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Fast and Furious (cartoon) (Original Post) marmar Jun 2012 OP
Funny, but Puzzledtraveller Jun 2012 #1
I do care who gets blamed abelenkpe Jun 2012 #2
Good point, thank you. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2012 #3
With me MrDiaz Jun 2012 #4
Fast & Furious was started in 2006 - Bush admin. tabatha Jun 2012 #5
boom! bigtree Jun 2012 #6
Thank you! :) nt abelenkpe Jun 2012 #7
I believe you may be talking about MrDiaz Jun 2012 #11
I am outraged abelenkpe Jun 2012 #10
Was it really "as a result?" treestar Jun 2012 #8
HA! bigwillq Jun 2012 #9

Puzzledtraveller

(5,937 posts)
1. Funny, but
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:05 AM
Jun 2012

Border agent Brian Terry died as a result, and who knows how many others in Mexico and affected areas. I don't care who gets blamed, it fucking sucks nonetheless.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
2. I do care who gets blamed
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 09:50 AM
Jun 2012

And you should be concerned that they are going after the wrong people.

It's noble that you are concerned about the one border agent who is a victim. Are you as concerned about the people indiscriminately bombed during pointless wars? Or those poisoned by the oil spill in the gulf? Or those washed away by floods in Katrina while our government sat idle? Or all the others pointlessly incarcerated and killed in our idiotic war on drugs? While you are right to be upset over the preventable death of a border agent the level of outrage drummed up over fast and furious is idiotic when compared to all the crimes still going on that no one seems to care about.

 

MrDiaz

(731 posts)
4. With me
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 10:42 AM
Jun 2012

It's about the fact that this operation was underway during the OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, this has nothing to do with the wars or the oil spills or anything else...I refuse to justify something of this sort by naming other outrageous things the previous administration has done, i have been pissed off at bush since the first time i have seen him, and the idiotic things he did to this country, and the middle east DOES NOT mean OBAMA should have a pass on this. If Bush had done this wouldn't you be outraged? Why aren't you outraged.

 

MrDiaz

(731 posts)
11. I believe you may be talking about
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 01:25 PM
Jun 2012

"Operation Wide Receiver" which was from 2006-2007,
"Operation Fast and Furious" was from 2009-2011.

2009–2011: Operation Fast and FuriousOn October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.[3][28][29] Those at the meeting did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.[30] The effort, beginning in November, would come to be called Operation Fast and Furious for the successful film franchise, because some of the suspects under investigation operated out of an auto repair store and street raced.[3]

The strategy of targeting high-level individuals, which was already ATF policy, would be implemented by Bill Newell, special agent in charge of ATF's Phoenix field division. In order to accomplish it, the office decided to use "gunwalking" as laid out in a January 2010 briefing paper. This was said to be allowed under ATF regulations and given legal backing by U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona Dennis K. Burke. It was additionally approved and funded by a Justice Department task force.[3] However, long-standing DOJ and ATF policy has required arms shipments to be intercepted.[4][5]

In November 2009, the Phoenix office's Group VII, which would be the lead investigative group in Fast and Furious, began to follow a prolific gun trafficker. He had bought 34 firearms in 24 days, and he and his associates bought 212 more in the next month. The case soon grew to over two dozen straw purchasers, the most prolific of which would ultimately buy more than 600 weapons.[3][5][31]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
10. I am outraged
Fri Jun 22, 2012, 12:33 PM
Jun 2012

Outraged that you don't know the facts and can't be bothered to recognize them. Issa voted for this. Bush started it. But you want to blame Obama? I suggest you remove your head from the nether regions of republican talking points.

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