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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 09:55 AM Jan 2017

Wow, the Deplorables really don't like us






Why Rural America Voted for Trump


Knoxville, Iowa — One recent morning, I sat near two young men at a coffee shop here whom I’ve known since they were little boys. Now about 18, they pushed away from the table, and one said: “Let’s go to work. Let the liberals sleep in.” The other nodded.

They’re hard workers. As a kid, one washed dishes, took orders and swept the floor at a restaurant. Every summer, the other picked sweet corn by hand at dawn for a farm stand and for grocery stores, and then went to work all day on his parents’ farm. Now one is a welder, and the other is in his first year at a state university on an academic scholarship. They are conservative, believe in hard work, family, the military and cops, and they know that abortion and socialism are evil, that Jesus Christ is our savior, and that Donald J. Trump will be good for America.

They are part of a growing movement in rural America that immerses many young people in a culture — not just conservative news outlets but also home and church environments — that emphasizes contemporary conservative values. It views liberals as loathsome, misinformed and weak, even dangerous.

...

While many blame poor decisions by Mrs. Clinton for her loss, in an environment like this, the Democratic candidate probably didn’t matter. And the Democratic Party may not for generations to come. The Republican brand is strong in rural America — perhaps even strong enough to withstand a disastrous Trump presidency.

Rural conservatives feel that their world is under siege, and that Democrats are an enemy to be feared and loathed.
Given the philosophical premises Mr. Watts presented as the difference between Democrats and Republicans, reconciliation seems a long way off.



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Wow, the Deplorables really don't like us (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 OP
Scary Times Ahead ShaquantaBrown Jan 2017 #1
Welcome to DU! panader0 Jan 2017 #87
welcome to DU! secondwind Jan 2017 #128
Yes, but we only became their #1 enemy when the Hortensis Jan 2017 #139
You know what? You're right now that I think back on it. Ligyron Jan 2017 #161
"You can't fix stupid." yallerdawg Jan 2017 #2
"Rural conservatives feel that their world is under siege, and that Democrats are an enemy..." DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #4
Exactly, and I hope people here realize the only thing preventing them from violence Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #27
And trump will have his own Waffen SS, pangaia Jan 2017 #77
+1. They would be more than happy to have a "round up" of all sorts. Missn-Hitch Jan 2017 #134
Islam feels under siege and blame the west. alfredo Jan 2017 #34
Very much alike. Dawson Leery Jan 2017 #158
Both Christian and Islam conservatives feel they are losing control. alfredo Jan 2017 #170
It's what they have been brainwashed into believing by the Right Wing propaganda, hadEnuf Jan 2017 #88
Yep. Dems are the enemy. But they love Putin. nt. Mc Mike Jan 2017 #113
Yes, I'm sure many young Germans loved the Fatherland in the 30's as much as tbe love "Merica" Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #3
Perhaps but its a heavy lift if they currently see Liberals as the article suggests. Which they do. stevenleser Jan 2017 #30
And it really is "as simple as that" mountain grammy Jan 2017 #54
Problem Is, Granny ProfessorGAC Jan 2017 #86
While many of them collect farm subsidies Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2017 #132
This. This is where I live. Horse with no Name Jan 2017 #5
They are and most of it comes Bettie Jan 2017 #13
Yes. I was planning on getting out this year Horse with no Name Jan 2017 #17
Paradise notdarkyet Jan 2017 #123
lemme know! Ligyron Jan 2017 #162
Since the Election I've thought a liberal/progressive homestead movement would help in resisting Tom Rivers Jan 2017 #175
We really, really need to be chatting with our neighbors. Hortensis Jan 2017 #176
Wow! I'm so sorry. Duppers Jan 2017 #39
"...she didn't want to see any black or brown faces! " 3catwoman3 Jan 2017 #43
My son did tell me this because he was confused Bettie Jan 2017 #98
About three years ago . . OldRedneck Jan 2017 #150
I LOVE a good, good-cop story, especially a good red-state good-cop story. Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #160
A lot of the hate--comes also from Hate radio in these rural areas. I had to move riversedge Jan 2017 #58
You are exactly right! Bozvotros Jan 2017 #159
Jesus said: Love thy neighbor as they self... as long as he's the same color. Raster Jan 2017 #61
Where do you live? I live in a very red county and I do not see this. Amishman Jan 2017 #38
I live in deep red east texas. Horse with no Name Jan 2017 #41
KKKlan country too n/t TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #154
Me too LT TX Jan 2017 #163
I live in Westmoreland Co... Freedomofspeech Jan 2017 #81
Howdy neighbor! liberaltrucker Jan 2017 #119
Just a little south of you, in Monongalia Co., WV... Rhythm Jan 2017 #148
I'm in rural Iowa Bettie Jan 2017 #100
I was born and raised in small town IA. progressoid Jan 2017 #112
Husband and I are from Wisconsin Bettie Jan 2017 #126
I live in OK Runningdawg Jan 2017 #121
Frombthe story their work ethic is sound yeoman6987 Jan 2017 #44
Who questioned their work ethic? Answer: No one. Kingofalldems Jan 2017 #97
To start it might be wise for Democrats to avoid calling such people ... spin Jan 2017 #101
We don't need to change them all NewJeffCT Jan 2017 #56
I agree. That's why we have to change the EC to nullify their undue influence on elections. brush Jan 2017 #70
It's like where I live, too. herding cats Jan 2017 #116
I don't care much for them either, but I still want them to have health insurance, tanyev Jan 2017 #6
As do I reluctantly but we can't hide from inconvenient truths. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #7
These facts should NOT be ignored; this is one of the main reasons we lost the election democratisphere Jan 2017 #8
We can mitigate our losses by doing slightly better in other areas. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #10
Agreed. They are beyond reach. Our time is better spent increasing urban and suburban turnout. LonePirate Jan 2017 #24
I don't think we'll change all of it but just enough uponit7771 Jan 2017 #26
Not sure it was rural America Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2017 #135
I traveled through many rural areas and the visual support for democratisphere Jan 2017 #147
We need to start a new campaign: "I'm liberal and I work". Initech Jan 2017 #9
Agreed...It amazes me that this lie has gone on as long as it has.. whathehell Jan 2017 #46
I know Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2017 #136
Farm subsidies, yes... whathehell Jan 2017 #142
Thanksgiving a few years ago lapfog_1 Jan 2017 #111
Sounds like my family! LittleGirl Jan 2017 #174
I'm sure that deplorables spend a lot of time trying to understand Liberals Orrex Jan 2017 #11
I know, I know! Bettie Jan 2017 #14
Yep! Cosmocat Jan 2017 #15
I don't want them to die in return... Repeat... I don't want them to die in return. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #19
And that rhetoric is repeated ad nauseum. Initech Jan 2017 #52
Nobody wants to live there. yardwork Jan 2017 #83
Depends on How We Define "Rural" ProfessorGAC Jan 2017 #92
Yeah that's the really sad thing. Initech Jan 2017 #95
I have had my absolutely fill of white vagina aching Cosmocat Jan 2017 #117
And they're also unaware they're the root cause of 150% of the divisiveness in this country. Initech Jan 2017 #125
Yep Cosmocat Jan 2017 #127
You don't have to "imagine" that; it already happened jmowreader Jan 2017 #146
Bingo! JHan Jan 2017 #55
Unicorns. n/t Different Drummer Jan 2017 #107
This is why I say we tell them to go fuck themselfs. libtodeath Jan 2017 #12
Yes, they call themselves Christian but are full of hate treestar Jan 2017 #16
"Conservatism has, over the decades, curdled into an ideology of hatefulness and destruction...". 3catwoman3 Jan 2017 #62
... Different Drummer Jan 2017 #108
That article is chilling. Joe941 Jan 2017 #18
Their world is under siege. White American dominance is being challenged. Baitball Blogger Jan 2017 #20
If you want to "reach out" to these voters Va Lefty Jan 2017 #21
Propaganda is largely responsible for this n2doc Jan 2017 #22
Yes... Then they try gaslighting when it's turn around on them uponit7771 Jan 2017 #25
lol "misinformed"... 55% of em believed in pizza gate !!!! uponit7771 Jan 2017 #23
They still are a minority Loge23 Jan 2017 #28
I welcome the uninformed hatred of such dimwits. Paladin Jan 2017 #29
I wonder what they think about farm subsidies ? Iowa is the second highest. lunasun Jan 2017 #65
Good point. Paladin Jan 2017 #67
As an Iowan, I can tell you that they openly embrace that hypocrisy. progressoid Jan 2017 #115
So they eat out every morning, but think WE are overprivileged? raging moderate Jan 2017 #31
well heaven05 Jan 2017 #32
If we can regain power again and find the guts to outlaw their religion ileus Jan 2017 #33
"Outlaw their religion?" MichMary Jan 2017 #66
That wouldn't stop anything, and would probably make things worse. christx30 Jan 2017 #74
Outlaw religion? dionysus Jan 2017 #89
Yeah, that'd be great. Maynar Jan 2017 #172
Trump'll learn 'em, real good. GeorgeGist Jan 2017 #35
Liberals mean people of color to these folks. Kingofalldems Jan 2017 #36
Also means non correct Christians (Mormons, Catholics need not apply), non Christians like Joos and Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #143
religion is indeed under siege RussBLib Jan 2017 #37
Yes religion is under siege 47of74 Jan 2017 #167
Half the kids in those little towns can't wait to get the fuck out CanonRay Jan 2017 #40
Pretty much ToxMarz Jan 2017 #47
Exactly. So those that stay tend lean conservative and some become alt-right. Those that leave..... Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #59
what about those who return (if any)? pstokely Jan 2017 #105
Those that return, return. They have had the experience of living elsewhere. Freethinker65 Jan 2017 #114
I know of several young ones who left small towns Dawson Leery Jan 2017 #155
The way to pay ProudLib72 Jan 2017 #42
You're just learning this? hurple Jan 2017 #45
"Wir mussen die Liberalen ausrotten." Girard442 Jan 2017 #48
Wait until these jerks get drafted to fight a stupid war their idiot starts to protect one kimbutgar Jan 2017 #49
"Misinformed." BigDemVoter Jan 2017 #50
Well I'd be glad to give them something to be afraid of. JNelson6563 Jan 2017 #51
It's homogenius DeminPennswoods Jan 2017 #53
Aren't these the same people progressives are supposed to reach out to? tenderfoot Jan 2017 #57
We live in a college town with a wide mix of nationalities, skin color and religions. maddiemom Jan 2017 #60
Curiousity, love, affection, compassion... Raster Jan 2017 #63
Cut to the chase: They don't like fags or 'blacks'. LeftinOH Jan 2017 #64
+1000 - I wrote pretty much the same downthread OKNancy Jan 2017 #79
I kind of get that. Ghost OF Trotsky Jan 2017 #68
And yet they conveniently ignore forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #110
Maybe so. Ghost OF Trotsky Jan 2017 #133
That's not what they were saying. They were saying that Liberals are lazy. That has Squinch Jan 2017 #166
Well, THEY have Gawd on their side Ghost OF Trotsky Jan 2017 #179
They can thank those blue states for the Federal tax dollars that fund their state college and unive SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #69
Yeah, his friend is one of those MOOCHERS JCMach1 Jan 2017 #72
We will never win places like this, but if you pull 40% or close to it JCMach1 Jan 2017 #71
and, i must add a small point to all the wonderful comments upthread orleans Jan 2017 #73
Honestly, they have been brainwashed by leftyladyfrommo Jan 2017 #75
Like others in this thread, I know these people OKNancy Jan 2017 #76
Right on. yardwork Jan 2017 #85
I'd rather have the hard, pipe hitting liberals in charge.... 47of74 Jan 2017 #165
Most of these people wouldn't know a liberal if one came up and punched them in the face. GoCubsGo Jan 2017 #78
If rural conservatives think they're under siege now, muntrv Jan 2017 #80
One is at a state and federally subsidized school and the other worked and lives... Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #82
smoke screen ..... Locrian Jan 2017 #84
wrong. read this thread OKNancy Jan 2017 #91
well I think is does explain them... Locrian Jan 2017 #109
What are liberals out of touch about? We get they also have unemployment and are just rejecting bettyellen Jan 2017 #102
Those on the Right don't like those on the Left and vice versa. I'm shocked! WillowTree Jan 2017 #90
Up until this election... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #93
Me too Bettie Jan 2017 #137
Prior to this election I questioned their judgment, not their character. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #138
The differnce is... We don't want to take away their rights. rainlillie Jan 2017 #122
THE STUPID is also the most damaging and threatening to the liberty of ALL Guilded Lilly Jan 2017 #94
I can't even count the number of people I've met from these red state dystopias... hunter Jan 2017 #96
This reminded me of a story about former Irish President Mary McAleese 47of74 Jan 2017 #168
They put people in categories according to their beliefs. mtngirl47 Jan 2017 #99
This reminds me of the people in Germany who praised Hitler Lint Head Jan 2017 #103
The feeling is mutual... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #104
Trump supporting co-workers at work think I'm cool Bradical79 Jan 2017 #106
These are the same type of people that supported Hitler, lark Jan 2017 #118
Good ananda Jan 2017 #120
god, this really breaks my heart. BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #124
Dude in the Bearcats sweatshirt looks like the next Timothy McVeigh EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2017 #129
These people can't think bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #130
My father worked part time starting when he was 10. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #131
Judgement and Strength. Their answers to confusion and fear. haele Jan 2017 #145
I understand the rural area mindset. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #180
We do have 'things' they want, and we need to keep those things just out of reach and make Tikki Jan 2017 #140
Yet I'm supposed to give these people creedence and respect them? Fuck rural America Feeling the Bern Jan 2017 #141
Can we please dispense the notion of "reaching out"? Darkhawk32 Jan 2017 #144
Not losing any sleep over it. Iggo Jan 2017 #149
The "real Americans" strike again. Dawson Leery Jan 2017 #151
Why isn't "The Art Of The Deal" the new "Mein Kampf"? baldguy Jan 2017 #152
Until their girlfriend gets knocked up and they need Fi-Aid money for beer & premium porns Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #153
Those two boys are misinformed about Trump.. dubyadiprecession Jan 2017 #156
Republicans learned long ago that perception and not reality is what's important. Jetboy Jan 2017 #157
And I don't like them. 47of74 Jan 2017 #164
80 years ago, their grandparents were the same far right scum Dawson Leery Jan 2017 #169
The Party is very Proud of These "hardworking" Stakhanovites. eom LarryNM Jan 2017 #171
"now about 18" Skittles Jan 2017 #173
This premise was laid out in the Eighties by John Mellencamp no_hypocrisy Jan 2017 #177
They rely on the social programs Democrats created. Vinca Jan 2017 #178
Do they hate FDR? MountCleaners Jan 2017 #181
Really resent that white working class are the only hard workers... iluvtennis Jan 2017 #182
Cannon fodder for DFT. GreenEyedLefty Jan 2017 #183

