10 yr old girl found dismembered in bathtub. Police say mother looked for men to rape her daughter.

[davidn3600]

According to police in New Mexico, the mother of a 10-year-old girl found dismembered the day after her birthday actively sought out men to rape her daughter while she watched, reports the Albuquerque Journal.

Albuquerque Police identified in the girl’s assailants her mother, Michelle Martens, 35, her mother’s boyfriend, Fabian Gonzales and Gonzales’ cousin, Jessica Kelley.

According to a crime scene report, the body of Victoria Martens was discovered in a smoke-filled apartment, wrapped in a burning blanket and stashed in the bathtub. Police state, the child had no pulse, her left leg was almost completely cut off and both of her arms were missing. When police raided the apartment, they also discovered two adults with minor injuries, and captured a third who attempted to escape after jumping off a balcony.

In interviews with girl’s mother, she admitted that her daughter was given methamphetamine to “calm her down,” and that Gonzales had sex with her before choking her to death. Gonzales has denied the accusation, saying Kelley killed the girl by stabbing and then dismembering her.

According to the police that night was likely not the first night the young girl was raped, with her mother admitting that she sought out strangers online and at her place of work to sexually assault her daughter — before admitting that didn’t do it for money and that she enjoyed watching.

Police state that Martens used the dating website Plenty of Fish to look for men and that it’s possible that she also sought men to rape Victoria’s younger sibling.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/09/mother-of-new-mexico-10-year-old-found-dismembered-sought-out-men-to-rpe-her-daughter-police/

[snooper2]

1. Three pieces of shit that should be shot and dumped in a landfill

[Lucky Luciano]

7. Yup. nt

[Initech]

9. Agreed, any punishment handed down is too light.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

17. Drop them in the New Mexico desert

.....from a plane.

[GummyBearz]

21. Visible meth scabs on 2 of them

Good lord how lucky am I to have the fortune of growing up with caring parents in the middle class of this country

[Moostache]

51. They are all meth addicts, one just had a lot of residual make-up on...

Scum like this make me want to puke.

I have a 10-year old daughter and the idea of people actually doing these things to an innocent child like that is horrifying beyond words.

The greatest punishment of all for these types is time - time taken away from them doing anything other than staring at the walls of their cage. Life in prison without parole, general population accommodations and an announcement of their crimes should ensure that they are treated appropriately on the inside and may they never live to see another free day for a very, very long time.

[pansypoo53219]

26. an epal of mine we have decided zoo food is a great disposal for terrible people. save the zoo money

+ great for disposal. these 3 can be alive. stick them in a tiger cage.

[oneshooter]

29. No, dumped in a landfill and covered over while still alive. n/t

[closeupready]

33. No mercy for either the man or the two women.

None.

[Coventina]

2. I'm making this reply, because I want to express my total horror and sadness for that little girl.

Then, I'm going to hide this thread, because I just can't take the horror of it all.

What that little girl's life must have been like.

It's times like these when I dearly, dearly hope that there IS some sort of afterlife, where love and healing can take place for those who have been hurt so badly in this life.

[jonno99]

4. Agreed. nt

[JNelson6563]

19. Why does this even get posted here?

It has nothing to do with politics but threads like this sure draw a lot of attention, don't they? Sad.

[alittlelark]

3. This story has been horrifying us here in NM for a week.

Meth is a horrible drug.....

[MrScorpio]

5. Isn't Plenty Of Fish a predominately Christian dating site?

Last edited Thu Sep 15, 2016, 11:35 AM - Edit history (1)

Edit. Just checked. The answer is no.

[cleanhippie]

6. Considering that a majority of crime in this country is committed by Christians...

What does being a predominately Christian or not dating site have to do with it?

[LanternWaste]

10. s we're playing with generalities, vast majority of crimes on the planet are committed by males.

As we're simply playing with generalities to better validate our biases, the vast majority of crimes on the planet are committed by males.

[closeupready]

32. Hillary is a Christian. Therefore, your counter-question gets crickets.

See how that works?

[Act_of_Reparation]

34. Cleanhippie didn't correlate Christianity with criminality.

All he did was (correctly) demonstrate that Christianity is a poor indicator of lawfulness.

I guess it pays to actually read the post before you reply to it. Go figure.

[cleanhippie]

48. For some, knee-jerk reactions are instinctual.

Especially when they feel their privilege being challenged.

[cleanhippie]

49. Whoosh goes the point over your head.

[whathehell]

61. Most crimes are committed by males..

so maybe we should rid ourselves of them.

[whathehell]

13. The fact that a majority of people in this country are Christian

might have something to do with it, wouldn't you say?

[cleanhippie]

47. I am saying exactly that. I'm also saying being a Christian doesn't make one less prone to crime.

Wouldn't you agree?

[astral]

11. I consider this post abusive and irrelevant.

It comes across as an intent to link religion with atrocities.

[whathehell]

22. That's nothing new...

The militant atheists here are vigilant in their quest for hooks on which to hang their Religion is Evil case, and not infrequently, their zeal outweighs their judgment.

[A HERETIC I AM]

37. ...

[whathehell]

54. Glad you enjoy..

[A HERETIC I AM]

55. Oh, I did

Because your post above is fucking HILARIOUS

[whathehell]

59. I'm glad..

..It's always good to be able to laugh at yourself.

The level of cluelessness on the part of some here IS fucking HILARIOUS -- I agree!

[cleanhippie]

56. I think everyone reading enjoyed. That was some funny stuff.

[whathehell]

58. Yes, and so true!

[cleanhippie]

50. Or as intent to unlink Christianity with moral behavior.

[Codeine]

12. No. That's eHarmony. nt

[MrScorpio]

14. You're right

I don't know why I thought that it was this one. I don't know a lot about dating sites.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

16. I'm guessing "Jesus and the fish"

I can see the link.

