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angrychair

(8,702 posts)
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 10:13 PM Nov 2016

Tweety just got put in his place

One of his guest, Michelle Bernard, mentioned the kkk newspaper endorsement and Tweety tried to make light of it and say it didn't matter and Ms. Bernard, as a women and person of color, promptly reminded him:

"As a white male you can say that".

People like Tweety: a wealthy, famous, white male, have little actual understanding of what life can be like for others not like him.

As a middle-aged (though not famous and far from wealthy) white male myself, I try very hard to never forgot that racism, bigotry and misogyny are very real even if I don't see it, associate with people that engage in it or experience it, it is very real none the less.



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Tweety just got put in his place (Original Post) angrychair Nov 2016 OP
Wow that says a lot about Mathews rockfordfile Nov 2016 #1
To be fair angrychair Nov 2016 #4
I watched the conversation and he was off base, imo eleny Nov 2016 #33
Not only that, but I think he's out of touch economically. Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2016 #2
Exactly! dae Nov 2016 #20
"...a white male can say that" handmade34 Nov 2016 #3
The other thing I found awful for Tweety to say is that the KKK didn't matter anymore. He napi21 Nov 2016 #5
"The other thing I found awful for Tweety ..." left-of-center2012 Nov 2016 #6
One of his dumber reactions, it was a shock lostnfound Nov 2016 #7
white privilege at work IcyPeas Nov 2016 #8
It's not just kkk members. You don't have to wear a white robe to be a turd. duncang Nov 2016 #23
"As a white male you can say that". + 10000 !!! I've been saying that all election !!!! uponit7771 Nov 2016 #9
I *luerve* when that (Tweety put in place) happens!1 n/t UTUSN Nov 2016 #10
Here's a 20+ yrs psychological study of Tweety, oldie but goodie: UTUSN Nov 2016 #34
Damn Straight! Cha Nov 2016 #11
Morons like him make the way smooth for fascism. 6000eliot Nov 2016 #13
So very true angrychair Nov 2016 #15
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Nov 2016 #16
Matthews is intellectually inconsistent. kstewart33 Nov 2016 #17
Watched "13th" on Netflix today Hulk Nov 2016 #18
I saw that. It's the second time in a week he's said it & I'm glad she challenged him .... Hekate Nov 2016 #19
Fuck Tweety! LovingA2andMI Nov 2016 #21
Amazing moment. Blue Idaho Nov 2016 #22
Context PoorMonger Nov 2016 #24
he was also babbling last night about how getagrip_already Nov 2016 #26
What was his reply to her response? SummerSnow Nov 2016 #27
At the very least it matters as pure symbolism of the hate that Trump represents. manicraven Nov 2016 #28
Thinking of the Murrah Building... manicraven Nov 2016 #29
One vestige of this campaign experience for me will be that I will never again watch Chris Matthews. TonyPDX Nov 2016 #32

angrychair

(8,702 posts)
4. To be fair
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 10:24 PM
Nov 2016

In context his attempt to make light of them was to say they didn't matter and were not relevant, that there was to few of them to matter.

Where I take issue with that is that it is not so much their membership I care about but their ideals. The fact that one of their former leaders, David Duke, is running for the Senate.

What they represent should never be forgotten or that their have far to many followers of their ideals, what the kkk represents, in our society.

They don't call themselves "kkk" anymore...they are called "republicans" now. They don't kill people outright anymore, they just slowly squeeze the hope and prosperity out of them.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
33. I watched the conversation and he was off base, imo
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 09:39 PM
Nov 2016

His mouth was going faster than his brain. MB actually needed to explain the obvious to him. I think when he embarrasses himself he doesn't know that he should just stfu.

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,855 posts)
2. Not only that, but I think he's out of touch economically.
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 10:18 PM
Nov 2016

He seems to get irritable at any liberals who are "too negative" about this country -- e.g., Michael Moore and Phil Donahue -- when they point out various hardships that Americans endure.