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
139. Yes, but we only became their #1 enemy when the
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:13 PM
Jan 2017

Soviet Union collapsed. I saw it with the tremendous ramping up of hostility conservatives turned on Democrats when Bill Clinton was running, to unprecedented levels. When the existential threat strong conservatives always know exists disappeared from without, they focused within.

Putin, ISIS, North Korea, etc., are nothing to be wished for, but hopefully these very real existential threats will help shift the focus of their inevitable hostility and aggression outward again.

Right now people like Bannon are trying very hard to develop an international movement against liberalism and secularism in which our conservatives are joined with Russia's, and even potentially Islam's conservatives, against liberalism and secularism. At least that's the grand idea, but they've only gotten this far by hiding what they're really up to.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
4. "Rural conservatives feel that their world is under siege, and that Democrats are an enemy..."
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:08 AM
Jan 2017

"Rural conservatives feel that their world is under siege, and that Democrats are an enemy to be feared and loathed", not Putin or the Russians , for instance.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
27. Exactly, and I hope people here realize the only thing preventing them from violence
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:51 AM
Jan 2017

is the fear of being arrested, otherwise you would see a very different country.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
77. And trump will have his own Waffen SS,
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:44 PM
Jan 2017

wants to cut the CIA and FBI and NSA budgets... and.......

wants a 'stronger military!' and............

hadEnuf

(2,189 posts)
88. It's what they have been brainwashed into believing by the Right Wing propaganda,
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:13 PM
Jan 2017

while the opposite of that is what is the actual truth.

"the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country"


Hermann Goering

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
3. Yes, I'm sure many young Germans loved the Fatherland in the 30's as much as tbe love "Merica"
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:05 AM
Jan 2017

It seems to me you will never change their minds on the social issues, but we might be able to show them in time how they are being fucked economically.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
30. Perhaps but its a heavy lift if they currently see Liberals as the article suggests. Which they do.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:55 AM
Jan 2017

They see any attempt to help workers or the poor as lazy Liberals looking for handouts and they will fight that hard. It's as simple as that.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
54. And it really is "as simple as that"
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:03 PM
Jan 2017

One dollar of their "hard earned money" might go to someone undeserving, and by undeserving they mean not like them. I'm contually shocked by people who have benefited from government programs railing against others doing the same.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
86. Problem Is, Granny
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:11 PM
Jan 2017

That they send in a hundred in taxes, 99.75 goes to people who really need it, 25 cents goes to someone undeserving, and the government sends them back $105. And they think they're the people getting ripped off by the quarter.

They're not going to do the math and they won't take their focus off the quarter.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
13. They are and most of it comes
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:32 AM
Jan 2017

directly from the pulpit of their churches.

Oh, I hate this place more every day. Not having had my family here for more than three generations makes me and my kids (who were born here) unwelcome unless they need us to do something for them.

After this election, I don't want anything to do with the horrible people they have demonstrated themselves to be.

