I don't get the rationale of these Birther people

[HockeyMom]

So, now Rubio is not a "natural born citizen" either, because of his parents birth. Ok, putting that aside, I read some say that even though his mother had become a naturalized citizen before his birth, his father hadn't and because his FATHER was not a citizen, he is not eligible. Same they say with Obama and his American mother and Kenyan Father.

Ok, Welcome to the 21st Century, or as that saying goes, Who's your Daddy? I mean that literally as in DNA. Maybe I have watched too many Maury shows, but absent a DNA test, is a certain man REALLY the father. Much easier for a woman to prove she is the mother.

In today's world, we now have many single Moms, IVF, Sperm Donors, and besides, sealed Adoptions. Why are these people insisting it is the FATHER of the child to determine eligibilty? Maybe in the 18th Century it might have made sense, but certainly not in this century.

I know, I know, they are all very wrong, but I am just trying to debunk this aspect of what they are saying. At any rate, I suppose they forgot about Henry Kissenger, who was born in Germany himself, and was still in line for the Presidency as Secretary of State.

[Blue_Tires]

1. simple

1. racism
2. media distraction because the GOP knows they can't win on the issues...

[clang1]

2. re: I don't get the rationale of these Birther people

They are mostly batshit crazy crackheads. What's not to understand?

[chemenger]

28. You don't have to be a crackhead to be batshit crazy.

Most Republicans come by it honestly.

[JHB]

3. You have to remove the "rational" from "rationale"

Once you recognize "rational" has nothing to do with what they claim they believe, figuring it out becomes much easier.

[mmonk]

4. Is there a rationale to racism?

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5. kissenger was secretary of state but was never in line for the presidency.

[Thinkingabout]

18. Secretary of State is fourth in line for succeeding the president

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23. had it come to it, they would have had to skip over him because he's not constitutionally qualified.

the order of succession does not trump the other constitutional requirements for the office of the president.

[madashelltoo]

6. Could be old folks ODing on pressure pills!

[kestrel91316]

7. The rationale is: Rubio isn't black. Oh, and Kissinger was never technically in line for the

presidency because he was NOT a natural-born but rather a naturalized citizen.

[MiniMe]

8. One of the 247 reasons I don't believe Romney when he says they are vetting Rubio for the VP slot

Of course, I don't believe much that Romney says about anything

[madashelltoo]

10. Stop it, MiniMe!!!!!!!

You nailed that lying sack of shit AGAIN!!!!!!!

[Marr]

9. Wait-- the're saying Rubio isn't really a citizen?

And they're basing that on a claim that *one* of his parents wasn't a citizen when he was born? Do I have that right?

I wouldn't even know where to begin. Even if you accept their accusations as true, it wouldn't effect Rubio's status or eligibility for the post. It's just asinine.

[HockeyMom]

11. These people (Freepers) are saying that a person's father

must have been born in the US. Well, so far, they aren't disputing that Rubio was born in the US, but saying he is ineligible because his father was Cuban. Mothers don't count.

[madashelltoo]

12. Obviously, you did not get your memo

Hell no, women don't count. His mama could Betsy Fuckin' Ross and it wouldn't make one bit of a difference. Yet, the very people they turn their noses up at hold the same view. The rights of a child follow the lineage of the father. Africa, the Middle East, etc.

[HockeyMom]

16. Ah, but my point is

WHO is the father? Just because a woman says he is? Again, Maury Show. DNA testing for Presidents to prove paternity? As I said in my post, what about IVF and Sperm Donors? It makes more sense to me that the MOTHER, far more easily proved, should be the citizen. I know how they feel about women, but they will just assume fatherhood? Suppose a couple has IVF and uses a sperm donor. The BC will list the "husband's" name as the father, but he is not the biological father of the child. The real biological father could be anybody, and a non-citizen.

That is the point I was making. Very patriarchal viewpoint. and will eventually come back to haunt them in today's world.

[madashelltoo]

22. You know you just confused the hell out of them, don't you?

[jeff47]

27. That was the law....in 1790

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

The law's been changed since then, and the 14th amendment superseds the law anyway.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. All you need to know:

R A C I S M

[hughee99]

14. Kissenger was not really in line for the Presidency.

His office (SoS) was, but he would have been skipped over as "ineligible".

[IndyPragmatist123]

15. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the VP doesn't have to be a "natural born citizen"

Correct?

Obviously, if the President dies or steps down, the VP couldn't be President, but he could still legally serve as VP.

[Orangepeel]

20. 12th amendment says the VP has to be qualified to be president.

There really isn't much point to a VP who can't become president.

[Thinkingabout]

21. Both those running for president and vice president

Are both to be natural born citizens with at least one parent being a citizen at the time of birth. US Code Title 8, Section 1401 explains requirements for a person to run for president and vice president. This section does not define one parent as being the father. There have been 7 presidents who had only one parent as a citizen of the USA.

[Orangepeel]

17. There is no rationale, just rationalization

If Obama's father had been a citizen and his mother not, they'd be saying the opposite.

"he was born in Kenya!"
"The state of Hawaii says he was born there"
"well, it's a conspiracy. And even if he was born in Hawaii he father wasn't!"
"not that it matters because he was born in the US, but even if he hadn't been, his mother was a citizen."
"she wasn't old enough!"

Feh.

[GarroHorus]

19. They don't like brown people

According to them, Obama, Jindal, and Rubio are all ineligible even though all three were born in America.

If you recall, though, not a word about the eligibility of Michael Dukakis was spoken even though he was the son of Greek immigrants. Spiro Agnew was Veep and he was the son of Greek immigrants, too. Agnew's father became a naturalized citizen two years after Spiro's birth.

Chester Alan Arthur's father was Irish and was not naturalized at the time of Arthur's birth.

So what's the difference here? The white men who fail to meet the new definition for natural born citizen were candidates, veeps, or even president while white. The others are brown.

Pretty simple answer if you ask me.

[Inkfreak]

24. If POTUS is declared a non citizen.

Then any & all legislation is considered null & void. This is the mindset of these birthers. I know this cause I confronted a family member who is one. I love this person with all my heart but they are completely absurd. It saddens me greatly.

[maryellen99]

25. You can't reason with the stupid nt

I don't discuss anything politics with Birthers what's the point?

[jeff47]

26. Just remind them the 14th amendment exists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Clause

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

When they claim citizenship derives from fathers, they're referring to the Naturalization act of 1790
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

This law has been superseded many times, and the 14th amendment completely annihilates it.