup needs its storm, I guess.

Lost in the patriotic furor is the question of courtesy, by which one indulges rituals which make no sense to him because he doesn't want to offend those to whom the ritual matters. It is always for the individual to decide if his morality will permit him to participate in such rituals. I'd suggest that rising for a nation's anthem is a fairly passive act, much more so than, for example, reciting the Pledge of Allegiance, which is a positive act. But Mr Kaepernick or any other might slice the onion differently. And as the gentlemen on the right of the cartoon so justly point out, that is exactly what they were fighting for.

-- Mal

[pangaia]

16. "... that is exactly what they were fighting for. "

Sometimes yes. But unfortunately, too often not.

[malthaussen]

28. It's what they perceived themselves as fighting for...

... although I daresay there were a number who knew exactly who was being sold down what river.

-- Mal

[pangaia]

32. True that.

[packman]

11. To me they all served and died for an ideal

perhaps not yet achieved, but a hope that the country they love would become better with their sacrifice.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

13. Nobody is saying he doesn't have a right to speak, they're criticizing what he's saying.

His detractors have a right to their speech as well.

[awoke_in_2003]

34. What is wrong with what he's saying?

He is a douchebag, but what he says is absolutely right. PoC are treated differently by police than white people. People with a halfway functioning brain realize this.

[Wounded Bear]

14. K & R ......

This vet agrees.

[bora13]

15. ill informed whiners

so when you are in the military you MUST salute the American flag as well as stop and salute for the National Anthem when in uniform, etc.

Saying a civilian MUST show the same regards to the National Anthem or the flag is just a right-wing knee-jerk reaction to when they were brought up by some psycho father or parent.

"You will stand and put your hand over your heart when you hear that godly song!"

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[ronnie624]

17. The defense of rights is a legal matter, not a military one.

The US hasn't been threatened militarily, for centuries. It's illogical to claim that the military defends our rights, when it is used primarily for aggression.

[Taitertots]

19. "Centuries"!? Get a history book.

Tell it to all the people who died at Pearl Harbor.

[BlueStreak]

23. The Pearl Harbor attack was not about our bill of rights

[ronnie624]

27. Japan was never a threat to the ruling order of the US,

nor was it a threat to freedom in the US.

[pipoman]

39. Only.. only because we have a fucking military

If they thought they could, they would. ..duh

[ronnie624]

41. Empires wage war for geostrategic dominance.

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The US was not fighting Japan for freedom, but for control over that region of the world.

As usual, your posts are just plain silly.

[Moostache]

21. Perfect cartoon depiction.

This issue is about raising awareness of a larger societal problem. Kaepernick is using his fame to shine a light on something that needs the sanitation of daylight and close inspection. I view those criticizing his act of protest with suspicion and doubt their intentions far more than those of Kaepernick himself.

This is the flag burning debate warmed over and regurgitated. The right to protest the government is enshrined in the Bill of Rights for a reason - in the time of kings, dissent was a capital offense to many. The highest of American ideals is that of the secular state, a nation of men and women rule by laws, not by kings nor decree.

[BlueStreak]

22. They died for the right of morons to demagogue this issue 24x7 on cable

The First Amendment -- love it or leave it.

[Cryptoad]

24. Damn old Founders and their Constitution! /s

[niyad]

25. EXACTLY!! It is actually sad to realize how many people, whining about the veterans,

fail to understand that simple fact.

it was something I used to point out to the assholes whining about jane fonda.

[Person 2713]

26. Exactly & why do some not understand ?

[Rex]

29. I cannot believe anyone cares about this.

Some guy didn't stand somewhere, when the National Anthem was played...and this is a big deal why?

[maxsolomon]

30. they didn't die for his rights one way or the other

"we died protecting your rights" is such rah rah militarism crap. in which war, precisely, were our rights under threat? 1812? thanks for your service, veterans of 1812.

it sure as fuck wasn't korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1, Afghanistan or Iraq 2.

the anthem has no more to do with the military than "in god we trust" on the money does.

[colsohlibgal]

33. Exactly

Some folks will never grasp that truth, just like they will never get the true intent and context of the 2nd Amendment.

[TheFrenchRazor]

36. of course no one is questioning his *right* to stay seated, they're

questioning his choice to do it.

[Stubborn]

37. You speak for everyone now?

That's amazing.

[bigwillq]

38. K and R (nt)