I should have known when the Kindergarten teacher told the kids (when coloring a picture of police and fire fighters) that they need to color carefully, she didn't want to see any black or brown faces! Happened when my oldest son was in K, he's a sophomore now.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
123. Paradise
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 04:40 PM
Jan 2017

I've been thinking lately about a bunch of like minded people pooling reources, Buy an island and Have our own country. At least we have ethics. Too Jim Jonestown? Feeling like I need to get out of here.

Tom Rivers

(459 posts)
175. Since the Election I've thought a liberal/progressive homestead movement would help in resisting
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 04:17 AM
Jan 2017

Not on an island but in different communities all across the nation. Basically it would be individuals/families going more sustainable living/off the grid, while getting help from and helping others that are doing the same. Basically producing our own food, clean water, natural building, energy, heating, refrigeration/storage, etc. in a consumers revolt the helps the environment and takes back control against corporate power. It would be different from the religious communes because people of all religions (or none), races, genders, orientations, ages, etc. would be allowed to join in, the only requirements is that everyone respects the rights of each other and the environment. There will be none of the whacko brainwashing far right religion crap and 80 people won't be living together in one house LOL.

It is untelling how big of a disaster Trump is going to unleash on our economy, military (MANY wars are coming, get ready), and how people will be allowed to treat each other when it comes to protections for women/minorities/LGBTQ. I really think that we need to start preparing for the worst and having a plan in place as a progressive community on how to rally together not just in protests/marches, but in life and our survival in general. Progressives everywhere at the very least need to begin downloading PDFs/videos and learning science, learning sustainable agriculture techniques, learning how to build things from Earth materials, learning how solar and wind energy work, learning ways of obtaining and purifying our own water, learning different ways to produce energy and heat, learning alternative ways of refrigeration and cellar storage, and learning how to get by with less.

I'm hoping for the best, I really am, but I just think that there are going to be many scary days ahead and we must be prepared.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
176. We really, really need to be chatting with our neighbors.
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 06:23 AM
Jan 2017

THAT is how we fight this corruption of their minds. Appealing as an island is right now (my version is returning to California and seceding!), we have to rebuild and reunite America's broken center.

Not by running and abandoning our neighbors and coworkers to Infowars and Breitbart. We need to chat casually, and very courteously, about issues, about ourselves. They won't be able to believe all that hate trash about liberals if they know us. We need to share information that's not getting to them. All without a word of criticism about what we think are their views, and definitely no argument.

We can do it. The typical conservative is not nearly as far right as the wealthy extremists who are packing government with right-wing extremists who don't represent what people want. We have far more in common than than not. The great rift was created out of lies by enemies intent on dividing us.

So we do what we can to undo it. We can use news events as excuses to chat up our common ground and our lack of horns, to gently expose them to information from news sources they're avoiding, and definitely to let them know what they are in danger of losing. Like Social Security, the VA, the USPS, universal public education, etc.

Maybe join them in a little useful worrying about the future. Like, if Medicare is "privatized," who supports Grandma? And she's okay alone now, but will the day come when you have to quit your job to provide the 24/7 care she needs?

The lunch room is just one of the places in daily life where we can loosen the clutch of the likes of the Koch brothers and start reconnecting corrupted minds to reality.

3catwoman3

(23,975 posts)
43. "...she didn't want to see any black or brown faces! "
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:37 AM
Jan 2017

Really? Holy crap. Did your son tell you about this?

A few years ago, I was doing a post-hospitalization followup visit on one of our asthma patients. His mom said they'd had a choice as to which hospital to go to, and she'd decided against Chicago Children's " because it''s too colored there." For a moment, I thougtht she meant that the cheerful color schemes were too bright.

When I realized what she was actually saying, I had a hard time keepiing a neutral expression on my face. I was horrified. To this day, whenever I see her, or one of her kids, that is the first thing I think of. I'm sure she has no idea of the permanent damage she caused to my opinion of her.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
98. My son did tell me this because he was confused
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:28 PM
Jan 2017

because he knows faces come in lots of colors.

I talked to her and she said it was about following directions, not race. I pointed out that if that was the case, she could have said "no green or blue faces". Never got an answer, but I do know she never put it quite that way again. My second son had her the next year and they didn't have the same exercise at all.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
150. About three years ago . .
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 09:26 PM
Jan 2017

I'm an Advanced Life Support EMT in a rural, republican Virginia county.

We responded to a single-vehicle wreck one Sunday morning . . . wife driving, husband passenger, got to arguing then fighting, lost control rolled the car. We extricated them and put 'em in separate ambulances. The EMT assisting me was a black guy - - - the husband shouted "I don't want that n***** to touch me." I resisted the urge to smack him in the head with an oxygen bottle, instead, I told the cops what he said.

Cops asked me if he was hurt badly enough to go to the ER . . . told them No . . . they slapped the cuffs on him, hauled him out of the ambulance, took him off to regional jail overnight, charged him . . . among other things . . . with interfering with emergency services personnel.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
160. I LOVE a good, good-cop story, especially a good red-state good-cop story.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:28 PM
Jan 2017
Cheers to the officer for doing the right thing and sticking that A-hole in his place!

riversedge

(70,204 posts)
58. A lot of the hate--comes also from Hate radio in these rural areas. I had to move
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:10 PM
Jan 2017

to a small town rural WI--caring for very elderly mom. Barely a place I do where the radio is not blaring out Conservative hate radio.

I am ready to scream.

Bozvotros

(785 posts)
159. You are exactly right!
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:17 PM
Jan 2017

We ignore hate radio at our peril. The race baiting, dog whistles, fear mongering and incitement to violence go on every day. The tone is far worse in backwaters where station managers don't fear the FCC and they can play the worst of the worst or use a home grown loon. Liberals and Dems are portrayed in that media in almost demonic terms. And that rural demographic is often wildly over armed because they were sure Obama was coming for their guns.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
38. Where do you live? I live in a very red county and I do not see this.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:17 AM
Jan 2017

I'm in Lancaster county PA, and I don't see this level of hate. Yes, there are a few nutjobs, but they are by far the exception.

LT TX

(104 posts)
163. Me too
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:30 PM
Jan 2017

Hi neighbor...I live in East TX too. I feel like I'm the only even moderate person around....much less a liberal.

Freedomofspeech

(4,223 posts)
81. I live in Westmoreland Co...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:59 PM
Jan 2017

Southwestern PA....used to be very blue but is now very red. I hate it so much and now these hillbillies are so emboldened by the piece of crap they voted for. I used to be very active in the area but now I barely leave the house

Rhythm

(5,435 posts)
148. Just a little south of you, in Monongalia Co., WV...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:46 PM
Jan 2017

One would ~think~ that a county dominated by a vibrant University (WVU) and college-town would have stayed 'blue' through this last election mess...
One would be very, very wrong...
~Even Mon. Co.~ went red this last cycle, though by a lesser margin than anywhere else in the state (which doesn't say much)

So sick of these people, already...

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
100. I'm in rural Iowa
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:39 PM
Jan 2017

a very small town. Came here for husband's job.

Since I had my kids when I was in my 30's, I'm minimum 10 years older than the moms of my teenage boys (closer to 15 in most cases) and people think I'm my 8 year old's grandma!

Us they don't hate, but we're well known as "big city liberals" even though we've lived here for 15 years. They are dumbfounded that we don't go to church. Most of them can not even fathom why someone wouldn't go.

We do have a few friends, also "outsiders" who have lived here a decade or more and are much more liberal than the natives.

progressoid

(49,988 posts)
112. I was born and raised in small town IA.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:17 PM
Jan 2017

When I go home to visit my parents, I'm appalled. They are life-long Democrats in a sea of red. It has always been republican but now it's off the chart crazy. This election has been very hard for them. It has been very distressing for them to see their hometown change into Trumpland.

In the past they could have reasonable relationships with their neighbors etc. Now there is an open hostility and anger everywhere.

But it's not limited to small towns. My wife and I moved back here 25 years ago. We're in a town of 50K and it's the same thing. We are thinking of leaving in a couple years. This state no longer seems like home.

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
126. Husband and I are from Wisconsin
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 04:52 PM
Jan 2017

it certainly isn't the same place we both grew up in anymore. The Wisconsin that re-elected William Proxmire year after year has become the place that prefers Scott Walker.

People have become small and mean as my great-grandmother would say.

They care only for themselves, which is why they have become Republicans, for the "I've got mine, screw you" mentality.

I figured I was just an outsider, weirdly good to know it isn't just me, as sucky as it is.

Runningdawg

(4,516 posts)
121. I live in OK
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 04:19 PM
Jan 2017

and while there are those that hold their tongue in person, all you need to do is read an OK newspapers editorial page to see the hate seething beneath the surface. All they need is a nudge in the right direction to take it to the next level and they believe they elected the nudge.
I am retired but occasionally work in retail. It amazing what people assume. They assume because I look white and have a job, I am a Trump supporter. Then they proceed to tell me how Trump will untie "our" hands to save the US from the evil, godless liberals. I even had one man place his hand on his open carry when he stated that.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
44. Frombthe story their work ethic is sound
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:44 AM
Jan 2017

Now if we could just get them to have empathy for others would be a start. How to do that? Tough one.

spin

(17,493 posts)
101. To start it might be wise for Democrats to avoid calling such people ...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:42 PM
Jan 2017

"deplorable" or "irredeemable" It might also be wise for Democrats to avoid appearing to consider themselves to be better than such people because they have achieved a higher level of education.

