How long before DU is tracked by the nsa

[TheHak]

And a record of its members is created?

[Achilleaze]

1. Oh, maybe 15 years ago (R)

[alittlelark]

9. THIS

[cwydro]

11. Um, except for the part about how effective we were during that time.

NOT.

Blather on the internet does not a "resistance" make.

[tavalon]

30. Always that complaint

But I have done so much on the street activism with so many people from here.

[tavalon]

41. We were fast and we stopped a lot of the worst abuses, then Obama came

and we didn't see Neoliberalism as a danger, so we stood down and since we didn't have a common enemy, infighting happened. I left. I came back on the election night. Not successfully, as we know. I was here as soon as I could be and I have full faith that we will bring ourselves back up to speed much faster this time.

Good thing, because the stakes are actually much higher.

We will never be good at fighting Neoliberalism because some very large portion of us identifies with it and believes it is synonymous with Democrat. It is not, but if that is one's POV, then we would have seen the same strange dynamic that we saw with Obama at the helm. He's not a bad person, neither is Hillary, but neither are they liberal. This site is a giant tent that includes people like them and people like me who are extremely liberal to the point that I might even be called fringe here.

The only silver lining and man, it is such a small silver lining is that we aren't facing Neoliberalism, an entity we can't even agree on whether it's bad or good or something in between. Rather we are facing Facism, something we can quickly get our heads around and begin (are already) fighting.

Oh, and for those of you who are going to bellyache that we aren't doing anything but bitching from our computers. Speak for yourself. I've already gotten frostbite and the Cheetolinni hasn't even been sworn in. I think I'm getting ear rot from being on hold with the speaker. And my pocketbook is much emptier for having sent money no less than 20 directions.

I'm not the only DUer working hard. I post on Holidays and in the middle of the night.

[madokie]

31. Is that a MoPaul?

It sure looks like it could be. One day MoPaul's work here tearing bush/cheney & co a new ass will be appreciated. His Artwork was/is phenomenal


sorry I got off track and too early to get back on track.

Merry Christmas

Peace

[uponit7771]

36. +1

[rzemanfl]

2. You haven't been here long enough to know about Agent Mike. n/t

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[Hekate]

12. Agent Mike's the Man -- by now he looks downright friendly compared to Agent Squeaky Bear

How times change

[rzemanfl]

13. I caught my mistake faster than Cheetolini Pussygrabber caught his. You

can qoute me on that....

[Achilleaze]

33. Agent Squeaky Bear (R) is on the case (even Xmas day)

[jmowreader]

25. I thought Agent Mike was FBI. Silly me.

[pintobean]

39. I doubt that that's true

[rzemanfl]

40. The person has thirty posts. Are you saying they were here before? n/t

[Leith]

3. How Do You Know That This Isn't Happening Already?

I dare them to arrest me at my age, squeaky clean record, and with my sweet little round face for expressing my opinion.

[Warpy]

4. You think it's not, O naive one?

Hell, they were tracking IRC ten years ago and probably before that.

The plutocracy is terrified of anyone to the left of Mussolini, even mainstream liberals.

[RKP5637]

5. Probably already are, for a looong time + CIA and FBI! n/t

[madokie]

32. I'm sure they both have binders full of us

right, wrong and/or indifferent, it matters not to the PTB

[RKP5637]

34. I guess we scared the OP! lol - If they're tracking people that dislike Trump, then they

surely have a global job and billions of people to track. Guess that's why they needed expanded facilities in Langley, thought Trump or Trump-like politician might be coming along.

[tirebiter]

6. There would be no useful purpose in doing so

Is there an Isis thread for terrorist ranting that I missed?

[Nevernose]

15. Because we're liberals

And that's what government agencies do to liberals. Remember during the Dubya administration when the FBI had been "infiltrating" Quaker prayer groups?

[demmiblue]

7. Obvious.

[dixiegrrrrl]

8. What does your ISP do with all the infor. you give it when your surf?

or your online email.

Yahoo had admitted to giving every bit of customer info to the Feds and anyone else who asks.
All political sites of any decent size are monitored already.

[MFM008]

10. NSA

can drop dead to.

[Turbineguy]

14. I do not know why anybody at DU

would worry about the NSA. The NSA is interested in enemies of the U.S.A.

If I were in a right-wing militia or a GOP member in the habit of divulging state secrets, yes. Then I would worry.

[MineralMan]

16. Why would they bother to do that?

Makes no sense at all. There's nothing here that would even vaguely interest the NSA. The FBI, maybe, but not the NSA.

[Wiseman32218]

17. I am pretty sure they monitor all types of sites, especially with the GOP controlled house and Comey

in charge, I can't trust that man. I know he is not with NSA but I am sure he has connections.

[ileus]

18. 12 years ago?

[randome]

19. Posts like this make me despair for DU's continued health.

The NSA, as you no doubt are aware, is forbidden by law from spying on domestic Americans. If you have evidence that they are routinely abusing this check on their power, please share it.

Usually the arguments boil down to: "But you know they are!" But most of us don't operate from knee-jerk fear that makes us feel relevant and powerful because large, amorphous enemies are conspiring against us.

At least I hope we don't.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Old Terp]

20. It's also true that NSA people have parents who post on DU.

[DawgHouse]

21. I've always assumed it already was

as are other political forums.

[sarisataka]

22. Don't worry

The innocent have nothing to hide...

[aidbo]

23. Just because your not paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching you.

[eleny]

24. You're too new to remember the thread where we revealed our real names

It was a long thread.

[tavalon]

29. I signed

That one. I knew the stakes but I felt empowered.

[eleny]

38. me too

[RB TexLa]

26. The self importance

[Thinkingabout]

27. They are probably are watching and reading on DU, when there are those who do not mind

saying they would like to see the president dead, etc, yes they are watching. They are watching all the social media, this is a source of recruitment for radical groups, even radical groups here in the US. This is a communications source.

[tavalon]

28. Since about 2003, I would guess.

[Vinca]

35. You think we're still off the radar????

All I can say is Agent Mike must be bored as hell reading my stuff. (Happy Holidays, Mike!)

[McCamy Taylor]

37. ROFLMAO

Try 2001, when Cheney started the warrant-less wiretap system. Assuming DU existed in 2001. Good lord! The US government knows everything about everyone of us. That is why it is so silly for anyone to keep quiet and not complain for fear of attracting the attention of the wrong people. Get out there and protest if you want to. They already know who you are and have the programs in place to seize your assets and plant kiddie porn on your computer whenever they deem it necessary.

There is only one way to fight this kind of tyranny. Make them afraid to give you the kind of publicity that you can not buy. If they think you will profit politically or economically from becoming a martyr they will back off. And limit your attachments. If there is nothing they can take away from you that matters more than your civil liberties they will lose.

I use the word "they" in its usually understood sense of Big Brother. However, it is important to keep in my that We are They They/We exist because they/we give us lots of stuff life security in an insecure world and food in a starving world. They/we can not take away those basic things without toppling they/our power.

[tavalon]

42. How long has your Verizon, AT&T, Sprint phone been tracked and data mined?

[Feeling the Bern]

43. Since 2001

[stevenleser]

44. My understanding is the NSA globally collects web browsing data. Thinking of this in terms of an

individual website is perhaps not the way to think about it.

Yes, they have our browsing activity here and everywhere else. Ironically, there is protection from surveillance just in the massive amount of data they would need to sift through to zero in on you or this website. They would need a reason to do that for you/me/us. There is too much information to keep track of everyone.