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In the brutal chaos that followed the civil war, life after emancipation was harsh and often short, new book arguesThe analysis, by historian Jim Downs of Connecticut College, casts a shadow over one of the most celebrated narratives of American history, which sees the freeing of the slaves as a triumphant righting of the wrongs of a southern plantation system that kept millions of black Americans in chains.
But, as Downs shows in his book, Sick From Freedom, the reality of emancipation during the chaos of war and its bloody aftermath often fell brutally short of that positive image. Instead, freed slaves were often neglected by union soldiers or faced rampant disease, including horrific outbreaks of smallpox and cholera. Many of them simply starved to death.
After combing through obscure records, newspapers and journals Downs believes that about a quarter of the four million freed slaves either died or suffered from illness between 1862 and 1870. He writes in the book that it can be considered "the largest biological crisis of the 19th century" and yet it is one that has been little investigated by contemporary historians.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/16/slavery-starvation-civil-war
dionysus
(26,467 posts)and thus the beginning of the American ghettos...
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Their argument, if you can call it that, is the slaves were better off in the US than from where they came from.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)as emancipated laborers in the industrialized north subject to 'wage slavery'.
I think the slaves themselves made it quite clear where their preferences lay.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,525 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Seriously, they were the ones farming the land. They were the ones building the towns. They were the ones hammering the horseshoes - and for that matter caring for the horses. By any rights, every scrap of property fashioned by the hands of slaves should have passed to the hands of emancipated men and women, and the slaveowners - the thieves - should have been treated accordingly.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)During the colonial period, 41% of the city's households had slaves, compared to 6% in Philadelphia and 2% in Boston... Slaves slept in the cellars and attics of town houses or above farmhouse kitchens in the countryside. They did virtually all of the work of many households - bringing in the firewood, the water, and the food; cleaning the house and the clothing; removing the wastes. They were vital to the work of early craftsmen and manufacturers, and many became skilled artisans themselves.
And they performed almost all the heavy labor of building New York's infrastructure. Slaves constructed Fort Amsterdam and its successors along the Battery. They built the wall from which Wall Street gets its name. They built the roads, the docks, and most of the important buildings of the early city - the first city hall, the first Dutch and English churches, Fraunces Tavern, the city prison and the city hospital.
The city's Common Council passed one restrictive law after another: forbidding blacks from owning property or bequeathing it to their children; forbidding them to congregate at night or in groups larger than three; requiring them to carry lanterns after dark and to remain south of what is now Worth Street; threatening the most severe punishments, even death, for theft, arson, or conspiracy to revolt - and carrying out these punishments brutally and publicly time and again. Finally, slavery lasted a long time in New York, for fully 200 years, until it was abolished in 1827...
http://www.slaveryinnewyork.org/about_exhibit.htm
dkf
(37,305 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Zalatix
(8,994 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Since they were the maids and house workers?
And the streets of New York....since the Irish, as cops, walked the streets of New York constantly, keeping the peace.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)but even then, I doubt it.
The population of NYC in 1830 was 202,589. The population by 1860 was 813, 669 and by 1870 942,292 with 396,099 people in Brooklyn. Given the 300%+ increase in population, I am guessing that much of NYC was built after 1830.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_cities_in_the_United_States_by_population_by_decade
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)of the city. without them, it wouldn't be there -- there simply wasn't enough free labor at the time.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)but if you build just the foundation, it is not accurate to say you built the house. Without them, it might not be so big, but since it is currently an abomination that causes desolation http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/64, being smaller might not be so bad. Why does a city need free labor to be built?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)willing to do the building. which is why slavery is a typical economic strategy in sparsely populated areas, new colonization, etc.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)of the heavy lifting. Slaves literally built the place.
Chattel slavery in... New York began in 1626, when a shipment of 11 Africans was unloaded into New Amsterdam harbor by a ship that belonged to the Dutch West India Company.
Before this time, the company had attempted to encourage Dutch agricultural laborers to immigrate to and populate New Netherlands. This experiment was unsuccessful, as most immigrants wanted to accrue a sizable income in the fur trade and return to their home country in luxury.