Perhaps we start by having empathy for those who voted for Trump and trying to understand why our party is not viewed by far too many as the party of the people or the working man.

Robert Reich: Why the White Working Class Abandoned the Democratic Party
A key turning point in American politics.

By Robert Reich / Robert Reich's Blog January 21, 2016

***snip***

Democrats have occupied the White House for sixteen of the last 24 years, and in that time scored some important victories for working families – the Affordable Care Act, an expanded Earned Income Tax Credit, and the Family and Medical Leave Act, for example.

But they’ve done nothing to change the vicious cycle of wealth and power that has rigged the economy for the benefit of those at the top, and undermined the working class. In some respects, Democrats have been complicit in it.

Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama ardently pushed for free trade agreements, for example, without providing the millions of blue-collar workers who thereby lost their jobs any means of getting new ones that paid at least as well.

***snip***

Nothing in politics is ever final. Democrats could still win back the white working class – putting together a huge coalition of the working class and poor, of whites, blacks, and Latinos, of everyone who has been shafted by the shift in wealth and power to the top.

This would give Democrats the political clout to restructure the economy – rather than merely enact palliatives that papered over the increasing concentration of wealth and power in America.

But to do this Democrats would have to stop obsessing over upper-income suburban swing voters, and end their financial dependence on big corporations, Wall Street, and the wealthy.
http://www.alternet.org/economy/robert-reich-why-white-working-class-abandoned-democratic-http://www.alternet.org/economy/robert-reich-why-white-working-class-abandoned-democratic-party

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
56. We don't need to change them all
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:06 PM
Jan 2017

Just 1, 2 or 3 out of every 100. If 1 vote in 100 swung in the last election, Clinton wins in an electoral landslide (FL, NC, MI, WI and PA) and narrowly loses GA and AZ. The story would be "Is the GOP dead at the presidential level for the next generation?"

If Democrats return to a 50 state strategy and build up state parties in all 50 states, they'll have people that can be boots on the ground in these rural areas to show them what Democrats can do to help. Right now, there are no Democrats to counter-act the 24/7 propaganda they get from the media, churches and other RW organizations.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/01/01/1616174/-Updated:-Why-are-people-surprised-when-a-dysfunctional-community-votes-against-their-self-interests

brush

(53,776 posts)
70. I agree. That's why we have to change the EC to nullify their undue influence on elections.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:29 PM
Jan 2017

Their votes should not outweigh votes in more populated areas.

I don't want the Dem party going after these haters.

We have to figure out how to outflank them by also working against repug cheating and hacking like Crosscheck, which discards black, Latino and Asian names off voting rolls, and foisting off provisional ballots onto POCs which are then not counted.

Those are just a couple of repug dirty tricks that we have to concentrate on nullifying.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
116. It's like where I live, too.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:26 PM
Jan 2017

It wasn't always like this, it used to be a handful of nuts, but still a majority conservative Republicans. Over the past 15 years the hate filled nuts have taken over the majority. It's like it was a contagious mental illness that swept through the region.

tanyev

(42,552 posts)
6. I don't care much for them either, but I still want them to have health insurance,
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:10 AM
Jan 2017

Social Security, and food stamps if they need them. They, on the other hand, are happily getting ready to cut off their own noses in order to spite us.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
8. These facts should NOT be ignored; this is one of the main reasons we lost the election
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:14 AM
Jan 2017

It will be very difficult to change the thinking of Rural America, but somehow it must be done.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. We can mitigate our losses by doing slightly better in other areas.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:16 AM
Jan 2017

These people are beyond reach and thankfully represent a small part of the population, less than twenty percent.

I will not hate them in return but I will oppose them with every fiber of my being.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,956 posts)
135. Not sure it was rural America
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:56 PM
Jan 2017

As much as it was the rust belt states like Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. These were traditionally Democratic states.

Small towns like the Knoxville Iowa are dying. The population was 7,313 at the time of 2010 census, a decrease from 7,731 in the 2000 census.

One can feel sorry for them even try to help them but numerically I don't think they make much difference.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
147. I traveled through many rural areas and the visual support for
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:41 PM
Jan 2017

drumpf was widespread, staggering and astounding. There is a real problem and even if rural drumpf supporters represent less than 20% of the voters, it could still be close to 1 in 5 voters support drumpf.

Initech

(100,068 posts)
9. We need to start a new campaign: "I'm liberal and I work".
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:15 AM
Jan 2017

The fact that the GOP has allowed this flat out lie to go on for as long as it has is something that needs to be dealt with. It's such fucking horseshit that they get to claim the working class as their own and say that we don't work. The truth is we want to make things better for the working class, the republicans want all the money to go to the bosses who make our lives miserable.

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
46. Agreed...It amazes me that this lie has gone on as long as it has..
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:47 AM
Jan 2017

After expressing some liberal view on a blog somewhere, this idiot told me that I was a democrat "because I depended on 'government handouts'"...I responded that since my household income was well into six figures, I didn't need "handouts" from anyone, but I had no problem helping the less fortunate....This is an automatic response in some quarters.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,956 posts)
136. I know
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:03 PM
Jan 2017

And it keeps cracking me up how much more these rural counties depend on the federal government as compared to the urban ones.

The central part of my state, Washington, is not only heavily dependent on farm subsidies but also depends on irrigation from the Columbia Basin Reclamation project. The place would be largely desert without it.

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
111. Thanksgiving a few years ago
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:05 PM
Jan 2017

at my sisters in Arizona.

Everyone at the table (sister, her husband, her adult kids, me) with the EXCEPTION of myself were complaining about liberals and how much the government spends on its employees (make work jobs) and the usual crap about liberals (and they know I am a liberal) being on government support, blah, blah, blah.

The kicker... I was the only person NOT taking government money (My brother-in-law is on full disability and works part time off the books, my two nieces work for the county government, my nephew and his wife both work for the state government).

I make the most money of any of them (senior technical person at a large high tech company) and I paid for the entire dinner (my sister and her kids did cook it). I pay more in taxes than any of them make in a year. I'm happy to pay taxes but I get so f'king tired of listening to this crap.

I almost got up and left.

Years later, I have cut off contact with most of them. I'm sure they all voted for Trump.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
174. Sounds like my family!
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 02:59 AM
Jan 2017

I am the only one living in AZ (well, in 60 days) and one of my brothers and one sister are right wing NUTS. I mean, listen to Rush everyday and watch Fox news every night. It's brainwashing. And they hate liberals. Absolutely blame us for everything. We rarely speak.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
11. I'm sure that deplorables spend a lot of time trying to understand Liberals
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:24 AM
Jan 2017

Every day I see a new article urging Liberals to "understand" or "reach out to" deplorables. Where are the blessed peacemakers on their side of the spectrum, given their famous (and endlessly, ostentatiously professed) love of Jesus Christ?

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
15. Yep!
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:36 AM
Jan 2017

I have posted this MANY times here.

Does anyone think even ONE as shat conservative has spent even a single moment of his or her life trying to understand or appeal to us?

These people fucking LOATHE us, they literally want to see us die.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
19. I don't want them to die in return... Repeat... I don't want them to die in return.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:40 AM
Jan 2017

But I become apoplectic when folks here just say they are misunderstood.

We wouldn't give Americans who voted for Jefferson Davis a pass so why should we give Americans who voted for Trump a pass. That seems like the "soft bigotry of lowered expectations."

Initech

(100,068 posts)
52. And that rhetoric is repeated ad nauseum.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:00 PM
Jan 2017

The hate and lies being spread about us has created a false narrative. Every time I see some jackass trying to hawk a "liberal tears" coffee mug on Twitter and Facebook it makes me just cringe. They just don't get how hateful they are. And the GOP thinks we're out of touch. They want us to understand them, but they don't want to understand us. It's sickening. It works both ways. No I don't want to understand your bigotry and white supremacism. Fuck that shit. I think they're the ones who are out of touch. The people they elect have done nothing but loot and pillage and pass the blame onto us. It's time this ends.

Bill Maher was right - small towns are small for a reason - nobody wants to live there! I mean why should the vote of a person who lives in a town of 500 get more of a say than a person who lives in a city like LA, New York, Chicago, Miami, Portland, Seattle, Dallas, or Denver? I just don't get it.

yardwork

(61,599 posts)
83. Nobody wants to live there.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:07 PM
Jan 2017

This is an important point. I grew up in an isolated rural area and I left because I wanted to see the world. The other people I grew up with who were intellectually curious, open, engaged, and ambitious also left.

Most of those who stayed are terrified of their own shadows. They are afraid of cities because they fear anybody who is different. These folks are deeply racist and xenophobic. They want to be told how to live by authoritarian figures. They are resentful of everything in the outside world but afraid and unwilling to go out into the world themselves.

ProfessorGAC

(65,010 posts)
92. Depends on How We Define "Rural"
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jan 2017

I live in small town and no doubt more people voted for the idiot than HRC.