[MrScorpio]

20. That must be it.

[Blue_Tires]

28. No, but like most free sites it does attract its share of weirdos

[malaise]

8. They will never torture her again

Throw away all the keys - they are depraved

[geek tragedy]

15. cases like this are the best argument for capital punishment.

there's really not a good argument for these monsters being allowed to remain alive for 5 more decades.

[Ron Obvious]

30. I understand your point of view...

And I even sympathise in cases like this, but capital punishment has never been shown to be any deterrent whatsoever and it would certainly not have prevented this Meth-induced horror. It's also much more expensive than keeping these monsters alive for 5 more decades.

All that would be left is vengeance and we, as a civilised society, should be above that. That said, they should never be free again, of course.

[geek tragedy]

31. not even about vengeance, more about "these people are so far

beyond redemption that their lives literally have no value to the rest of society."

Waste of resources to feed them and provide medical care, etc.

[Calculating]

45. "meth induced horror"

Let's not put the blame on meth here. Meth can put people in a bad mental state, but it doesn't cause you to go online looking for people to rape and kill your child while you watch. That's pure demented evil and shows premeditation went into this. If some meth junky freaked out and threw their baby in the microwave that would be horrific, but at least there wasn't premeditation. This woman WANTED to watch her little girl get raped and killed. It wasn't even for drugs or money. That's all on her.

[whatthehey]

38. I support the DP, but disagree

The (only) real benefit of execution is that it alone has a perfect record at preventing recidivism. Making the DP about the enormity of the crime or the sympathetic nature of the victim pushes it into the revenge territory opponents have built as a strawman. How likely are these folks to kill again? There really isn't enough info to even do an armchair psychiatry pass at guessing, but to me that's the only question we should ask when considering execution. Crimes like this certainly suggest an almost total lack of empathy and restraint, so it's not impossible they are likely to kill again given the chance, but there's also the opportunity of a defenseless victim and the possibility of treatable drug-fueled violence.

I have not much sympathy for them to say the least, and have no problem with them never seeing freedom again, but we shouldn't fall into the trap of making the DP about the details of the crime committed (young victim, splashy method, easy emotional outrage generator) rather than the crimes prevented. Keeping them locked up punishes them. Killing them should only be done to save the loss of better lives.

[OriginalGeek]

40. I think it's just the opposite.

life in prison and however many years that is of intensely studying/psychoanalyzing them to help learn why people come to such a depraved sate. This lady wasn't born a child-rapist and murderer. Something brought her there. How will we ever learn anything if we just dump all the subjects in a landfill?

[geek tragedy]

41. some people are just broken inside, nt

[OriginalGeek]

42. yeah

but why? we can't start to learn how to stop it unless we know all the ways it happens.

We know a lot of them now but we should never stop trying to learn more.

[geek tragedy]

43. it's not like they're a lawnmower engine we can disassemble and tinker with nt

[OriginalGeek]

44. Nobody suggested that.

Look, I know you want to gut that piece of shit with a rusty knife. I get it. I won't cry if it happens. But I'm not willing to sponsor state murder. Simple as that. Psychiatrists can study them and find shit out. I want to find shit out more than I want to kill people.

[Lucky Luciano]

53. Fine - general population without protection and a well informed general populace.

They'll be eliminated in no time. Won't even have to deal with the appeals process.

[Calculating]

18. As I said in the first thread

Cases like this are why nobody will ever convince me that the death penalty should be repealed. There are some TRULY evil subhuman monsters out there who are defective and need to be returned to sender. It's an insult to the memory of the victim to let these pieces of trash continue breathing and fantasizing about their depraved acts.

Or, just put them in general population in prison and let everyone know what they did. I suspect the problem would be solved in a few weeks.

[ronnie624]

23. I wish I could forget I ever saw this. n/t

[Marengo]

24. Cases like this cause me to question my anti-DP position. I like to see them hanged...

In the public square.

[Calculating]

25. Maybe we can bring the old iron maiden back

It's not like this case was even a 'heat of the moment' thing where they were all messed up on drugs. This case involved active premeditation. At no point did the mother stop to think "This is pretty messed up, maybe I should get some help or something." And WTF is wrong with the couple who volunteered to get involved? Nobody had any sort of "This is horrific, maybe I should do something" moment? It's like the perfect trifecta of 3 demonically evil individuals.

[smirkymonkey]

52. I agree. These people are so very sick and evil that I can't even get my mind around such a

level of depravity. I can barely comprehend what they did. That poor little girl. What hell she must have gone through in her short little life. I hope she is at peace now.

[Ilsa]

39. Hanging is too easy on them.

I would not object to something "cruel and unusual" for these demons.

I think I'm going to be sick. That poor little girl.

[still_one]

27. There are people which capital punishment should be applied, and this is the perfect

example

[lpbk2713]

35. Scum.

May they spend the rest of their miserable lives in extreme isolation.
They forfeited their right to have anything to do with any other humans.

[MFM008]

36. I don't believe in capital punishment

The state should never kill.

A lynch mob perhaps.
Ravenous rabid wolves.
Dr. Phibes...
This is one they could privatize.

[Initech]

46. What sick, depraved monsters. They should get the absolute max sentence.

[womanofthehills]

57. the woman on the right in the pic is the boyfriends cousin

she was only out of jail for 4 days when she did this - NM papers said she raped a woman with an object while she was in jail. So she was a big sicko with or without meth. She was the one who dismembered the poor child.

[Dorian Gray]

60. This is perhaps the worst thing I ever read

that poor poor girl. What a horror filled life she led.