Watch about one minute into this video:

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
3. "...a white male can say that"
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 10:21 PM
Nov 2016

so very true and Chris Matthews ought to be schooled...

from SPLC:

But there were significant increases in Klan as well as black separatist groups.
Klan chapters grew from 72 in 2014 to 190 last year, invigorated by the 364 pro-Confederate battle flag rallies that took place after South Carolina took down the battle flag from its Capitol grounds following the June massacre of nine black churchgoers by a white supremacist flag enthusiast in Charleston, S.C. Rallies in favor of the battle flag were held in 26 states — concentrated, but by no means limited to the South — and reflected widespread white anger that the tide in the country was turning against them.
On the opposite end of the political spectrum, black separatist hate groups also grew, going from 113 chapters in 2014 to 180 last year. The growth was fueled largely by the explosion of anger fostered by highly publicized incidents of police shootings of black men. But unlike activists for racial justice such as those in the Black Lives Matter movement, the black separatist groups did not stop at demands for police reforms and an end to structural racism. Instead, they typically demonized all whites, gays, and, in particular, Jews.



napi21

(45,806 posts)
5. The other thing I found awful for Tweety to say is that the KKK didn't matter anymore. He
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 10:26 PM
Nov 2016

said "How many members do they have, 20? I'm an old white lady who grew up in PA and had only heard of the KKK in the newspaper. Then I moved to SC. The KKK is quite alive and a whole lot more populated than 20! I was the Finance mgr. for a business there and used to work most Saturdays for at least few hours. I heard on the TV & the Radio that the KKK wa holding a big rally in the town I had to drive through to get to my office, and I refused to work that day. I was scared. I'm still not sure why because as I said, I'm not black, but they always talk and act so very mean and angry, I guess I feared them being angry at me for not being on their side. I'm going to send an email to Tweety and tell him just how wrong he is!

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
6. "The other thing I found awful for Tweety ..."
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 10:40 PM
Nov 2016

His accent drives me nuts.
I've heard him say it's a Pennsylvania accent. I grew up in PA and never heard anyone talk like him.

What he has, I think, is a stuck up Philadelphia accent.

Even Bryan Williams was mocking Matthews' accent tonight, about Matthews saying "atty-tude" instead of "atta-tude".

IcyPeas

(21,889 posts)
8. white privilege at work
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 11:11 PM
Nov 2016

he said to her the KKK were a joke. how offensive was that to say to a woman of color? she probably wanted to scream.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
23. It's not just kkk members. You don't have to wear a white robe to be a turd.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:20 AM
Nov 2016

Dipshit has shown where he was at. He didn't acknowledge them directly on stage but his words were understood. A couple we were friends of were mixed race couple. And it wasn't just the kkk shit. It something was what they put up everyday of their lives. They had been married 45 years. The same thing dipshit pushed was the same thing they heard every day.

UTUSN

(70,710 posts)
34. Here's a 20+ yrs psychological study of Tweety, oldie but goodie:
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 10:52 PM
Nov 2016
Etymology of "Tweety". During Campaign 2000 the media noise machine was swooning over the nicknames Shrub was giving some of them. Media Whores Online ran a contest to nickname Chris MATTHEWS. In the first three or so weeks, there was no clear, catchy front runner, with "The Screamer" sort of leading. Then one of MATTHEWS's own Hardball staff leaked to MWO that they themselves called him "Tweety" because of the Clairol shade of hair coloring he favored. This was immediately declared the winner. But in some quarters, it wasn't entirely satisfactory. For one thing, by the time the name was declared, the shade had changed to platinum, leading to a suggestion he be called "Carole LOMBARD".




Plus, "Tweety" sounded too affectionate.

Then M-TV held its 20th or 25th or whatever anniversary, and all the cable echo chambers were doing segments of Britney shedding her duds down to almost nothing. Not to be left behind, Tweety followed suit, with a guest "culture" commentator from Time Mag, the young humor columnist, Joel STEIN. The staff kept re-running the Britney clip, and Tweety was clearly DROOLING disgustingly. STEIN said, "You're beginning to creep me out." Tweety responded, "Yeah, well, wait till YOU're 50." This led to the suggestion that "Tweety" be modified to "Tweezer" to retain the hair reference while canceling out the affection factor and also adding the (dirty old) "geezer" angle.