To the east is corn and soybeans for the next 100 miles. To the west is some industry, then corn and soybeans to Ottawa, then corn and soybeans all the way to Iowa. To the south, same thing.

But 65 miles to the north there is a little 'burg called Chicago. About a third of the way there is a city of 175k with surrounding communities another 200k and the county has 800,000 people.

Now there are folks in nearly every area of the country who would consider that rural by the description of the first three directions. But, Chicago is pretty significant.

So, whether we're rural or not is a matter of perspective. We moved there in 1980 so my wife would be closer to the school where she worked. I know we don't consider ourselves rural, nor would i consider most of the people with whom we associate that way. Are there yahoos? Yep.

So, are we rural or not? I suppose it depends on who we ask.

Initech

(100,068 posts)
95. Yeah that's the really sad thing.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:23 PM
Jan 2017

People who live in big cities don't understand people who live in small towns and vice versa. I live in Los Angeles. I travel to other big cities like Boston, New York, DC, Seattle, Denver, Detroit - those are great cities. Would I travel to Billings, Montana, or Plains, Georgia, or Crawford, Texas? Not on a bet! Rural America needs to understand that nobody wants to attack them. Pretty much they attack each other. We in the big cities do recognize that rural America needs to exist, but rural America needs to understand that not everybody is like them, and there's other people besides white males who should be in charge. The hate and white supremacy that has come out of everybody since the election is sick.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
117. I have had my absolutely fill of white vagina aching
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:29 PM
Jan 2017

and I am white ...

You hit the nail on the head, they just don't get even one bit how caustic and hateful they are AT THE SAME TIME they have themselves so ginned up as to how big of victims they are ...

Initech

(100,068 posts)
125. And they're also unaware they're the root cause of 150% of the divisiveness in this country.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 04:50 PM
Jan 2017

And said divisiveness is the root cause of one thing and one thing only - the fucking 2nd amendment. Do they care that the Constitution guarantees that pesky "liberal media" that they have as much right to speak their mind as the conservative business run media does? No. Do they care that Colin Kaepernick has a 1st amendment guaranteed right to protest? No. Do they care that Islam is protected under freedom of religion? No. Do they care that black people being murdered by police is a direct violation of the 4th amendment (illegal search and seizure) and the 5th amendment (right to a fair trial)? Absolutely not. But just the mere mention of gun control and they go fucking apeshit. Like the government is coming to take their guns away. Give me a fucking break. But they're happy (not) and they work hard. So that's all that matters, right?

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
127. Yep
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:07 PM
Jan 2017

We couldn't have it, because they would end up getting slaughtered, but imagine if non whites walked around open carrying to exercise their "second amendment rights!"

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
146. You don't have to "imagine" that; it already happened
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:28 PM
Jan 2017

During Reagan's reign of error as governor of California, the Black Panthers open carried to protect the African-American community. Those fine gentlemen had a perfect right to: white racists were killing black people with impunity. But when "the wrong" people started exercising their 2nd Amendment rights, Reagan got a bunch of gun restrictions passed and signed.

3catwoman3

(23,975 posts)
62. "Conservatism has, over the decades, curdled into an ideology of hatefulness and destruction...".
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jan 2017

Curdled seems a perfect word for this.

It must be very draining to be so consumed by hatred and negativity all the time.

A childhood thru high school close friend (probably former close friend now, sad to say) has gone hard right and religiously fundie. I remember being shocked and somewhat hurt when I discovered this via Facebook, when she was ranting about "libtards." I am guessing she has no idea she is talking about me. To my distress, many former classmates hold similar views, based on their supportive responses to her.

She remained in my hometown, and works for her church. I moved away 40 years ago, have traveled a lot, had a variety of jobs in various pediatric health care settings, and am a happily questioning agnostic who has found a good spiritual fit in a Unitarian Universalist community.

We have seen each other only at high school reunion, which has been fun, so far. The 50th will be in 2019. I am not sure how I will feel when I see her and others. Will I just keep my mouth shut? Will I even go?

Different Drummer

(7,614 posts)
108. ...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 02:44 PM
Jan 2017
A childhood thru high school close friend (probably former close friend now, sad to say) has gone hard right and religiously fundie. I remember being shocked and somewhat hurt when I discovered this via Facebook, when she was ranting about "libtards." I am guessing she has no idea she is talking about me. To my distress, many former classmates hold similar views, based on their supportive responses to her.


The same thing has happened to me.

Baitball Blogger

(46,703 posts)
20. Their world is under siege. White American dominance is being challenged.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:41 AM
Jan 2017

And the more they rely on racism and antiquated social mores to support their unfair social system, the more likely they will get blind-sided by the future.

Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)
21. If you want to "reach out" to these voters
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:42 AM
Jan 2017

I suggest going to the nearest brick wall and trying to dislodge it with your head instead.

You have a greater chance of success, and the headache won’t be nearly as severe!

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
22. Propaganda is largely responsible for this
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:42 AM
Jan 2017

It is the same attitude spewed daily on AM Hate radio. And Fox. They have few entertainment and 'news' sources out there in Rural America. When I drive through Rural Georgia, My only radio choices are country, some preacher, maybe sports radio if I am close enough to a big city, and always AM (and FM) hate radio. Gun fetish shows on the weekends.

People who have never listened to Savidge, or Wiener, or Carson, are in for a shock.

Loge23

(3,922 posts)
28. They still are a minority
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:52 AM
Jan 2017

Numerous polls have shown that the right-wing base is at best about 25% of the country.
The problem is propaganda. These people have been indoctrinated with nonsense, all the time while benefitting from a liberal society.
It's one hot mess for the rest of us, particularly those of us who are getting old. No wonder leaving is a popular option these days.

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
29. I welcome the uninformed hatred of such dimwits.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:53 AM
Jan 2017

Let them and their jobs and their farms be subject to Trump and his band of goons for a while. Some people just have to learn the hard way.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
65. I wonder what they think about farm subsidies ? Iowa is the second highest.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:19 PM
Jan 2017
https://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=19000

These are the we did everything on our own people not

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
67. Good point.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:26 PM
Jan 2017

No reason to waste our resources on these willfully ignorant people at this point. Let them suffer some time under a Trump regime and the best of them will come back to our side; the worst of them aren't worth our time and efforts.

progressoid

(49,988 posts)
115. As an Iowan, I can tell you that they openly embrace that hypocrisy.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:22 PM
Jan 2017

I grew up in a small farming community. Yes, the same people that take in tens of thousands from farm subsidies are bitching about high taxes and handouts to lazy people.

raging moderate

(4,304 posts)
31. So they eat out every morning, but think WE are overprivileged?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:55 AM
Jan 2017

I'll tell you what, when I was 18, and in fact ever after, I worked an awful lot harder than that. And I ate an awful lot cheaper than that, all my life.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
32. well
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:58 AM
Jan 2017

I'm neither misinformed, loathsome or weak, yes I can be as dangerous times 2 as these republican racists are in celebrating their fascism with the threats of their fuhrer and their actions toward usually AA protestors at their Nuremberg rallies. No reconciliation, so what? This is the start of the 2nd Civil War in ameriKKKa, and I'll be damned if I let a country I fought for diminish my humanity based on something as superficial as skin color, religion or culture. Fuck a conservative trumpfuhrer voter. I damn them to hell...... They have fired the first shot at Fort Sumpter 2.....

ileus

(15,396 posts)
33. If we can regain power again and find the guts to outlaw their religion
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:59 AM
Jan 2017

we'd be 80% of the way there...

Remove them from their religion and they'll accept our way of life in a heartbeat.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
74. That wouldn't stop anything, and would probably make things worse.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:37 PM
Jan 2017

First of all, there's the issue of the 1st amendment. It's not legal to ban any religion, especially for political reasons.
Secondly, the Christian church has a long history of defying authorities in even existing. It'll be like the pre-Constantine Rome church in the 4th century. You'll never stop them. Even if you were to ban them, they would either have secret meetings like the early church, or (most likely), they would show up at meetings heavily armed, and dare authorities to do anything.

And even though I'm not a Christian, I would support them.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
143. Also means non correct Christians (Mormons, Catholics need not apply), non Christians like Joos and
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 07:53 PM
Jan 2017

Mooslims. . .immigrants who just got here like my wife (Well, I'm Jewish so I'm shit to begin with) and anyone from "dem scary big cities of university lurnin."

RussBLib

(9,008 posts)
37. religion is indeed under siege
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:17 AM
Jan 2017

By science, by reality.

IMHO, people are welcome to maintain their own religious perspectives, beliefs, and customs. However, those customs must not be inserted into the government. The Founders were big on separation of church and state and it should remain that way.

Believe all you want, just don't expect everyone else to believe like you do. That's the nature of a pluralistic society, and if today's conservatives cannot handle that, well, too bad.

We need some persuasive, forceful Dems (and Republicans) to insist on the separation.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
167. Yes religion is under siege
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 12:02 AM
Jan 2017

But it's under siege by conservatives. These are people who twist the teachings of Jesus Christ for their own hateful ends. These are the people who twist religion into a tool of oppression and violence against others.

