Imagine a Democratic Party WITHOUT super delegates

[shadowrider]

Before you pile on, this is asking an honest question.

The super-delegates were created to prevent a candidate from winning the nomination when the establishment considered them a weak candidate (At least, that's my understanding).

What is your opinion?

Edited and only asking for an opinion.

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	Bernie would have won the nomination
	7 (50%)
	Hillary would have won the nomination
	6 (43%)
	Neither candidate would have reached the required number of delegates
	0 (0%)
	Other (Please explain)
	0 (0%)
	Dammit! I need a drink.
	1 (7%)
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[uponit7771]

1. The primaries are over, at some point this bullshit turns into trolling no matter the intentions

[shadowrider]

3. The primaries may be over

Yet the results stand and are unchangeable.

This isn't fighting the primaries again, Bernie lost according to the rules in play at the time. It's simply an opinion question.

[uponit7771]

14. results are Comey, Voter suppress and russia... all provable and all measurable not guessing

... at primary bullshit.

We're supposed to be the fact based association not the people who laud our feelings or opinions over reality

[portlander23]

2. Let's please keep flame wars to a minimum, if possible.

This is the definition of a flame war. Come on.

[HassleCat]

4. I said Hillary would have won the nomination

Because super delegates are not the only hurdle for a dark horse candidate. Bernie would have come much closer, but the southern primaries and Super Tuesday are still designed to heavily favor the establishment candidate.

[11 Bravo]

5. I love it when someone tries to start a flame war and then asks ...

for flame wars to be kept to a minimum. It's cute. Not particularly persuasive, but still ... cute.

[Yzerman]

6. New here but this is a good question

My vote in the poll was for Bernie winning. Not cause I think he would have but without the SDs it would have been closer.

I'm not a fan of the superdelegate to be honest. I don't think it represents the people as well as just a delegate.

I would assume a flame war means people won't actually discuss this.

[gopiscrap]

13. Welcome to DU

[LonePirate]

7. Bernie conceded the South to Hillary. That was game, set and match on March 15.

Nothing would have changed even if there were no superdelegates.

[dembotoz]

11. and in retrospect hrc did so well there

what caused bernie to tank in my opinion was the way the super delegate count was held out and worshiped by the media so that it appeared to be all over before it was all over.

in my state bernie won by a good percentage and yet the super delegates pretty much all went to hrc....well come next state convention some of the state party types who were super d's are up for re election,.....feet will be held to the fire

[SaschaHM]

18. Shhhh! Southern and Black Dems don't count according to DU.

[LonePirate]

22. Apparently they must think the 50 state strategy only applies to general elections.

[unblock]

8. You mean the primary system that produced toxic trump?

I find the whole situation surreal. Yeah, there's certainly something unappealing about the superdelegate concept, but it's surreal that democrats are pining for a primary system like the republicans have and republicans (and pretty much the whole planet) wish the gop had the system the democrats have.

[shadowrider]

9. I agree.

The super-delegates are there to give an "insurmountable" lead to their desired choice. I'd rather see who wins on voters choices.

[uponit7771]

15. +1

[LisaM]

16. I agree. For one thing, the super delegates have never changed the result

so I don't know why everyone fears them so much - but I also like that it rewards people who've committed years to the party, and that it provides a safety net.

[etherealtruth]

10. I don't believe in super delegates or caucuses

(although I admit tRump made me rethink the idea of super-delegates)

I do believe Clinton would have won with or without super-delegates

[msongs]

12. and replace all caucuses with mail in registered-dems only primaries

[LisaM]

17. I prefer voting in person.

We have mail voting in Washington and I detest it.

[tritsofme]

19. Super delegates had no impact. We should democratize the process by banning caucuses.

Caucuses are incredibly undemocratic and unrepresentative, they have no place in our system.

But this poll makes no sense, Hillary won a majority of pledged delegates, so if there were no super delegates...she still would have won.

[SaschaHM]

21. Yup. They need to go.

[SaschaHM]

20. Primary would have been over sooner.

The prospect that superdelegates would overrule registered dems and voters of color would not have prolonged dead primary bids. This goes for Hillary's 3 days of lingering in 2008 and Bernie's month+ in 2016.

[MineralMan]

23. The election is over. We lost.

We can fight the super delegate battle in 2020. There are other things to talk about right now. I suggest we talk about those.