Darrell HAMMOND "Doing" Tweety on SNL. Tweety's ego was massively stroked after the debut of HAMMOND's impersonation of him, either in 2001 or 2002. He said, "I am now an ICON: I have been 'done' on Saturday Night Live'." The funniest line in the debut was HAMMOND as Tweety, cracking himself up with, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]"For the ... FIFTY ... people who watch this show[/FONT]...” (Hardball, not SNL). In the first few times HAMMOND featured him, the target was Tweety himself -- manically interrupting, spitting, and drooling. However, the characterization evolved, not true to the original, where Tweety became the "rational" character surrounded by oddball, extremist "guests", with HAMMOND-Tweety shaking his head in disbelief at their partisan spin.

"Turning" from Being a Democrat. He (like G.E.RUSSERT and Pat CADDELL) still trades on having been a Democrat in the CARTER/O'NEILL era. In the hothouse of big time political flunkydom, STATUS and POWER come from the SUCCESS of your boss. RAYGUN kicked Tweety's bosses' rears, and Tweety gravitated to admiring that "success". When he started up his media career he was mentored by G.E. RUSSERT, who had himself already started "turning" by "reaching out" to LIMBOsevic and expending his formerly-Lib-bleeding-heart on those poor wingnuts who had been maligned and marginalized by the Liberal Elite, lo those many years. Tweety started doing video valentines to RAYGUN, promenading arm in arm with Nancy. He might have tapped into the frenzy of the FAKE impeachment, but "hatred of the CLINTONs" isn't what made him turn. The last time he was identifiably a Democrat was sometime around 1988 when Hardball (the book) was published. Throughout the year of Campaign 2000 he savaged the Dem candidate daily and went on to years of bromance over Shrub, renouncing any Democratic heritage. He said his parents were “cloth coat" (Rethugs), and that basically what first drew him to the Dem side was Irish-Catholic pride over JFK. Not ideology, not idealism. He said the reason he joined the Peace Corps was specifically to avoid going to Vietnam.

How Tweety "Executed" DONAHUE on MSNBC. Tweety was on his book tour for another one of his "books" (large type, wide spaces between lines, blank half-pages). It was in the jingoistic hysteria in the run-up to the illegal Iraq attack. The book was about supposed "Americanism" -- an American Civ 101 ripoff about books and movies and cultural stuff that are essentially American (think, "The Great Gatsby&quot . So Phil welcomed him as a colleague and peer on Phil's MSNBC show for the full hour to plug the book. From the moment he appeared, there was a strange, deadly snake look in Tweety's snake eyes. Phil was walking around the audience, apparently not sensing anything, while Tweety was motionless, following him only with his eyes. Phil brought up something or other questioning blind, kneejerk jingoism, and Tweety STRUCK! He started out with venom dripping, "You see, THIS is EXACTLY what's wrong with YOU Liberals: You are NEGATIVE about this country, you find NOTHING good about it," and on and on. It took awhile before Phil figured out what was happening. Later, Phil, devastated and spent, was sitting at the table with Tweety and, weaker and weaker, did some of his trademark shoulder shrugging and arm waving. Tweety delivered the coup de grace, "What's THIS (mimicking the movements)??!! What's with the --APE-- movements???!" Days or a week or two later, Phil's cancellation was announced and took effect.

How Tweety "Triggered" a Gun Incident (re: Kathleen WILLEY). At the height of the FAKE impeachment, Ms WILLEY claimed that a mystery jogger had threatened her or her cat or somebody, with the insinuation that there was a CLINTON connection. Several months later, there was gossip that the jogger had been identified. Tweety hosted her and it appeared they had discussed the identity off camera. He tried mightily to get her to say the name on the air, which she wouldn't do. Finally, he himself blurted it out, "Was it (Name/Surname)?" She wouldn’t confirm it. Within days there was a bizarre incident, with the mentally disabled brother of Pat and Bay BUCHANAN going with a gun to the house of the supposed jogger named by Tweety, where there were only some foreign exchange students present. Later it was determined that the person Tweety named on the air had NOTHING to do with the supposed jogger incident.

