Dan Rather says the first woman president needs to be "GRATEFUL and HUMBLE".

[procon]

Why?

We're going to go straight from the "uppity" black president to the "bossy" female president.

[tblue37]

1. I get so darned tired of this crap. nt

[sarae]

35. It never ends, does it?

I'm fcking sick of it, too.

[Nay]

86. The worst thing is that it is coming out of someone who should know better. Even

your allies aren't your allies.

[Agnosticsherbet]

2. Which male president did they ask to be humble? Name one.

[Qutzupalotl]

14. George W. Bush said he'd have a humble foreign policy

and we know how that turned out.

[Agnosticsherbet]

20. He volunteered to do that, and, of course, it was a lie.

He was not asked to be humble.

[Buzz Clik]

3. Dan is such a humble and grateful man himself.

[whathehell]

17. Lol..

[bravenak]

4. Fuck that shit

[uponit7771]

59. +1

[C_U_L8R]

5. Hillary can kick ass

And I wholehearted support her in all the asskicking she does

[brush]

55. She will have officially kicked Trump's ass tomorrow. I can hear the fat lady clearing her throat.

[madaboutharry]

6. Wrong Dan.

The first woman president has to be tough as nails and a hard ass who doesn't put up with sexist bullshit. The first woman president will know her place and that is in the WHITE HOUSE!

[Chemisse]

26. Exactly!

Someone needs to get his mind out of the 1950s.

Sorry if the older men don't like this, but a woman will be in charge!

[Mad_Dem_X]

114. +1,000

[Liberal Veteran]

9. She should also be clean and articulate.

Sorry. I couldn't resist.

[CentralMass]

13. Actually, that was from Joe Biden

[Liberal Veteran]

16. I know, but it came to mind as soon as I read the OP. -nt

[milestogo]

10. Some men just can't resist telling women what they should think, say, do, wear, and feel.

Rather needs to retire, never to be heard from again. And he should retire with gratitude and humility.

[tarheelsunc]

11. Did he follow it up by saying Hillary is both? eom

[sarae]

37. I saw that clip, too, and no...

he followed it up by saying he hasn't seen that out of her yet.

[Drunken Irishman]

53. No. He actually said she hasn't been either the last few weeks.

Jfc, she's running for president other PTA board.

[whathehell]

15. Whaaat?

"Rather" obvious male entitlement on display, I'd say.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

18. You know what, Dan Rather?

Fuck off back to 1919, or whenever the hell you are speaking to us from.

[NanceGreggs]

19. WHY indeed!

Why should the first woman president be any more "grateful" or "humble" than every male president who has preceded her?

When HRC wins on Tuesday night, it will be because voters determined her to be the best person for the job of POTUS and CiC - which has nothing to do with her gender.

I stand to be corrected, but I don't remember Rather declaring that male presidents-elect should be "grateful and humble".

[sarae]

39. Agreed. I'm so sick of this shit.

You don't remember him saying that about male presidents because I'm pretty damn sure he never said it...and probably never even thought it.

I don't understand. It's very simple – people just need to ask themselves "Would I say or ask this about a man?" If the answer is no, then don't say it about Hillary Clinton. Why is that so hard for some people?

[MADem]

22. No matter WHAT she does, the haters are gonna call her B-wordy and UPPITY.

Because she has the NERVE to not know her place....



Put on that damn pantsuit, Hillary, and get out there and kick ass and take names. Fuck the HUMBLE crap, they won't give you credit if you bake cookies and give them tea, either.


She's no stranger to a 100 hour work-week, she'll get more done before lunch than most Presidents get done in a week.

Be a badass, Hillary--be a real badass.

[Danascot]

23. WTF Dan?

Just listen to yourself. Do you not get that's offensive?

[texanwitch]

25. Hell no.

[JanMichael]

27. She should also be perky and nicely dressed with great hair...

[whistler162]

28. That and she needs to reach across the aisle

to Ryan! It would be nice if the Republicans did some of the reaching.

[lastlib]

67. yeah, she needs to reach across the aisle to Paul Ryan.....

...and kick his balls up to his sinus cavity!

"Now then, Paul, we're going to do this MY way, unless you want it again!"

[gwheezie]

29. I think every day she should get on tv

And challange any gop to come to the wh for a smack upside the head.

[bmstee01]

30. F That!

She knows what to do. She knows how to act. She certainly doesn't need any coaching from any man. These guys... Dan Rather, Chris Matthews... They're living in the past. The new generations don't expect a woman to apologize for herself and flatter the fragile egos of these weak men.
My hope for her is to just let her go and to have her back when she needs my support for something.
But first we have to GOTV and WIN!!!