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
40. Half the kids in those little towns can't wait to get the fuck out
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:30 AM
Jan 2017

and get to a city. I have friends who farmed, their kids left the minute they could. It's very stifling.

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
47. Pretty much
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:49 AM
Jan 2017

I grew up there, me and three sisters left (Miami, Chicago, Portland and Minneapolis), all liberal. Three brothers still there, all conservative. But Iowa did go for Obama twice, so maybe not a total loss.

Freethinker65

(10,017 posts)
59. Exactly. So those that stay tend lean conservative and some become alt-right. Those that leave.....
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:11 PM
Jan 2017

Go back to visit, maybe for holidays and birthdays. There is opportunity during these return visits to explain why they left and the opportunities that exist with more liberal thinking and policies and that the rest of the world is not full of evil and heathens. That might help? While there are definitely differences between urban and rural life, there is a lot of common ground that needs to be addressed.

Freethinker65

(10,017 posts)
114. Those that return, return. They have had the experience of living elsewhere.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:20 PM
Jan 2017

Some will return because they prefer the rural way of life, housing can be far less expensive, friends and family may still be there, perhaps they found employment there or decide to start a business "back home". Hell, I live in a suburb of Chicago, coming from a suburb of Detroit, and am seriously considering moving to a smaller town in the future for many reasons. My main concern, as I age, is proximity to medical care.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
42. The way to pay
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:35 AM
Jan 2017

for medicare and infrastructural improvement is by dipping into farm subsidies. In fact, just how much of my tax money goes to paying these bums? Rural America is all about government handouts. There is truth to my

How much money is it going to take to bail these people out when the Ogallala aquifer runs dry in a few years?

kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
49. Wait until these jerks get drafted to fight a stupid war their idiot starts to protect one
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:54 AM
Jan 2017

Of his overseas properties. Plus what do you bet they were homeschooled?

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
51. Well I'd be glad to give them something to be afraid of.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:58 AM
Jan 2017

Of course they are in a constant state of fear which is why they are so easily manipulated...

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
60. We live in a college town with a wide mix of nationalities, skin color and religions.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:12 PM
Jan 2017

Once, in a retail store, I wished I could have photographed the Amish woman and the woman in a burka exchanging new babies to hold and coo over. My daughter went to a Montessori school for her first four years of schooling. Several months into her first year, she finally asked why there were "so many different skin colors" among her friends. When she talked about her various classmates, we only knew their names. Later she learned a great deal about different ethnicities and religions. Certainly there are some very prejudiced and bigoted residents in the area, and as a teacher, I know that many unenlightened and bigoted conversations and attitudes go on at the homes of some. Most " non-natives" do maintain ties with their cultures as part of their lifestyles. This community is far from a liberal paradise. However, the overall tone of the community is embarrassment at displaying such attitudes in public or at school. It is a start, at least: mixing of cultures among those who have wider world experience and education--- to begin with.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
63. Curiousity, love, affection, compassion...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:15 PM
Jan 2017

...these are all human traits ingrained from birth. You actually have to TEACH HATE, encourage bigotry and foster misunderstanding.

It goes back to the old Native American truism... There's a good wolf and a bad wolf inside each of us. Which one survives and rules? The one that you feed.

LeftinOH

(5,354 posts)
64. Cut to the chase: They don't like fags or 'blacks'.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:17 PM
Jan 2017

..and I am only using the term 'blacks' as a euphemism; deplorables know what they mean.

Mind you, the deplorables have "lots of friends" who are gay and/or black (and they will
ALWAYS remind you of it), and they are outwardly 'nice' to the gays and/or blacks they happen to know, but in general, they have no use for either communities- and they will eagerly vote in the direction that seems the most inclined to disenfranchise either group. But they are totally not prejudiced - and they resent anyone suggesting that they are. After all, they are Republicans... the party that freed the slaves, so how on earth could they be prejudiced?

Sure, there are other variables: Military & law enforcement hagiography; gun fetishism; religion, abortion, etc. But the deplorables' revulsion towards non-white communities and the LGBTQ community is the heart and soul of modern conservatism.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
79. +1000 - I wrote pretty much the same downthread
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jan 2017

before I read this post. I know it and you know it, but the MSM is afraid to say it out loud.

 

Ghost OF Trotsky

(61 posts)
68. I kind of get that.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:26 PM
Jan 2017

"Let him who will not work, not eat" was a refrain I heard many a time.

Everyone in my family, even my liberal mom, had and has utter contempt for anyone who isn't either working or trying to find a job, unless they are literally a quadriplegic.

It is a frame of mind that I fight, but that rises up strongly whenever I see a beggar.

Being a union guy, an environmentalist, having lots of GLBT friends and not caring for an imperialist foreign policy, I vote Democratic in any partisan election. But I understand where that mindset comes from

 

Ghost OF Trotsky

(61 posts)
133. Maybe so.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:52 PM
Jan 2017

Maybe people should be paid according to the calories they burn. I'd think that more fair than someone inheriting a few million and being praised because they managed to turn that into billions in debt.

Just saying that I understand that mindset- "If you aren't working, you should be looking for work and willing to take any job offered", what I grew up with. Can't conceive of not applying for 10-20 jobs a day and being willing to move anywhere and clean toilets or scoop gutters if I were unemployed again. This is a mindset of a lot of people, not all of them have developed the quasi Marxist viewpoint I've come to as seeing it being a problem of the capitalist system. Am I brainwashed by academia, or are my friends and acquaintances victims of Stockholm Syndrome?

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
166. That's not what they were saying. They were saying that Liberals are lazy. That has
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:58 PM
Jan 2017

nothing to do with people being unemployed or looking for work.

It has only to do with the fact that they believe they are more virtuous than Liberals, and they are superior to Liberals.

They feel this way while Liberals are financing their lifestyles.

Fuck 'em.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
69. They can thank those blue states for the Federal tax dollars that fund their state college and unive
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:28 PM
Jan 2017

universities and probably that academic scholarship, too. amirite?

orleans

(34,051 posts)
73. and, i must add a small point to all the wonderful comments upthread
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:34 PM
Jan 2017

the kid is on SCHOLARSHIP at the state university--taking HANDOUTS from the school--who does he think is paying his tuition?

"let's go to work, let the liberals sleep in"

really?

there is some irony here.


leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
75. Honestly, they have been brainwashed by
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:40 PM
Jan 2017

O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Alex Jones etc. and all their super conservative preachers.

I used to go out of my way to be nice to these people because I realized they are just really uneducated. But now I just stay clear away from them.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
76. Like others in this thread, I know these people
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:42 PM
Jan 2017

Not so much in Tulsa, but other places in Oklahoma. They are not Trumpers because of economic reasons. It's all cultural.
They think Hillary/Obama are too favorable to blacks, gays and anything else they consider liberal. They sure don't think Bernie was the answer either. They call him a commie.

We do not need to cater to these people or try to understand them or win them over. Our only hope is to energize those in our tent.
Get them to vote. Also be smart. The hard left needs to shut the fuck up and vote against the right. A moderate Democrat who votes 70% our way in Congress is prefered to a tea-party person who votes 0%.

Support the Democrats in 2018 and onward. Fuck the greens and the others who give us Trump/Pense creeps.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
165. I'd rather have the hard, pipe hitting liberals in charge....
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:57 PM
Jan 2017

....not the milquetoast set we have in charge now that will sell us out first chance they get.

And we need to be hard against the reich. Thomas Jefferson once said, "For I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." We need to do the same.

GoCubsGo

(32,080 posts)
78. Most of these people wouldn't know a liberal if one came up and punched them in the face.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:45 PM
Jan 2017

The ironic thing is that they are in line to get a massive figurative punch in the face from their Dear Leader, along with a big kick in the nuts, and a dozen gut punches. But, they'll still blame it on their mythological liberal boogeymen until their dying days. It would take a mass cult deprogramming to help them recognize who their real enemy is.

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
80. If rural conservatives think they're under siege now,
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:57 PM
Jan 2017

wait until they have to learn Russian because their Don sold out to Putin.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,326 posts)
82. One is at a state and federally subsidized school and the other worked and lives...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:01 PM
Jan 2017

... on a farm that is state and federally subsidized from tax dollars earned by evil libruls in evil big cities.

They most likely went to a sate and federally subsidized grade school on a federally subsidized bus system subsidized by evil libruls.

My father in law was a retired commercial pilot who worked part time as a school bus driver. The company he worked for was a 100% federally subsidized bus company whose job was to pick up poor rural children. He used to shake his head at the Romney signs in the front yard during the 2012 election.


There is a theory economic catastrophe repeats itself every 80 years when the previous generation who remembers dies out. I believe it. I'm beginning to subscribe to the idea these people will never understand until they see it first hand.

They just assume their farm subsidies, rural farm mortgages, crop subsidies, rural power companies, subsidized rural roads all came from baby Jesus and all are their god given right and not the result of liberal policies and liberal tax dollars.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
84. smoke screen .....
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:08 PM
Jan 2017

the whole liberal/conservative / deporables debate is (as it always is) a SMOKE SCREEN.

