This story doesn't pass my sniff test

[SecularMotion]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141655895

The players involved bring to mind undercover police disruptors at a protest march.

It could be false flag propaganda or an elaborate ruse for a gofundme campaign.

I'll wait for further details, but right now I'm not buying it.

[spooky3]

1. I feel the same way.

[yeoman6987]

52. Are you serious? You think the president is on it? He did call it disgusting.

[demmiblue]

2. Oh, bullshit.

[metroins]

3. The police arrested them

And it was on video.

What's there not to believe? The police actually arrested people.

Why did they do it? No idea, they look and sound like young idiots, which is likely the reason.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. The story appears legitimate.

Stupidity + Evil

[dagnuguy]

5. There are very evil people

in this world. Spend some time with a cop asking them about the evil people they deal with. In 16 years on the job there have been a few true evil people I have dealt with. We are at some level still just cavemen. Luckily most of us have evolved in our thinking.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. They were evil and stupid to tape their criminal activity.

[Ace Rothstein]

7. Pathetic thread.

Please delete. It makes this place look bad.

[SlimJimmy]

8. What further details do you need?

It was on tape and four people have been arrested.

[HoneyBadger]

29. Agreed

[ileus]

9. Yup very little doubt this is a Trump job.

Dig into their family members bank accounts, debts, ect...and you'll find mystery money and paid off debts.

[Dorian Gray]

15. Good lord

This is the stuff that makes democrats look obtuse and stupid.

Sometimes people perpetuate crimes that don't feed the narrative we'd like. They deserve full punishment.

This type of speculation is worthy of Alex Jones.

[Glassunion]

37. I'm sure there is a link to chem-trails if we dig into this story deep enough...

[Dreamer Tatum]

10. You mean it really disturbs the narrative.

Sorry. Life isn't always convenient for your politics.

[libtodeath]

11. If the repukes are exploiting it than I think it is right to be a little suspicious.

[sarisataka]

12. What details would convince you

the story is true as presented?

[sarah FAILIN]

13. reminds me of that girl with the letter mirror scratched on her cheek

Why else broadcast it?

[Dorian Gray]

16. The victim

didn't broadcast it. The perpetrators did.

Why broadcast it? To show people what badass shitheads they are.

[sarah FAILIN]

19. I didn't think the victim did.

My thinking is Trump is doing too much talking about the federal government having to take over. Martial law declared?

[Bonx]

23. The video was a Trump masterminded footstool towards martial law ?

Intriguing.

[sarah FAILIN]

25. idk....

I tried to post the image, but look at his 2nd tweet of this year

[Bonx]

26. I see. Do you think the torture video was staged? Trump supporters acting out a false scenario ?

[sarah FAILIN]

30. I don't know

I'm just saying it fits what he wants people thinking well. Maybe this is their reaction to his threat? Yes it is bad, but I'm looking at the big picture as a whole and it is strange.

[sarah FAILIN]

24. this tweet

https://imgur.com/gallery/oDJHu

[Dorian Gray]

43. Martial law

bc four assholes were successfully arrested and charged in this case?

Right. ::eye roll::

[WillowTree]

27. Four youths are in jail and a fifth has been injured and traumatized.

Are you saying that you think they all sacrificed themselves to help Trump to justify declaring martial law?

[sarah FAILIN]

32. Maybe the attackers were just your everyday punks

But maybe they also got paid. Idk.

[WillowTree]

34. Unbelievable...............

[sarah FAILIN]

35. I am not saying it was right at all

I'm questioning the motivations.

[Dorian Gray]

42. This is Conspiracy theory level speculation

with absolutely no reason to think so.

Sometimes people are simply criminal shithead idiots.

[sarah FAILIN]

46. my other post on this was removed...

I broke a rule against posting conspiracy theories by posting my thought on the connection between Trumps tweet 2 days ago about the fed having to step in with Chicago and this attack being too convenient.

I won't discuss "conspiracy theories" again, even though it seems like a lot of them float around.

[Dr. Strange]

48. Well, here's the thing.

They've been charged with hate crimes and are going to be facing some serious prison time. If any money changed hands, we're going to be hearing about it during the trial.

[Dorian Gray]

14. Why don't you believe it?

I mean, obviously the four assholes were supremely stupid in their video-taping and live-streaming it on FB. But there are immensely stupid people in the world. They were also using substances on the video, which goes to show they weren't operating at full capacity SMARTS.

These people are punks who got carried away. But in getting carried away they did something despicable. They were arrested for their actions. I hope they throw themselves on the mercy of the courts, but they deserve full punishment for this.