[skylucy]

31. I came unglued when I heard that! Imagine him saying that about a man who

just won the presidency.

[sarae]

40. I did too. I was yelling at my tv.

gahhhhhh

[Crash2Parties]

32. Link, please? That just doesn't sound like him and I find nothing in the Google machine.

Even if he did, I don't know if that's misogyny; he's been rather outspoken in his positive regard for her. And when he's not yelling at today's journalists for being spineless, know-nothings, it's for not being humble. He's really big on that one.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/9/26/1574770/-Dan-Rather-Hillary-Clinton-the-first-woman-ever-to-be-on-this-stage-was-calm-and-substantive

"From the very beginning, the body language tonight was striking. Hillary Clinton, the first woman ever to be on this stage was calm and substantive. Donald Trump interrupted often and slouched and sneered as he turned to address her. This is what Trump’s fans like about him, playing the alpha male at all costs. Clinton seemed completely unflustered,"

[misterhighwasted]

34. He did say those words. I watched Rather on Tweety's show

Stupid redundancy of "what Hillary must do if..."

Lame for Dan Rather.
Perhaps a better comment would have been assuring the audience that Hillary will know exactly what the nation needs to heal & move ahead.

[procon]

45. Oh, it was him alright. He was part of a guest panel with Matthews on MSNBC.

I think it was during the last half of the 5pm(PDT) show. It might be on their website by now, certainly later tonight.

[Patiod]

63. Heard it tonight on Tweery

I was surprised myself.

[BlueStreak]

33. And enact the GOP legislative agenda. No thank you.

[sheshe2]

36. F**K HUMBLE!

hum·ble.


[ˈhəmbəl]


ADJECTIVE



1.having or showing a modest or low estimate of one's own importance:

"he was humble about his stature as one of rock history's most influential guitarists"


synonyms: meek · deferential · respectful · submissive · diffident ·
[more]

2.of low social, administrative, or political rank:

"she came from a humble, unprivileged background"


synonyms: lowly · working-class · lower-class · poor ·
[more]


VERB



1.lower (someone) in dignity or importance:

"I knew he had humbled himself to ask for my help"


synonyms: humiliate · abase · demean · lower · degrade · debase ·
[more]

FU Dan!

[sarae]

42. +1000

You know who should start being more humble? Entitled white male newscasters and pundits.

[sheshe2]

44. That comment pissed me the hell off!

The sorry assed entitled white males can take their sorry asses out of the arena. Move over boys, you don't want to work with us fine. We get it Danny, ya want us at home baking you a cake? Pfft! Bake your own. We got this on our own. Women are fired up and ready to go.

Humble my ass!

Luv ya sarae.

[Fla Dem]

112. Agree,kick ass and take names later. No more of this humble pie stuff.

Was Richard Nixon humble?
Was Regan humble?
Was GWB humble?
Was GWHB humble?

God Dammit no!

Carter was humble.
Obama was humble.
Bill Clinton was not humble.
Hillary will not be humble, she knows where all the bodies are hidden.

[bhikkhu]

38. I'd rather say "competent and effective"

It is a real job, after all.

[Orrex]

41. And her hair & makeup must be just so!

[True_Blue]

52. Yes she must be attractive at all times

After all that is a requirement for women.

[Raine]

43. NO, no "reaching across the aisle" to those deplorables

I'm sick of them getting their way from our people. This time those of us who put the president into office deserve to have our issues addressed first!

[procon]

49. She will do that and more because she's going to be the President of all of us.

She's better than any of them, we know that, and the Republicans will learn that fact soon enough. Remember, she's worked her whole life on bringing people together, brokering a consensus, and getting things done. Without all that testosterone messing things up, she'll accomplish amazing things.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

46. Can I say something here?

George W. Bush became President with a minority of the popular vote and a questionable outcome in Florida. Was he grateful and humble? No. He ran the joint like he had a 47 state mandate and won 70% of the popular vote.

[Justitia]

47. yeah, FUCK THAT

[3catwoman3]

48. Eff that advice.

She needs to kick ass and take names!

Un-bleeping-believable.

[roamer65]

50. Grateful for what????

Hillary has been belittled and mistreated all the way. We should be asking for her forgiveness.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. What the actual fuck?

Just - no.

