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kentuck

(111,111 posts)
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 01:08 PM Sep 2016

Republicans are always saying that "corporate income taxes" are too high"....

....for corporations to compete in this country.

But everytime a billionaire, Donald Trump or anyone else, is asked to reveal their taxes, they all seem to pay a very minimal rate? Very seldom do we see any of them pay more than 15%? It doesn't really matter what the rate is on the books, it only matter what the real rate they actually pay.

If Americans are truly worried about deficits and huge debt, they need look no further than the refusal of the wealthy to pay more taxes into the upkeep of our country. In effect, they control the Congress and the legislation that is passed. The people have little say in the matter.

Republicans that are pissed off at their Party and the lack of any action by those in the Congress, are getting ready to vote for the hair of the dog that bit them. They could not be any more stupid. It is obvious to even a blind man that it is the present Republican leaders in Congress that are mostly to blame for the failures in our government and the gullible people, mostly Republicans, are on the verge of throwing more gasoline on the fire.

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Republicans are always saying that "corporate income taxes" are too high".... (Original Post) kentuck Sep 2016 OP
The marginal rate and the effective rate are very different BainsBane Sep 2016 #1
It's time that the economic winners resumed paying their share for the system that enriches them gratuitous Sep 2016 #2
In other words... kentuck Sep 2016 #3
Of course they are! Megahurtz Sep 2016 #4
you seem to be confusing personal taxes with corporate taxes Travis_0004 Sep 2016 #5
From what I have read.... kentuck Sep 2016 #7
If Trump is an LLC, the corporate rate won't apply to him jmowreader Sep 2016 #8
LLC's Sgent Sep 2016 #9
Some of the corporate raider companies are LLCs or LPs jmowreader Sep 2016 #11
0% or Less erpowers Sep 2016 #6
Our corporate taxation Sgent Sep 2016 #10

BainsBane

(53,137 posts)
1. The marginal rate and the effective rate are very different
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 01:10 PM
Sep 2016

The US marginal rate is higher than many places, but the effective rate is not.

In Trump's case, he probably doesn't want to release them because he isn't as wealthy as he claims.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. It's time that the economic winners resumed paying their share for the system that enriches them
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 01:17 PM
Sep 2016

It's not magic; tax high earners at higher rates. Tax financial advisers' income as ordinary income instead of at the capital gains rate. Raise the capital gains rate to 22% or even 25%. We did that at the end of the 1990s, and were actually running budget surpluses, paying down our national debt, which seems to become the Worst Thing Ever whenever Democrats hold the White House, but is irrelevant when Republicans are running things.

Megahurtz

(7,046 posts)
4. Of course they are!
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 01:33 PM
Sep 2016

It's all for them, remember? It's laughable that they seem to think that Trump is going to protect their financial portfolios for themselves because that's all they care about.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
5. you seem to be confusing personal taxes with corporate taxes
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 02:49 PM
Sep 2016

If trump releases his personal taxes and pays a 15% rate, that has nothing to do with his corporate tax rate. His corporate rate could be higher or it could be lower.

kentuck

(111,111 posts)
7. From what I have read....
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 04:38 PM
Sep 2016

Many corporations pay no taxes at all and some get huge refunds from the US Government. Many others hide their profits in places like Ireland, Cayman Islands, and Wyoming.

jmowreader

(50,601 posts)
8. If Trump is an LLC, the corporate rate won't apply to him
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 05:01 PM
Sep 2016

Which is why the government needs to impose a maximum income on LLCs and Subchapter S corporations. The intent is good: let's allow small businesses to pay a lower tax rate to help them out. But come on guys: some of the most successful Wall Street companies are LLCs specifically to exploit a legal tax dodge. $5 million gross income or less, you can be a pass-through entity. But earn one dollar more over a continuous three-year period, and your next year's tax return better be as a Subchapter C corporation.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
9. LLC's
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:19 PM
Sep 2016

can be taxed as C corps depending on their election.

Other than real estate (REITs) and certain other types of entities (oil and gas pipelines) I can't think of a wall street company that isn't taxed as a C corp. If you sell shares of stock, you have to be a C corp. S corp is out due to number of shareholders, and an LLC is impracticable because you have to track each owner, their separate basis, etc. and they are not tradeable entities.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
6. 0% or Less
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 04:37 PM
Sep 2016

A number of American corporations pay no taxes at all. Some corporations even get refunds from the government. I believe GE was one of the companies that received a refund from the government.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
10. Our corporate taxation
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:21 PM
Sep 2016

is f'ed a dozen different ways.

We have one of the highest tax rates in the world, but we favor certain industries making effective tax rates lower -- if your in a favored industry.

We tax worldwide income (unlike everyone else), but only when its repatriated. So any profits that GM has off shore will be used to build new factories off shore because to bring it back into the US requires a 35% tax -- no other country does this.

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