The company turned to slavery, which was already well established in the Dutch colonies in the Caribbean, Southeast Asia, and Southern Africa. For more than two decades after the first shipment, the Dutch West India Company was dominant in the importation of slaves...a number of slaves were imported directly from the company's stations in Angola to New Netherlands to clear the forests, lay the roads, and provide other public services to the colony.
The lack of private settlers in the colony led to the company's over-dependence on slaves. While the slaves laid the foundations of the future New York, they were described by the Dutch as "proud and treacherous", a stereotype for African-born slaves.
The English took over New Amsterdam and the colony in 1664. They continued to import slaves to support the work needed. Enslaved Africans performed a wide variety of skilled and unskilled jobs, mostly in the burgeoning port city and surrounding agricultural areas. In 1703 more than 42% of New York City's households held slaves, a percentage higher than in the cities of Boston and Philadelphia, and second only to Charleston in the South.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery_in_New_York
And they performed almost all the heavy labor of building New York's infrastructure. Slaves constructed Fort Amsterdam and its successors along the Battery. They built the wall from which Wall Street gets its name. They built the roads, the docks, and most of the important buildings of the early city - the first city hall, the first Dutch and English churches, Fraunces Tavern, the city prison and the city hospital.
http://www.slaveryinnewyork.org/about_exhibit.htm
The slaves cleared land, grew crops and built roads, buildings and defenses. Wall Street, where the New York Stock Exchange is located, runs along what was once the wall of a fort built by slaves. Slaves built Fort Amsterdam, where Battery Park is now located. And they cut the road famous today for its theaters: Broadway....New Amsterdam did not have enough colonists to do the work needed to create a major port city... efforts to get more Dutch people to move there largely failed. So did efforts to put Native Americans from nearby villages to work... "Bringing the captured African seamen to New Amsterdam seemed to solve these problems. The Africans could be forced to work, and they could not escape and go home." ... Historians say that without slave labor, New Amsterdam might not have survived...
"Almost anything that people bought in New York cheese, tobacco, cloth, rum, sugar, butter was grown or made by enslaved labor," the historical society says....The local economy was built on a large, unpaid labor force that kept stores well-supplied and prices reasonable.
http://learningenglish.voanews.com/content/a-23-2006-02-19-voa2-83131317/126646.html
In 1991, contractors unearthed an African burial site in Lower Manhattan. The story pathologists found in those bones is related here. The early slaves had spinal fractures and severe deformations from hauling stones and other heavy loads over many years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/08/AR2005100801298.html
Slaves literally built the wall in Wall Street, not to mention the street itself. Not to mention that it was $$$ from the slave trade that helped make NYC a financial center in the first place.
Not to mention that many prominent NY families first got rich on the backs of their slaves. The Roosevelts (who first made their $$ in the sugar industry) spring immediately to mind. The Stuyvesant family (ancestors of a number of our present-day big-name politicians) is another.
http://www.brooklynron.com/bedstuystreet_stuyvesant.html
And even after the abolition of slavery in NY state, NYC financiers continued to be heavily involved in financing the slave trade & the sale of slave-produced goods -- NYC was probably more involved in this finance/brokering aspect than any other part of the country. This isn't any obscure history:
"New York's whole economy was built on the cotton industry," said Richard Rabinowitz, who curated the 9,000-square foot exhibition. "New York was in every sense a slave city."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/08/AR2005100801298.html
Slaves & slavery *made* NY. I don't know why people seem to want to minimize these facts.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)through the profits amassed in trading slaves & trading slave-produced goods.
NYC finance = built on the slave trade. Every major financial house.
And nobody was building NYC before the pre-colonial period.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)slave-produced goods.
just because ny outlawed slavery in 1826 doesn't mean new yorkers stopped being involved in slavery. they were involved up to their ears, and by "they," i mean the big shots.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)His assassination is a black mark on this country for many reasons. So much would be different.
bhikkhu
(10,715 posts)...and the only reason he was on the ticket to begin with was for "balance" - to gain some of the asshat vote (which Johnson represented well) from groups who basically hated or distrusted Lincoln and his policies.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)to handle the situation properly. Each property where slaves were owned should have been given, at least in part, to the slaves who lived there. The bigger plantations which were cared for by a larger number of slaves should have been given completely to the former slaves. However, the people with the slaves were the people who had the most power and taking away their land would have taken more effort than most people in the North were willing to apply. It would have been like fighting another war for the Army to seize the various properties and divide them as they should have been and the country was far too weary by then to do what needed to be done. They all just wanted to go home.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)of us did not realize that this war would go on until the present day in the form of racism. No doubt we wanted the war ended like most of us today and expected that the black former slaves would just find their place in the American system like we did when we came from Europe. Unfortunately racism did not allow that.