[LenaBaby61]

54. OLD Dan ....

With his 85 year old patriarchal self

[procon]

58. He's definitely out of the 'Mad Men' era mold. nt

[Lotusflower70]

56. 2016 not 1950

Since it is 2016 and not 1950, grateful and humble are not going to get the work done. The racist crap came up with President Obama and now the sexist garbage is coming up with Hillary Clinton. Dan Rather, it is not up to you to tell a woman how to behave and what to do. Did anyone tell your sorry ass to be grateful and humble? So many men that don't have a clue about what this woman puts up with. So threatened by her that they try to diminish her. She will not be denied.

[Warpy]

57. I suspect Obama made little use of the bully pulpit

for just that reason, any "first" is going to piss a lot of very stupid people off and some of those stupid people were in a position to get in his way and threaten his family.

I'm gratified that he and his family have made it through eight years. I've lived all over this country and I know what a lot of people outside the biggest cities are like---and a few of them in the cities.

Rather's advice is good. However, she can't just sit back and take it while a bunch of partisan hacks try to dismantle a whole branch of government by refusing to fill vacancies. She needs to take that bullshit seriously and so does the DOJ.

[loyalsister]

82. Also because he has class

and doesn't buy into the confrontational BS that people seem to love given the popularity of conflict driven TV media and reality TV. I have zero appetite for that and would have lost respect if he had acted like Bush or Chenney or LBJ or anyother insecure patriarch who has served as president.

[True_Blue]

61. She should be proud . . .

What an accomplishment to be the first woman President of the United States and she's worked very hard to get there.

The white male POTUS is an endangered species.

[cstanleytech]

62. Odd, I checked google but I couldnt find where he said that. Do you happen to have a link?

[procon]

69. Not 'odd', just MSNBC on Teh TV.

The concierge has gone home for the day, but see my earlier reply - #45.

[cstanleytech]

85. Well if you find a link like say to a chat transcript or a video clip please update your OP as it

would be interesting to learn what he said exactly.

[Hekate]

111. I heard it with my own ears when he was on the tv machine. I was sartled, like WTH Dan?

No link, just first person testimony.

[COLGATE4]

66. Dan is definitely past his 'sell by' date

[JCMach1]

68. Bollocks... one word, Thatcher

However, slightly less iron wouldn't be so bad either...

[marlakay]

71. You know, *** that!

Tired of dems being so careful, so peaceful nothing gets done.

I hope she gives them hell....and not because she is a woman either!

[liberalhistorian]

73. Gee, he forgot to add

"demure" and "obedient" to the list. Fuck that noise. I'm a fifty-something gal and I'm sick to hell and back of this kind of shit.

[Cha]

74. Surprised at you, Rather.. thought you had more class

than that. That is so freaking sexist.

Hillary doesn't need you to tell her that or anything. Have you been under the proverbial rock.. have you not noticed her campaign?

Did you just catch this on tv, procon?

[senseandsensibility]

76. Very disappointing.

[Quayblue]

115. +1

[still_one]

77. what a crock. Pretty disappointed in him for that statement

[Skittles]

79. mansplaining

fuck that

[andym]

80. For context, he uses the same words to describe himself

"I have been and still am trying to be deep into humility and modesty, grateful for being able to make a living at this. I mean, CBS may have correspondents and anchors who are better at it than I've ever been. But they haven't had anybody who worked harder and cared more about the people and the place that CBS is — its history, its traditions — than I did. And still do."

So for whatever it's worth he is giving Hillary the same advice he gives himself.

[TheSarcastinator]

92. shhhh: they're too busy throwing him under the bus

Not a lot of deep thinkers in this thread.

[ronnie624]

100. What is it about Clinton's history of conduct

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that would indicate she needs this sort of advice from Dan Rather? If the OP's characterization is accurate, Rather is saying she needs to act a certain way, because she is female. There is, quite apparently, some internalized sexism at work here. It's as if he's cautioning her against being a 'bitch', or something.

[ronnie624]

103. It is not the same advice .

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He did not say he was modest and grateful for working for CBS as a male. The context is comepletely different.

[Moonwalk]

81. Where can we express our displeasure with Rather? I want to tweet, email, and comment....

...on this some place where he and those who put him on and asked for his male chauvinist opinion can see what I think. And know that if he doesn't apologize for it HUMBLY within 24 hours I'll boycott every one of their sponsors and make sure every friend and family member of mine does the same! And I intend to invite three friends to write and tell them the same thing. And then invite three of their friends to do the same unti their server goes down under the avalanche of proud and demanding voters demanding that apology!

