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Here's the deal... (Original Post) SHRED Dec 2016 OP
"When they go low, we go high." CrispyQ Dec 2016 #1
Lemme know how that works out for ya Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #5
Welcome to U, Nwgirl503. calimary Dec 2016 #19
Me too Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #24
I agree zippythepinhead Dec 2016 #26
I think the biggest failure of the Dems has been getting out the facts. Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #31
Exactly.. coco22 Dec 2016 #34
Welcome to DU, to you, too, coco22! calimary Dec 2016 #36
I faintly remember this Dean and Roemer thing but.. coco22 Dec 2016 #37
I've already seen how that works out. CrispyQ Dec 2016 #30
My reply was a proverbial you Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #32
And I can be dense. CrispyQ Dec 2016 #38
Yes, taking the high road elmac Dec 2016 #9
Or the movie Idiocracy Nwgirl503 Dec 2016 #10
Another movie that will likely stun you is "Network." calimary Dec 2016 #20
THIS! n/t bear425 Dec 2016 #29
littlemissmartypants Dec 2016 #33
So damn true ALBliberal Dec 2016 #15
True That Martin Eden Dec 2016 #2
Yep standingtall Dec 2016 #3
Coming away after watching the presser. He left the choice to Congress. Ellipsis Dec 2016 #4
That was painful to watch tavalon Dec 2016 #8
He chose his words carefully... he made me proud. Ellipsis Dec 2016 #14
because AlexSFCA Dec 2016 #6
'Stronger'? 'Psychopathically criminal authoritarian', maybe. byronius Dec 2016 #7
We need to shut them down instead. Quanta Dec 2016 #11
Welcome to DU, Quanta! secondwind Dec 2016 #12
probably the single most frustrating thing about our party of forward thinkers lastone Dec 2016 #13
At the risk of being removed I'll say I do not understand why the DNC and all the rest Ford_Prefect Dec 2016 #16
Agreed...It's frightening SHRED Dec 2016 #17
Perhaps it could be because of Donna Brazile? calimary Dec 2016 #21
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #28
Damn right TheDemsshouldhireme Dec 2016 #18
2650 Wisconsin Ave Washington, DC 20007 fleabiscuit Dec 2016 #22
Should go Viral TheDemsshouldhireme Dec 2016 #23
Yeah we're gonna have to stop placing so much stock on decorum after a year like this.. JHan Dec 2016 #35
pretty much. democrats are completely useless. nt TheFrenchRazor Dec 2016 #25
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2016 #27

Nwgirl503

(406 posts)
5. Lemme know how that works out for ya
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 09:53 PM
Dec 2016

That's the thought I wake up to every morning since the election. When we're hiding out in attics and writing our memoirs of how it all came to pass...hopefully the idea that we went high when they went low will provide comfort for those to come after us.

calimary

(81,277 posts)
19. Welcome to U, Nwgirl503.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 11:52 PM
Dec 2016

This shit is just beyond discouraging! I've noticed more appeals lately that Dems start fighting like the GOP does. Ruthlessly, deviously, dirty.

Hey, if that's the way the game is played, I say we go all in. I say we BETTER go all in! FUCK this shit about taking a nice feather duster to a gunfight.

Many of us have been complaining about this FOR YEARS. TIRED of being nice. SICK of "taking the high road." I have observed, over the years, that taking the high road leads you straight over a cliff.

If we always take the high road, and the enemy takes the low road, we WILL lose. And we'll have that "lovely" satisfaction of being all moral and nice and high-minded - while we're shut out of power and the bad guys with the worst ideas and the shittiest motivations and the most crass and most sinister ulterior motives get to govern and lock their power in and cheat and lie and scheme and stack the deck and then get away with it.

I sincerely love Michelle Obama's invocation of our better angels: "when they go low, we go high." I love the sound of it and I love the meaning behind it. I believe that's how it should be. And I wish that was how it could be. But this is real life. Greed and lust for power are real. They're big-time motivators and the ultimate intoxicants. They actually won this time, needing to cheat to do so, but it helped them steal a win. And if we don't fight on those terms, we are simply kidding ourselves. And they will win again. As long as we face adversaries with this agenda, we simply cannot continue "being nice." Or "playing by the rules." When the other side basically says "Screw the rules!" then we're the ones who'll get screwed.

I wish it weren't this way! I wish both sides played fair. Because our side certainly seems to prefer it that way. But it takes two. And the other side would rather win. By any means necessary. At some point, Democrats really do have to stop playing nice.