The hate and bigotry (sometime on both sides), the out of touchness (definitely both sides) - are all results of one thing:

the MASSIVE redistribution and consolidation / HOARDING of wealth and GREED of the small percentage of people at the top - in turn the result of laws and benefits RIGGED to reinforce this.

There is TONS or room for common ground - if we can all start to show the reality behind the curtain.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
91. wrong. read this thread
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:18 PM
Jan 2017

Certainly this is a problem but it doesn't explain Trump voters in any way. This is just some worn-out ... well, I won't finish my thought.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
109. well I think is does explain them...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 02:57 PM
Jan 2017

i certainly agree they ARE misogynist, racist, etc. It's that I believe we need to understand the root cause. Yes, some is religion, culture etc. But it all eventually goes back to being manipulated by people to distract from the fact that the many outnumber the few. By divide and conquer (which is what racism, etc IS) they are able to maintain control.

There will be some of them beyond hope. Brainwashed into a fixed mental state. But we (as we claim to be more compassionate) need to do better than the traditional us vs them which inevitably leads to more and more conflict.


It's the same old thing..... and it's manufactured for a reason..

http://sandiegofreepress.org/2015/02/the-origins-of-institutionalized-racism-a-system-to-control-blacks-and-whites/


On the top of the colonial societies, stood an elite made up of the wealthy plantation owners, rich merchants, manufacturers, traders and their governors. Not only did this colonial elite have to fear a hostile Indian population nearby, they had – in the southern colonies – the strongest and most populated colonies at first – the fear of slave revolt which seems to have been a permanent facet of plantation life. Plus they had to contend with the poor whites’ class anger – servants, tenants, city poor, the propertyless, the soldier, taxpayer, sailor.
Bacon Rebellion Jameton burn

The burning of Jamestown by Bacon rebels, 1676.

Detailed research on slave resistance in North America has found about 250 instances where at least 10 slaves joined in revolt or in a conspiracy to rebel. And time to time, whites were involved in the slave resistance. For instance, there is a record of a Virginia conspiracy in 1663, where indentured white servants and black slaves plotted to rebel and gain their freedom. Yet, the plot betrayed, all the conspirators were executed.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
102. What are liberals out of touch about? We get they also have unemployment and are just rejecting
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:51 PM
Jan 2017

Their xenophobia. It's a false equivalence to say we should accept their bigotry.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
93. Up until this election...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:20 PM
Jan 2017

Up until this election there was a large swath of my fellow Americans whom I disagreed with. I didn't think they "were an enemy to be feared and loathed."

Bettie

(16,095 posts)
137. Me too
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:05 PM
Jan 2017

Now, I know that they are not just nice people with whom I disagree.

They are people who hate. They hate gays, blacks, Muslims, liberals, and oh, it is so much easier to list who they don't hate: anyone who is exactly like them.

The mask is gone and I can now see who they are, very clearly. It is disturbing.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
138. Prior to this election I questioned their judgment, not their character.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 06:10 PM
Jan 2017

Now I am compelled to question both.

rainlillie

(1,095 posts)
122. The differnce is... We don't want to take away their rights.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 04:24 PM
Jan 2017

Or force our religious views or lack there of on them.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
94. THE STUPID is also the most damaging and threatening to the liberty of ALL
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:21 PM
Jan 2017

Of us...including themselves.

Hardest minds to reach. Hardest fight to win. They'll wear you down with easy and deep hate.

I know I am weary to the bone. The frustration is numbing.

But it is THE most important battle facing our nation. I am running out of legitimate years to fight, but maybe the urgency will give me the stubborn stamina to stay defiant to their ugly agenda.

I'll cling to that thought and battle on.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
96. I can't even count the number of people I've met from these red state dystopias...
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:24 PM
Jan 2017

...really bright people, LGBT people, atheists, evolutionary biologists... this is a very positive thing for us living here in solidly Democratic California, but red state "conservative" U.S.A. has a severe problem with "brain drain."

The way to solve this problem is to make it safe for the best and brightest of red state U.S.A. to speak out, and to give them options and opportunities other than leaving.

Entire nations have been able to change.

Ireland is a nation that used to be very similar to red state U.S.A, with a Catholicism that was little different than our oppressive red state Protestantism. A right-wing pedophile priest exiled from the U.S.A., just ahead of a warrant being served, had a higher social status than even a liberal Catholic kid, let alone an atheist or queer kid.

Overall, Ireland is not like that anymore. When it connected socially and economically to the more liberal social democracies of Europe its people, especially younger people, began to feel safe questioning the traditional social order.

"Conservatives" do everything they can to intimidate and silence their opposition, even when their opposition is a thirteen year old kid muttering about yet another Sunday Mass where the creepy priest lights off in another tirade against abortion or ordinary civil rights for LGBT people.

I'm only using the Catholic examples because that's most of my experience. "Conservative" Protestants and Mormons in the U.S.A. can be equally awful. I greatly respect anyone who can express their dissent while living in some red state hell, but I also understand silence, having experienced that pressure myself, knowing I was in a situation where speaking out would be dangerous.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
168. This reminded me of a story about former Irish President Mary McAleese
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 12:21 AM
Jan 2017

And how that idiot Bernard Law decided to be a jerk towards President Mary McAleese when she was here for a state visit, and how his fellow Bishops in Ireland were none too happy with him over his actions.

FORMER President Mary McAleese has revealed how an American cardinal -- later disgraced for his involvement in covering up child sex abuse -- berated her for her support of the ordination of women priests.

According to Ms McAleese, he told her he was "sorry for Catholic Ireland to have you as President" and went on to insult a junior minister who was accompanying the then president.

On her return to Ireland, she confronted the Irish hierarchy to find out if they had been briefing Cardinal Law. Cardinal Desmond Connell was "visibly upset", she recalled, and found it "unacceptable" and was "morally certain there was no input from the Irish bishops".

Cardinal Cahal Daly went as far as inviting her to lunch to apologise and told the President that an invitation by the Irish bishops to Cardinal Law to come to Ireland "had been rescinded".

mtngirl47

(989 posts)
99. They put people in categories according to their beliefs.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:37 PM
Jan 2017

I own a small business and for 18 years deplorables or right wing-nuts, as I like to call them, have walked into my office and assumed that since I own a business, ergo I am one of them.

They rail against taxes and business regulations....when I ask should the County not have a health department...well that's ok. When I suggest that taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society--they agree, but then welfare and food stamps come out of their mouths.

They rant about immigrants and I say, reasonably, yes but who will pick the apples and peaches and tomatoes? And after they have left my office, I look at the receipt and see that their last name is Rodriguez or Martinez and I have to laugh out loud. (WTF--how far back is that Mexican heritage?)

People will always have prejudices. My son once explained a bad grade in a class was because his teacher was prejudiced against him. I laughed and asked if it was a thing about red hair! When I have a bad customer experience--I have found that I have taken that experience and used it as a basis for other interactions with people that were the same. Example: Young adults creating havoc at my tourist destination does NOT mean that ALL young adults will do the same....but the temptation is to ban everyone under a certain age to protect yourself.

Democrats and Progressives must get our own talk radio shows. And we need to be as sensationalist as the right wing has been. With all the media and noise available in today's world--only the loudest and most outrageous noises will be heard (i.e. Trump).
Democrats and Progressives love facts and will debate the context of one word for hours....but the people we want to join us in a coalition are young and have the attention span of a TV commercial (my personal experience as a Scout Leader and Sunday School Teacher.) Thus the success of the Tweet.

Church influence is another problem...one that we cannot fix without lots of government intervention denying tax exempt status for political activity. Who are you going to call? and who is going to call. We can console ourselves with the fact that Americans aren't going to church any more in large numbers. Church membership is falling and church participation is falling and as a result churches will have less money. Politicians will still pay lip service and tout their faith (2 Corinthians).

I have heard us called Snow Flakes...Libturds or Libtards....Baby Killers....Communists. We do the same. We can only continue to fight and call their crap out for what it is.

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
103. This reminds me of the people in Germany who praised Hitler
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 01:56 PM
Jan 2017

before and after he was elected. Godwin's rule is out the window when it comes to Trump's followers and Trump. He is the modern equivalent of the methods used that raised the Nazis to power.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
106. Trump supporting co-workers at work think I'm cool
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 02:13 PM
Jan 2017

and it's gotten really strange. If they're talking politics, and I disagree, it's like I'm a ghost. I might get a baffeled look like I'm speaking another language, then just ignored. The rest of the time, most everyone loves me, asks me for advice on things, etc. I've never experienced anything like it.

lark

(23,097 posts)
118. These are the same type of people that supported Hitler,
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:47 PM
Jan 2017

and blamed and hated the jews.

I loathe these ignorant buffoons and am glad that the repeal of ACA will hurt them the most, since they truly deserve 100% of the hurt as they caused it. I ache for the people (including possibly me in a year or so) who didn't support Drumpf, recognized his true
criminality, treachery with Russia, racism and misogyny and are still going to get severely hurt by drumpf and the R's policies.

ananda

(28,858 posts)
120. Good
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 04:16 PM
Jan 2017

I wouldn't want to be liked by people like that.