They took a boy with SPECIAL NEEDS and pulled this shit on him. That poor kid. He's going to be affected by this for the rest of his life.

[xor]

17. What would be required for you to "buy it"?

What kind of proof or evidence do you need?

I understand being skeptical when stories first break, because you never know for sure what will happen. However, the police held a conference after investigating it and they arrested the people behind the video.

[karynnj]

18. While you can have your suspicions, it seems better to wait as there are reasons to see it as real

as well. It is despicable and it has a real victim if it is accurate. You are essentially, with no real information, attacking the victim as a fraud.

You say you are waiting for more details, but only after you mention police "disrupters" , a gofundme rush (ie fraud) on the part of the alleged victim and you use the claim of it being a "false flag"operation. If there is one phrase I think I would prefer NEVER to hear, without smoking gun proof (and no Alex Jones would not count). That phrase REEKS of conspiracy theory claims.

I think the elevated hate generated in the election on the right may have produced an equally terrible elevated hate among some populations targeted by the Trump haters. My biggest concern is that Trump might further incite both sides - and even if he did have the vision to see where that goes and how it will destroy his Presidency, I wonder if he has the skills needed to tamp down the anger on even his own side.

Ask yourself this - Have you ever seen the WINNING side still so angry AFTER they won?

[Dreamer Tatum]

20. Just like that big phony Eric Garner. nt

[grossproffit]

21. If the story were reversed there would be 500+ recs w/ all dissenting posts hidden.

[Glassunion]

38. Very True

[Oneironaut]

44. It shows what an echo-chamber the internet can be.

There's a pervasive idea on the internet that, if a story disrupts my narrative, it cannot possibly be true. It must be the work of the enemy!

It's beyond ridiculous.

[NWCorona]

45. I agree completely and I'm sad and a bit shocked to see people trying to make excuses

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for why this is real.

[romanic]

28. Everything isn't left vs right or political.

Stupid evil people do stupid evil shit on social media. There was a story of some crazy chick and her friend chasing down a girl they had beef with on Snapchat. Last year a dude straight up got shot on FB Live from someone he had beef with.

[snooper2]

31. This OP doesn't pass my sniff test...

[Ron Obvious]

33. Of all the things that don't pass my sniff test lately...

this story ranks just about dead last.

Sorry.

[Ace Rothstein]

36. You should make an appointment with an Otolaryngologist ASAP.

There might be something wrong with your nose.

[Glassunion]

39. Why is it when I say "Otolaryngologist" it feels like I have marbles in my mouth?

[Ace Rothstein]

40. Believe me, you are not alone.

[Throd 2.0]

41. Please stop.

[MicaelS]

47. Why, because the crime is black on white? n/t

[SecularMotion]

49. It just doesn't ring true to me

The parents drop their special needs child off at McDonald's on Christmas Eve. He doesn't come home for Christmas and he's missing for days before they file a missing persons report.

Details are now coming out that the kidnap victim and one of the perps went to school together.

I think there's more to this tale than what we know from today's news reports.

[sarisataka]

50. Are you still sniffing?

President Barack Obama called the news from his hometown "despicable" and said the Internet has exposed long simmering racial tensions.

"What we have seen as surfacing, I think, are a lot of problems that have been there a long time," Obama told Chicago's WBBM-TV Ch. 2 in a prearranged interview in Washington. "Whether it's tensions between police and communities, (or) hate crimes of the despicable sort that has just now recently surfaced on Facebook."

or is the President being duped by an elaborate ruse?

Police said all four have given statements admitting to their roles in the alleged attack. They're scheduled to appear for a bond hearing Friday at the Leighton Criminal Court Building.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-facebook-live-attack-video-20170105-story.html

[SecularMotion]

51. The president is being presidential.

Yes, I'm still sniffing

How the white suburban teen ended up beaten by four black people, threatened with a knife and taunted with profanities against white people and President-elect Donald Trump is among the puzzles authorities are still trying to piece together after the four were charged with hate crimes on Thursday.

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2017/01/police_beating_of_mentally_dis.html

[sarisataka]

53. So are you thinking

everyone is, essentially, a paid actor to make the black community look bad? Or were only the perpetrators paid and the victim was innocent and unaware? O,r most deviously, the victim is the actor who enticed the four into the assault?

[SecularMotion]

54. I'm not speculating at this point, just waiting for further details.

[xor]

55. What kind of details would you need to make you feel confident that this took place

and that there isn't a larger conspiracy at play? Like, what exactly are you looking for? Would a confession by the suspects be enough?

[War Horse]

56. Sometimes this place is infowars lite...