Nwgirl503

(406 posts)
24. Me too
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:51 AM
Dec 2016

I sincerely love Michelle Obama's invocation of our better angels: "when they go low, we go high." I love the sound of it and I love the meaning behind it. I believe that's how it should be. And I wish that was how it could be.


I'm nice...and fun, and like to laugh. Devils advocate is my favorite position. I enjoy trying to understand the other side. I have grace and empathy for other people.

But when push comes to shove and it's you vs. me...it's gonna be me if I have anything to do with it. We can sit by the campfire and sing kumbayah and makes smores some other time. Push me and I'm gonna come out swinging and by hook or crook I'm gonna beat you. Fair play applies to board games.

I'm devastated that way more of my fellow men are filled with hatred and selfishness than even I thought possible. I'm astounded by the lack of humanity I'm seeing all around me. And I'm legitimately frightened about what's coming, especially when I'm watching the apathy and lack of fight from people who are in the position to be putting up the fight.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
31. I think the biggest failure of the Dems has been getting out the facts.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 11:06 AM
Dec 2016

Hillary would have won in a landslide if not for people who voted against her because they believed lies the RW propaganda machine sold them about her, Obama, and the Democrats in general.

We have got to figure out how to combat the RW propaganda machine.

coco22

(1,258 posts)
34. Exactly..
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 01:47 PM
Dec 2016

The Dems in the past would be KICKING ASS! and TAKING NAMES. Every time I or others would say this in the past someone would shut down the post or report me or others as talking against Democrats, If we don't talk about it how can we solve things.

In the past Dems could say what was on their mind without being shut out. I wrote to the DNC during the campaign. They ignored us.

calimary

(81,277 posts)
36. Welcome to DU, to you, too, coco22!
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 02:41 PM
Dec 2016

I'm glad you wrote to the DNC during the campaign, although it would have been more effective if thousands of us had done that same thing.

I tried several tweet storms (or whatever-the-hell they're called) to every media/news/reporter/pundit person I could think of, on the air and in print. About their absolutely shitty coverage. Might have been more effective if I hadn't been pretty much alone doing it.

I remember back in 2005 when the DNC was looking for a new chairperson. They already had somebody picked out. They seemed to like Tim Roemer an awful lot. But he was a moderate Dem and not pro-choice, moderate - be nice! Be laid back! Don't make waves! Don't get nasty and in-yer-face! So the party powers conducted a "listening tour" across the country. Went to quite a few cities from coast-to-coast, holding public hearings.

I heard about the one here in L.A. and went to it. Patriotic Hall WAAAAY downtown, with its own little parking lot that filled up fast. I had to park blocks away. Arrived, no room in the big meeting room that probably held at least 200-300. Standing room only. People along the aisles and spilling out into the lobby. WAY too many people wanting to speak for two minutes each. There was a panel of DNCers onstage, filling a dais that stretched from one end of the stage to the other.

People took turns giving their public comments. EVERYBODY wanted Howard Dean. It was clear that he wasn't on anybody's short list up there on stage. They kept asking about Tim Roemer, and a few other forgettables. We were having NONE of it. Howard Dean's name kept coming up again and again and again, speaker after speaker after speaker. They passed out colored index cards, if you wanted Howard Dean you held up the green one. If you wanted Tim Roemer you held up the red one. If you wanted somebody else, you held up a blue card. They extended public comment on this two-hour event for an additional hour because there were so many of us. I was one of many leftovers throughout the building during this meeting who didn't get a chance to speak. I think there were maybe as many as FIVE people, TOTAL, who did have a chance to speak, who recommended Roemer or some other name. EVERYBODY ELSE THERE wanted Howard Dean. Adamantly and enthusiastically. Time came for the vote - hold up your card when your preferred candidate's name was called - and a SEA of green cards went up. There were names called where NO cards went up, at all. I think Tim Roemer got two or three votes. Howard Dean got HUNDREDS.

We later learned that this same thing happened at EVERY stop along this DNC listening tour. You could see the expressions on the faces of the party officials seated onstage. This was NOT the result they wanted or planned on, and you could tell by their flustered reactions. But by Jove we got Howard Dean as DNC chair. And what happened? We went from completely out in the wilderness in Washington to owning it ALL - House, Senate, AND White House by 2008.