Christopher44
(3 posts)REP
(21,691 posts)That is not to say that this country's treatment of the former enslaved was not shameful, of course; merely that enslavement was not "better."
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(6,452 posts)Intriguing, please continue
surrealAmerican
(11,360 posts)... the Civil War would have resulted in famine and disease in the South whether the slaves had been freed or not.
YellowRubberDuckie
(19,736 posts)Their former owners had been spoiled by slavery and being catered to. The slaves were given scraps of food and had to grow their own food in small plats where they could. They also, I'm assuming, knew how to hunt game. I'd say they'd learned enough to take care of themselves and their families and were able to thrive on very little and passed that on to their children. I think it made them stronger people than the asshats who had owned them and gave them an advantage. And this just pissed off the white farmers in the south. Anyone who tells you slavery ended with Emancipation has no idea what they are talking about. Slavery didn't end until the civil rights movement in the 60s. I'm hesitant to say it's completely gone in the south since there are still people living in such poverty and squalor in the south still working for the families who owned their ancestors before the war. And given the attitude of the woman mentioned in the OP, I'm thinking it might take 5 or 6 more generations to fully get rid of the racism in that area, if it ever goes away.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)We can't make it go away in the New York Police Department. That's a bit north of the Mason-Dixon line. Racism will NEVER go away in America, much less in the South.
YellowRubberDuckie
(19,736 posts)The way I said it can be taken as: It will either take a really long time or it will never go away.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)unless you compare it to the # of white people who died during that time.
From 1862-1865 we were in a Civil War. Thousands upon thousands of white people died during that war, both in the war, or from starvation, or in the prison camps. Esp. those in the south.
So it stands to reason that freed slaves would have fared at least that poorly, and probably worse, just as anyone who was poor and without resources would've faced a harsher situation than someone with money.
I have no trouble believing that freed slaves were hit the hardest, since they would not have been able to get hired and paid decently for regular jobs, after teh war, esp if they stayed in the south. And altho they could get jobs in the north, they were probably underpaid, and there probably weren't enough jobs, since this was a time of war, and there was a sudden rush of fugitives from the south.
Lincoln himself thought that freed slaves should be sent to Africa, because their future in America would have been doubtful, given the history of slavery in the country.
Igel
(35,300 posts)This was according to a literature professor I once studied with. He was right.
In this case, you say, "Oh, the writer's just stating the obvious." The writer's point is that nobody's said the obvious because they wanted to focus on a morality tale.
The morality tale shifted over the years: From the valiant Northern whites rescuing the poor, indigent blacks from the hateful Southern whites; to having blacks participate in their own emancipation; to simply fighting against the "human wrong" of slavery. The rationale has shifted from religion to economics to human rights. The fighters went from just whites to include black soldiers, so that African-Americans "owned" their liberation; to recognizing that black owners of black slaves were also present in the South, so that no one race held all the moral trump cards.
It's been a messy morality tale, but it's still one of right over wrong, and right never does wrong. There was no downside to the virtuous victims, but horrors properly inflicted on the unjust oppressors.
Heck, if Sherman did today what he did then he'd be indicted for war crimes. Destruction of infrastructure and food supplies in order to demoralize the civilian population and undermine the Southern economy. But it's a good thing because it served a higher purpose, and only the wicked suffered.
Downs rewrites this history. The Northerners on the whole didn't care about black suffering. (Undermine morality tale.) Southerners couldn't. (The evil aside, they, too, suffered.) And the suffering wasn't just the same as under slavery, but resulting from the horrors of war and the consequences of a vindictive "reconstruction." We argue now that sanctions against Iran and Zimbabwe hurt the poor; imagine destroying the country and then imposing sanctions--morality is now blurred.