Grateful for what? Working her ass off to EARN this job? Humble why? Because she worked her ass off and dealt with all that crap the media heaped on her, that Trump heaped on her, and that men like Rather are still heaping on her and STILL earned this job?

Where can I send email? Where can I tweet? Where can I post? Links please!

[pnwest]

84. Yeah, that got a big whatthefuckever! from me

too! Look how well "reaching across the aisle" worked out for President Obama! No, she needs to be fiercely and unapologetically hard-assed. Because FUCK the Republicans, and their lying, cheating, unscrupulous, sneaky, conniving, chauvinist, racist, homophobic, rotten, corrupt, back-room-dealing, Goddamned shenanigans.

Geez, didn't realize how angry I am!

[cyberswede]

90. Fuck a bunch of "grateful" and "humble"

She has no reason to be any more grateful and humble than any other person elected President.

She's a professional and knows how to "be."

[TheSarcastinator]

91. Every elected President should be grateful and humble for the opportunity to serve

But, whatever: please, continue to get your boxers in a bunch.

[procon]

99. Fuck that crap. Did you read any of the comments in this thread?

If Rather had added Trump to his Neanderthal advice, or even included all presidents, past, present and future, there would be no issue here. End of discussion. However, he didn't do that, he went low and delivered the classic sexist put down that us womenfolk have endured since the caveman days.

He only targeted Hillary, the first woman president, for a special 'Mad Men' style, misogynistic wisecrack that couldn't have been more inappropriate unless he'd also made a personal request for baked goods or offered advice on housekeeping chores. For women, for Democrats, Liberals, progressives and feminists, Rather's disrespectful injunction is on a par with the contemptuous rightwing comments aimed at criticizing our first black president as too 'uppity' or intellectual.

Look, telling any woman in the 21st century that she must appear properly 'grateful and humble', let alone a woman who just made history by becoming our first woman president, is a slap in the face. Hillary will be dignified and respectful of her place in history as she enters the presidency, but as the most powerful woman in the world, a position she earned through her own abilities, she has every right to be loud and proud.

Deal with it, now go bake us some cookies.

[TheSarcastinator]

104. Okeydokey, angry person

Any elected official should be grateful and humble to serve the American people, no matter their gender, and it is not an insult nor a "slap in the face" to say so. Those who have historic presidencies, as we have with Pres. Obama and soon-to-be President Clinton, should be doubly humble and grateful to serve in that capacity as well.

But, hey, carry on, brave keyboard warrior. You sure seem to have your priorities straight and your anger directed at the proper sources.

Oh, and on edit: I LOVE to bake cookies, and if I had some right now, I would share.

[procon]

109. Damned right I'm angry that this sexist bullshit is still alive and well

right here in DU. And now Hillary Clinton, who had to get past all these misogynists and their sexual stereotypes on her way to breaking that glass ceiling, is being accused of not being sufficiently grateful and humble? If you’re going to criticize her for something, don't pick sexist bullshit as your baseline, yeah?

[Upin]

93. Good advice for anyone in a position of leadership...

[joshcryer]

95. Said about someone who repeatedly says "if I'm fortunate enough to be president"?

What a dumb statement Dan's made.

[KittyWampus]

96. Darn, I was hoping she'd spike the ball in the end zone.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

97. Hmm. So, he wants her to be like Obama, who was

clearly grateful and humble when he took office.

But, the overtones? Come on, Dan, this is the 21 century on this flat earth, not the 19th.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

98. Those are actually two qualities I'd like in any political leader.

Regardless of gender.

Don't see how this is an issue.

[alphafemale]

101. Go shove a typewriter someplace, Dan.

And shut the fuck up.

[MFM008]

110. Expected this from Tom

Browcow.

[greytdemocrat]

113. She doesn't have to be either

Just be herself.

[Vinca]

116. Grateful and humble???? Why????

Is she supposed to be grateful to be the "little woman" who was let out of the kitchen? Wrong century, Dan.

[applegrove]

117. I think anyone in higher office needs to be humble and in touch with that

side of themselves. That being said nobody would ever have said that to a man.

[loyalsister]

120. Actually it has been

Note to President Bush: Try harder to be humble

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2004-11-10/news/0411100113_1_president-bush-question-intend

There's problably hundreds of other similar articles for other presidents as well. Modesty is a desireable quality in a president.

[applegrove]

121. Yes. Being humble is part of leadership. Did not hear that about Bush.

[SharonClark]

118. Oh, boo

[AngryAmish]

119. What was the role of the slave in the back of the chariot during a Triumph?

Anybody here ever read a book?