I wish The Good Doctor would run again, but he's taken his name out of consideration by now. His 50-state strategy WORKED. It forced the Dems to look, and think, outside the damn Beltway, and beyond just the presumed "battleground states." Democrats were activated and encouraged - EVERYWHERE. And it would have worked this time, too, I'm convinced. There wouldn't be ANY voices raised now, complaining that Hillary's campaign never went to Wisconsin, for example. There would be none of this "meh, we're not gonna win in Louisiana anyway, so why try?" shit that almost literally handed a valuable open Senate seat back to the CONS without so much as even a single burp of objection. They left NO stone unturned on Howard Dean's watch and took nothing for granted. And it WORKED.

I don't know if Keith Ellison fully gets that or not. I don't know if Perez gets that, or any of the others do, either. You can bet your house that the flaccid milquetoast Donna Brazile doesn't get it, and Thank God she's just an interim chair (no wonder we didn't have anybody aggressively fighting for it in Louisiana for that last Senate campaign of this election cycle. The disgraceful wishy-washy DONNA BRAZILE was in charge. A banana slug would show more backbone than she does)! And I don't know if any of them is the scrappy fighter that Howard Dean was, and exactly what we need NOW.

And the masses of us need to speak up, and get out there and fight. In numbers too big to ignore, like the song says. Years ago I remember seeing some republi-CON party woman interviewed who pointed out her party's fundamental appeal: "we fight." At the time I thought - "yeah, whatever. Fight, fight, fight. All you guys do is fight." But by now I've realized - yeah! They FIGHT! And people LIKE that. We don't fight. I don't know why! And sadly, that's the attitude that prevails.

coco22

(1,258 posts)
37. I faintly remember this Dean and Roemer thing but..
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 05:32 PM
Dec 2016

I am not sure if Dean will work now at this time. DWS is a problem,Donna Brazile angered me every time she show up on Sunday show,with her stale jokes and phony laughter. I think we need more fighters we need youngbloods who will stand up to Paul Ryan and the rest,we need wise older congressmen,and women who know how to play the game and play it well. Older congress should be grooming and mentoring others.

We can't keep living in the sixties and when we talk about issues we need to focus on the economy and how it can help every sector of people in this country. Trump won many by saying he wants to help this country not others but we know its about his pocketpook and racism. Simple statements won over voters who don't look further as he throws out simple statements. During the campaign I kept saying How,how,how,how,how and the media kept saying emails,emails,emails.

Yes, we have to fight for what was won in the sixties but,Democrats spend time worshipping former leaders and ceremonial bull while republiCons are behind the scenes planning and plotting.

CrispyQ

(36,470 posts)
30. I've already seen how that works out.
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 09:40 AM
Dec 2016

Perhaps you only read the subject line of my post & not my post. We are FUBARed for decades, perhaps forever. The dems didn't just drop the ball. they lost the game.

Nwgirl503

(406 posts)
32. My reply was a proverbial you
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:42 PM
Dec 2016

I write how I speak and sometimes something gets lost in translation. Sorry.

Nwgirl503

(406 posts)
10. Or the movie Idiocracy
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 10:43 PM
Dec 2016

A friend a few years ago pushed that movie onto me, telling me it had very applicable ideas and undertone. And I brushed it off as impossible. Oh.....to be young and naive again.

calimary

(81,277 posts)
20. Another movie that will likely stun you is "Network."
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:03 AM
Dec 2016

From 1976. Written by Paddy Chayevsky, starring Peter Finch as a network anchorman who flips out on camera and becomes a ratings sensation, Faye Dunaway as a scheming network programming chief who dreams up what we'd now call Reality TV, and William Holden as the head of the network news division when a corporate takeover brings different thinking into the executive suites: that news should no longer be a loss-leader, but rather a profit center, thus shifting its bottom line mission literally to the bottom line.

I went to see it when it first came out. I was amazed and enthralled. I'd graduated college a year earlier and was new in the news business. I thought it was a wild story, very entertaining, but also just a little bit worrisome. ("Gee, you don't think that could really happen, do you?&quot

I saw it again recently, and my jaw dropped. Gobsmacked over how prescient/relevant that movie was/is.

This whole era has my head spinning.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
3. Yep
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 09:13 PM
Dec 2016

and republicans would go on for at least 4 yeas pounding away at how the election was stolen and it would work.

Happens to us and what we get is move along nothing to see here no big deal.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
4. Coming away after watching the presser. He left the choice to Congress.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 09:53 PM
Dec 2016

What they do... what happens next is up to them. The report will be released to the public after they act or don't and warts will be exposed.