Sometimes stating the obvious is painful. Just waving your hands and saying, "Eh, he's just stating the obvious--it's meaningless so let's ignore it" is a way of masking the obvious and making it go away so we can support the dominant narrative. "We good, they bad."
"We bad, they worse" is hard for a lot of people to stomach.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)slaves were freed slaves who had bought their slave family members in order to provide for them and keep them close. I'd do the same for my still-enslaved family members if I'd been a freed slave.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)That's what I've read. Although I'm not intimately familiar with how that all worked, and I'm sure different people did things differently, for different reasons.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)"Who Do You Think You Are," the celebrity whose genealogy was being explored (I can't think of his name. He's a well-known black actor) was dismayed to learn that some of his ancestors who were free owned slaves. Further research showed that the slaves were family members of the free ancestor who owned them. The historian explained that free blacks often bought their slave relatives to give them good homes and to keep them from being sold to other people.
I don't fully understand the laws pertaining to the freeing of slaves before the abolition of slavery. I'll look up manumission.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manumission
snip:
After invention of the cotton gin in 1793, which enabled the development of extensive new areas for new types of cotton cultivation, manumissions decreased due to increased demand for slave labor. In the nineteenth century, slave revolts such as the Haitian Revolution and especially the 1831 rebellion led by Nat Turner increased slaveholder fears, and most southern states passed laws making manumission nearly impossible. Before the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which abolished slavery after the American Civil War in 1866, manumission was sometimes accomplished at the death of the owner, under conditions in his will.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)However, it was not the end of slavery that caused it, it was political incompetence that caused it.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)freeing slave led to death by deseases like smallpox and cholera is idiotic. Those deseases existed prior to emancipation. He may have been correct that many died of starvation for two reasons: they had a hard time getting work because pro-slavery southerners refused to hire them and two they were never provided with the 40 acres and a mule they were promised.
Igel
(35,300 posts)It was based on a special field order by Sherman to address a very real problem: After he went through an area and destroyed the civilian infrastructure (crops, railroads, roads, towns) the slaves followed him and his army. They needed protection. And they needed food.
Armies in hostile territory have a supply problem to begin with, esp. when they have a policy of destroying rail lines behind them. The Army lived off the land, meaning by confiscating food from civilians whose lands they occupied--and having to worry about thousands of black families trailing behind them just made "living off the land" harder. Of course, the problem was also largely self-created: By confiscating or destroying foodstocks in areas they'd gone through, Sherman's Army inevitably destroyed the foodstocks and crops that the slaves in the area would have relied on, as well. (You can call this a "righteous war crime," if you'd like--if we did it to anybody else it would be a war crime and Sherman would be equivalent to Hitler.)
So in the three states in the extreme SE of the US, Sherman instituted a policy of confiscating white-owned land and giving it to blacks, 40 acres per family. Some got mules, as well. That would tie the former slaves to the land, and they'd have to choose between staying on land that might not feed them for months and following Sherman, who didn't want to have to feed them.
The "policy" was just where Sherman had conquered, and was revoked in less than a year by his Commander in Chief.
In the hundred years that followed, the special field order concerning land morphed in the public's mind to include the mythical mule, was taken to have been official US/federal policy or law, and was extended to include the entire territory of the former Confederacy (and allied territories).
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)It's in danger of dying out know because the Island is being crowed out by resort.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Their crops were stolen even by the first colonists.
Fields burned, crops slashed, peach trees chopped down, their villages torched, buffalo
killed and left to rot.
It's how the plantation owner was able to have the land in the first place.
Somehow it was not a war crime when done to dark people? When done to white people,
destroying all their food is a war crime?
The Union was merely repeating the successful strategy they'd learned worked - to steal
land and then give it to wholesome white people to plant. So they used it on fellow white people.
The strategy worked in both situations.