I want them to feel challenged and stressed all the time.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
124. god, this really breaks my heart.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 04:46 PM
Jan 2017

I can see the truth of it. So fresh-washed, cornbread and milkin the cows good heartland values.

Well, whst do we do, in terms of introducing more complex thinking?


Oh geeezzzzz, I don't know. I don't have any answers, except that changing hearts requires one-to-one dialogue, for starters.

It's not a quick protection against the big changes coming.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
130. These people can't think
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:16 PM
Jan 2017

They enjoy their fundamentalist lives. They don't believe in science,
rational causation, or accountability.

If they get cancer from the local chemical plant or food they eat, or
health problems from bad diet, it's not their fault, or the food, the company,
the cholesterol. It just happens. God is there to help them. In fact, I would
argue they enjoy their plight because it provides them salvation through
suffering. They just go blindly onward, and accept what happens. Everything
is off the cuff, a gut feeling. Trump connected with that.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
131. My father worked part time starting when he was 10.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 05:19 PM
Jan 2017

HIS father likewise.

I started part time at 14, worked through University, and worked full time from 22-62. My family has voted Democratic in this country since 1968.

SO what values are they talking about?

haele

(12,650 posts)
145. Judgement and Strength. Their answers to confusion and fear.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 08:12 PM
Jan 2017

Conservatives, especially those who stayed in rural areas when given the opportunity to leave, just want things to stay the same. They are in small and obscure enough communities that if there's a job there, they can "work hard" and still have enough to go out with their friends and have a good time on the weekend. And they're isolated enough they can settle down into a comfortable routine and rarely get surprised or have to face something that may challenge their personal. The rest of the world pretty much leaves them alone for the most part; so their primary interaction with anything they're not familiar with or anyone they don't personally know is either through TV or through something the government brings to their county because something needs to be addressed.
Their chosen church gives them comfort, tells them it's never their fault when things go wrong, because their real reward is in heaven and everything in this world is a test of their faith. That the very human and most likely sinful man (or woman) who stands behind the pulpit somehow mystically "knows" the mind, words and judgment of a being that supposedly created the universe in its entirety, a universe more diverse and extending far, far beyond the small communities the parishioners inhabit.

And this "mouthpiece of the Lord" that tells them they're God's Special Warriors supposedly knows more and is more holy than that other preacher in that other church two miles down the main drag...who's a straight up hypocritical blasphemer going to hell, don't-cha-know...

Personally, I have always felt that the greatest blasphemy any person can make of a supposedly Omnipotent Creator God is to pretend to be that God's chosen mouthpiece, protector, and enforcer.
Doesn't matter who you claim to follow; if you put yourself up in God's chair to tell people what to do and how to live their lives, that's stealing Divinity from your God.

These Conservatives choose to have a life that's "simple". That doesn't require them to be curious or have to consider a larger reality. They want to be able to get the level of tools and technology to be comfortable, then shut the rest of the world out so they can claim to be real people - American frontiersmen - even though they really don't know what it means to truly be on one's own without the rest of the world available to provide support, and most wouldn't be able to survive scavenging on their own in the wild more than a couple months.

They'd rather be slaves of the big family on the big hill throwing them a few crumbs and the protection from consequences as long as they do what "s/he" tells them, than to be out on their own and take responsibility for their own thoughts and actions.

And I'm saying this a born in tie-dye hippy liberal, who grew up learning enough about living in the wild, I'm still pretty sure that if you dropped me in the typical North American wild 100 miles from nowhere buck nekkid, I can survive a winter and wildlife with rocks, branches, vines/plant fiber, clay and whatever else is out there -
That is, of course, so long as you dropped me off in that state around May during temperate summer-like weather to gather food and make tools from whatever is around, a sturdy shelter, and some articles of coverings that can be used as shoes and clothes.
It takes curiosity and the courageous willingness to examine options and be open and flexible to survive with nothing but your wits.

I doubt most of these "Hard Working, Real American" corn-fed country boys so proud of being rural could last more than a couple weeks in the wild in the summer without bringing along tools to begin with - their guns, knives, lighters, modern clothing - and whatever else is in the precious he-man prepper "bug out" kits their Conservative con men are telling them they need to buy to protect themselves and their comfortable, white bread lifestyle against the nasty Liberals who will turn them Gay, Atheist-Muslim-Buddhist, and take away their Guns and give all their stuff to those dark people who live in the Ghettos, driving Cadillacs and pimping their kids.

Haele


guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
180. I understand the rural area mindset.
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 12:25 PM
Jan 2017

My family is from a very rural area of eastern Canada, many of my uncles were farmers. And yes, there is the us vs. the outsiders mentality. But people also have to recognize that even in a small rural area, one is surrounded by the products of an industrialized society.

The house where my father was raised had an outside back house, no indoor plumbing except for a hand pump at the sink. There were 2 wood stoves for heat. A small 3 bedroom house for 15 children and 2 adults. But even there, there was a store for buying canned goods, and newspapers from outside, and other evidence that they were not alone. In other words, civilization and big government.

I feel that too many of these GOP types really think that Mayberry was real.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
140. We do have 'things' they want, and we need to keep those things just out of reach and make
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 07:45 PM
Jan 2017

them work for those things that Blue States excel at.

Right now they don't care if an A lister comes or goes from trump's parade.

But when they lose conventions and sporting events, entertainment and future business in trade, resources and tourism
they will eventually feel the pinch.

Stand up for your BLUE STATE, your Blue community, buy Blue, travel Blue and be proactive. Write companies, and, also, international companies and sports teams and tell them your concerns with red state laws and their 'moral values' that allow sexist, racist and homophobic leaders in their government.

Make sure the line between the red state values(trump)and Blue State values is very clear.

Tikki

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
141. Yet I'm supposed to give these people creedence and respect them? Fuck rural America
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 07:50 PM
Jan 2017

And I grew up in rural America! Northern Sullivan, almost Delaware County, NY.

Fuck these people. I hope they enjoy the anal probing the GOP gives them. God, Gays, Gun. That's all that matters to these people. And again, remember, I grew up around these assholes.

Iggo

(47,552 posts)
149. Not losing any sleep over it.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 09:21 PM
Jan 2017

Thy don't like a lot of people.

Women, immigrants, people of color, gay people, poor people, sick people, educated people, young people, old people....

Yeah, so they don't like liberals. Fuck 'em.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
151. The "real Americans" strike again.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 09:37 PM
Jan 2017

Fuck them, fuck country "music", fuck NASCAR. They really admire that lose Earnhardt who clearly should never have been behind a wheel to start with. Go drink and take orders from your born again pastors.

I am a liberal and a business owner. Fuck these inbred losers.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
152. Why isn't "The Art Of The Deal" the new "Mein Kampf"?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 09:40 PM
Jan 2017

Because Hitler actually wrote "Mein Kampf" himself.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
153. Until their girlfriend gets knocked up and they need Fi-Aid money for beer & premium porns
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 09:43 PM
Jan 2017

Then abortion and socialism frick'n RULE. Jesus is a super-cool white dude who knows those rules are for dirty brown people, and Donald Trump is going to put them all in their place. MAKE AMURKA WHITE AGAIN! YEEOOAH!

dubyadiprecession

(5,707 posts)
156. Those two boys are misinformed about Trump..
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 09:52 PM
Jan 2017

Trump doesn't go to church and as far as i know and Jesus never boasted about grabbing women by their vagina's.

Jetboy

(792 posts)
157. Republicans learned long ago that perception and not reality is what's important.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 10:10 PM
Jan 2017

That's why they can be successful at the ballot box despite a track record of complete failure. It's like some late night TV product- put all of the money and effort into hype and advertising, don't worry about the fact that the product is complete garbage.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
178. They rely on the social programs Democrats created.
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 08:34 AM
Jan 2017

If their lord and savior, Donald J. Trump, takes them away they'll be sending us flowers and chocolates.

iluvtennis

(19,852 posts)
182. Really resent that white working class are the only hard workers...
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 02:46 PM
Jan 2017

...I am on a train here in the Bay area with 100s of folks on their way to work. To get on this train, we all got up somewhere around 5:00/6:00 am and we won't get home until about 6/7pm tonight.

We work hard TOO! How many people do you know who live off of their investments. I don't know any. Yes, I know many with investments, but it not enough to live and support your family - they all work 9 to 5 jobs.

Although my family lived in metro area, my mom and dad went to work everyday and my dad had a second job he did on the weekends. And we were poor living paycheck to paycheck.

The difference between the current rural American folks and my family was that my parents didn't complain. It was what it was, and they did what they needed to do to survive and raise their children.

PLEASE, ENOUGH of this stuff that rural Americans are the oly ones who work in this country - that is pure BS.

p.s. On my train ride, we were blowing by an area in San Mateo, CA and to my surprise I saw big painted (nicely colored) backside of a building with "Fuck Donald Trump" on it...made my dat

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