Ellipsis

(9,124 posts)
14. He chose his words carefully... he made me proud.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 11:18 PM
Dec 2016

I learned much by his choice of words. He's a brilliant man. I look forward to what he does in the future.

We're listening to it again now.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
6. because
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 10:03 PM
Dec 2016

republicans are stronger than democrats, it's just fact. E.g., there are many more republicans in law enforcement than democrats. A GOP president would have never appointed a democrat to head FBI. Obama appointed a republican, Comey and we all know how that turned out. This was one the biggest mistakes of his presidency that may just about to erase his entire legacy. We destroy ourselves by constantly trying to be "fair".

byronius

(7,395 posts)
7. 'Stronger'? 'Psychopathically criminal authoritarian', maybe.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 10:13 PM
Dec 2016

Most republicans I know are pathetic losers who cannot read, and who raise psychotic, dependent children.

Quanta

(195 posts)
11. We need to shut them down instead.
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 10:46 PM
Dec 2016

The bottom line is, we need to get as asshole-y as they are. Actually, we need to take it to the next level, and start thinking strategically. As Democrats, we tend to get all Kumbaya and overly hopeful, and it is time for that to end. We have the brains, we have the connections, it is beyond time that we start to use them. Oh yeah...first time poster...been lurking since W took office. Only coming out of the woodwork because I feel like we are on the verge of apocalypse now, and we need tptb to step in and try to help out humanity as a whole.

 

lastone

(588 posts)
13. probably the single most frustrating thing about our party of forward thinkers
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 11:00 PM
Dec 2016

sometimes making those that break the law pay pays in votes because people think you will actually hold people accountable...

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
16. At the risk of being removed I'll say I do not understand why the DNC and all the rest
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 11:40 PM
Dec 2016

of our Glorious Party are seemingly sitting on their hands instead of fighting back. I'm not stating something to slander or slag anyone. What I have not seen or heard is meaningful challenges and questions asked. I heard Chuck Schumer claim he'd fight that bill and then I heard he or they folded. That's not nearly good enough to protect us. It certainly won't work in the new year to do the same regarding cabinet appointments. We need them to fight for every inch of ground and stand up for us or there will not be anything left to stand for.

This administration is not going to be government in action for those who voted for it, along with the rest of our citizens, but rather the rape of the land, the bill of rights and the public at large to sate the gross appetites of the Koch Brothers, Putin and others like them, and to permanently convert the Republic into a Dominionist Theocracy with Ghettos, debtor's prisons, and probably cemeteries for those who do not conform.

This is a serious question. Whatever the reasoning they may have either collectively or separately for their actions I am simply amazed at how many elected Democrats are busy excusing, explaining and sharing out blame over what happened instead of being outraged that it did, and actually fighting to protect our votes in this election and any future elections, if any.

calimary

(81,277 posts)
21. Perhaps it could be because of Donna Brazile?
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:09 AM
Dec 2016

She's a place-holder since Debbie Wasserman Shultz resigned as head of the DNC. She's an interim. And THANK GOD ALMIGHTY, too!!!

Donna Brasile is the most uninspiring, unexciting, lackluster, unmotivating and poorest excuse for ANY party leader of the type we Democrats desperately need. The. Worst. Period. By. Far. She failed Al Gore in 2000 as his campaign manager. No wonder nobody thought to show ANY guts at all and send some big name Dems to Louisiana to put up SOME fight, even if a lost cause, to try to grab that Senate seat! Donna Brazile would rather lie down than fight. She routinely takes butter knives to gun fights. She won't fire up ANYBODY. I can't wait til we finally have somebody at the DNC who might - might- make a difference.

18. Damn right
Fri Dec 16, 2016, 11:43 PM
Dec 2016

Truer words have never been spoken, well done Peter Daou. Here's a simple idea. Maybe start organizing some protests outside the Russian embassy in Washington, on American soil. Try defending Russia now Republicans. Imagine the optics---Americans protesting Russian meddling in our democracy. Worked pretty well for the tea party in 2010, Im talking protests---a movement growning, not making an anology to their cause.. Crowds, signs and protesters outside their embassy, a movement growing that we aren't going to take this. It would force the media to stay on the story. Republicans wouldn't take this lying down.

Im another long time lurker, been coming to this site for over 8 years. Finally had to post.

23. Should go Viral
Sat Dec 17, 2016, 12:49 AM
Dec 2016

Im on to something.......I feel it in my bones. Word needs to get out. Re-tweet, post on facebook, whatever... get the wheels in motion.

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