"Heroes" Tweety and Tom DeLAY. In the aftermath of the 07-24-98 shooting of two Capitol police officers when the slain officers were duly eulogized and called heroes, Tweety latched on to this, the way we have seen him attempt to glorify himself in other instances: Like saying he was assigned to Africa in the Peace Corps and "WALKED THE SAME GROUND" THAT CHURCHILL had passed through. Or when he said, "I am an ICON! I have been 'done' by SNL!". So now that the Capitol policemen were being called heroes, Tweety came forward to say that HE had been a Capitol policemen, TOO, JUST LIKE THEM, when he was starting out. It turns out that he had worked a (temporary?) job for three months as that. In all the years before the officers were shot and eulogized, he probably NEVER referred to that job, most likely thinking of it as a rent-a-cop turn, until he could see in retrospect the glory that he had been DESTINED to from the beginning.

But he is not the only glory hog. When that incident was happening, the news of the moment reported that Tom DELAY had hopped a plane out of town and immediately turned around in Houston when the incident was over. This show of courage is why he has been dubbed, "Tom-DePLANE!-DePLANE!-DELAY".

But searches of countless news reports of that time show no mention of the hopping-the-plane. Only this is left:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm /... "...House members, many rushing out of town, did not have to remain behind. DeLay slipped out the main door of the Capitol less than 15 minutes after the shooting. He looked stricken. Asked if he'd seen anything, he said, "Did I ever. I don't want to talk about it." Aides rushed him into his waiting car. ...."
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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
17. Matthews is intellectually inconsistent.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 12:12 AM
Nov 2016

One minute he says something smart, and another minute and he's verbally idiotic.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
18. Watched "13th" on Netflix today
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 12:32 AM
Nov 2016

Gave me a whole new perspective on the "colored reality" in this country. I highly recommend it. I've always thought I understood what the black man and woman have suffered in this country. Not even close.

Watch it and learn something. Should be required viewing for all Americans.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
19. I saw that. It's the second time in a week he's said it & I'm glad she challenged him ....
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 12:33 AM
Nov 2016

...and did not back down. He needs to do some current research on hate groups in the US. Trump picked up a big rock and they all crawled out into the light of day, where he encoraged them to thump their chests and start threatening violence, as is their wont.

Tweety looked like an ignorant fool.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
22. Amazing moment.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:06 AM
Nov 2016

As she said, Tweety has the luxury of trivializing the KKK - something no person of color can do. The depth of his shallowness is just stupendous.

PoorMonger

(844 posts)
24. Context
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 01:22 AM
Nov 2016

One should never make light of kkk ( or any shadowy hate based group) you want to think their numbers are small - but you never really know how to gauge their true numbers in sympathizers simply because they operate in secret, their actual enlistment rolls are always going to be under reported because it's not wise ( even for your most dense racist ) to openly admit to being in it. It's also true in a very provable way that the Obama presidency brought them back out of the woodwork : just as the Civil War spawned them and WW1 , WW2, & The Civil Rights Era breathed more hate into them. We should remember that they are if nothing else an adaptable hate machine. Just because a black POTUS is on the way out doesn't mean they aren't equally or more threatened by the idea of a woman in the White House. Any paradigm shift towards progress will spark them.


getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
26. he was also babbling last night about how
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:41 PM
Nov 2016

the dems had abandoned the working poor, and rattled off a bunch of largely blue collar white regions. One of his guests pointed out "yeah, white poor you mean". The person then pointed out it was the loss of union jobs that hurt those areas. But it wasn't the dems who abandoned them.

manicraven

(901 posts)
28. At the very least it matters as pure symbolism of the hate that Trump represents.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:43 PM
Nov 2016

That should worry the GOP!

GOP = hate = KKK and white supremacists/nationalists

It is totally significant!

manicraven

(901 posts)
29. Thinking of the Murrah Building...
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 02:46 PM
Nov 2016

We should all be worried about these "small" groups of haters... They are not irrelevant and from what I've been reading, their numbers are on the rise.

Tweetie was just irresponsible and stupid.

TonyPDX

(962 posts)
32. One vestige of this campaign experience for me will be that I will never again watch Chris Matthews.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 09:23 PM
Nov 2016

Never.

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