Phhhtttt
(70 posts)malaise
(268,966 posts)but in the tropics pumpkins were plentiful and he was disgusted. Check the title of his famous paper.
http://www.thephora.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-6572.html
<snip>
Sunk in deep froth oceans of Benevolence, Fraternity, Emancipa- tion-principle, Christian Philanthropy, and other amiable-looking, but most baseless, and in the end baleful and all-bewildering jargon, sad pro- duct of a sceptical eighteenth century, and of poor human hearts left destitute of any earnest guidance, and dis- believing that there ever was any, Christian or Heathen, and reduced to believe in rose-pink Sentimentalism alone, and to cultivate the same under its Christian, Antichristian, Broad- brimmed, Brutus-braded, and other forms, has not the human species gone strange roads during that period? And poor Exeter Hall, cultivating the Broad-brimmed form of Christian Sentimentalisin, and long talking and bleating and braying in that strain, has it not worked out results? Our West Indian legislatings, with their spoutings, anti-spoutings, and interminable jangle and babble; our twenty millions down on the nail for blacks of our own; thirty gradual millions [p.241] more, and many brave British lives to boot, in watching blacks of other people's; and now at last our ruined sugar-estates, differential sugar-duties, immigration loan, and beautiful blacks sitting there up to the ears in pumpkins, and doleful whites sitting here without potatoes to eat: never till now, I think, did the sun look down on such a jumble of human nonsenses. God grant that the measure may now at last be full! But no, it is not yet full; we have a long way to travel back, and terrible flounderings to make, and in fact an immense load of nonsense to dislodge from our poor heads, and manifold cobwebs to rend from our poor eyes, before we get into the road again, and can begin to act as serious men that have work to do in this universe, and no longer as windy sentimentalists that merely have speeches to deliver and despatches to write. O, Heaven, in West Indian matters, and in all manner of matters, it is so with us: the more is the sorrow!
The West Indies, it appears, are short of labor, as indeed is very conceivable in those circumstances. Where a black man, by working about half an hour a day (such is the calculation), can supply himself, by aid of sun and soil, with as much pumpkin as will suffice, he is likely to be a little stiff to raise into hard work! Supply and demand, which science says should be brought to bear on him, have an uphill task of it with such a man. Strong sun supplies itself gratis, rich soil in those unpeopled, or half-peopled regions almost gratis; these are his supply, and half an hour a day, directed upon these, will produce pumpkin, which is his demand. The fortunate black man, very swiftly does he settle his account with supply and demand ; not so swiftly the less fortunate white man of those tropical localities. A bad case his, just now. He himself cannot work; and his black neighbor, rich in pumpkin, is in no haste to help him. Sunk to the ears in pumpkin, imbibing saccharine juices, and much at his ease in the creation, he can listen to the less fortunate white mans demand, and take his own time in supplying it. Higher wages, massa; higher, for your cane-crop cannot wait; still higher, till no conceivable opulence of cane-crop will cover such wages. In Demerara, as I read in the blue book of last year, the cane-crop, far and wide, stands rotting; the fortunate black gentlemen, strong in their pumpkins, having all struck till the demand rise a little. Sweet, blighted lilies, now getting up their heads again!
Tsiyu
(18,186 posts)Why the hell not?
Too hot? His hands too dainty? No bootstraps?
We could take a lesson from those pumpking-inbibing people.
The less you want, the less you are beholden to assholes.
Thanks for this telling tidbit...
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)maggiesfarmer
(297 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Downs believes that about a quarter of the four million freed slaves either died or suffered from illness between 1862 and 1870.
The OP title ignores the quote in his own post.
So, one million died or got sick. What does this mean, exactly, and where did he come by these numbers? I would point out that half the casualties in the northern and southern armies were from disease, rather than warfare.
Just because somebody put something in a book doesn't make it true. This is a contrarian historical point of view, and considering how intensely covered the Civil War has been by hundreds of historians, the idea that this thesis will stand up is very unlikely.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)was abandoned.
i'm reading a bio of jesse james right now & it talks about the terror campaigns conducted against blacks & radical republicans:
"white supremacist violence became increasingly systematic as the 1870s progressed...white paramilitaries attacked the tiny village of colfax...a force of black men held the town for three weeks before they were forced to surrender...the attackers executed at least 50 of them...in warren county mississippi a force of whites ambushed the sheriff and his supporters....killing as many as 300 africans americans in the days that followed...."
etc. this kind of violence was happening all over the former slave states in the period.
jesse james, last rebel of the civil war