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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI Hear A Lot Of Talk About The Russian Hacking But Little Talk About.....
what we are going to do to prevent this from ever happening again.
Is anyone talking about measures the U.S. Government has to take to protect its computer systems (across the board) from ever being hacked again?
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Squinch
(50,949 posts)proceed is as follows:
First, encourage every publication that runs a story on this by clicking on the stories and spreading them around. DON'T click on those that give Twitler's point of view on it, ONLY on those that give the truth and that somehow acknowledge the seriousness of the problem
Second, when this is firmly entrenched in the media's daily habits, we get out our pitchforks and torches, and we make ourselves the boils on the butts of our representatives, never giving them any rest, until they do something about it. We call them, we picket them, we write them, we write open letters to them in newspapers. We make nuisances of ourselves.
The fear of The Mob That Is Us is what made them quickly reverse themselves on the ethics committee. Let's develop and use that fear.
boston bean
(36,221 posts)
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)
ffr
(22,670 posts)Investigate the mechanisms to that and you might begin to destabilize foreign propaganda from infiltrating the news being watched and heard by U.S. citizens.
On 6 August, RT published an English-language video called “Julian Assange Special: Do WikiLeaks Have the E-mail That’ll Put Clinton in Prison?” and an exclusive interview with Assange entitled “Clinton and ISIS Funded by the Same Money.” RT’s most popular video on Secretary Clinton, “How 100% of the Clintons’ ‘Charity’ Went to...Themselves,” had more than 9 million views on social media platforms. RT’s most popular English language video about the President-elect, called “Trump Will Not Be Permitted To Win,” featured Assange and had 2.2 million views. - TPM Pg 14 of 25
All of them were produced by....?
THE KREMLIN. And rebroadcast by Fox News & RW media outlets to hoodwink American voters into voting for the Russian backed candidate.
Va Lefty
(6,252 posts)
stevebreeze
(1,877 posts)The constitution specifically allows congress to change rules on elections. We should have universal paper trail. universal registration. Both of these would be big bones for democrats.
global1
(25,247 posts)what about our electrical grid? What about hacking into Customs data bases? What about IRS? Medicare? Social Security? etc.
I'm talking about all of the U.S.Government Data and Databases are susceptible to hacking. Shouldn't this be the discussion now?
What are we going to do to protect ourselves going forward to hacking of any kind? This should be of national concern and bipartisan in scope. We should be allotting a great deal of money in order to shore up our computerization security in this country.
Yet I don't think there has been much talk about doing this.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)These have involved industry group for the electrical grid, telecom networks, financial systems, etc., both commercially and in cooperation with government agencies.
However, there is reluctance on the government's part to make this so secure that their intercept abilities are crippled, and there is reluctance on the part of industry to spend money now to ward off something that may or may not occur in the future. Getting your top management to sign off on a big security project is difficult. They become more amenable after there has been a publicized breach.
global1
(25,247 posts)And we're going to wait until the electrical grid goes down first and all kinds of chaos ensues?
There have been some really scary articles written about the chaos that an electrical grid outage across the country would create. Google electrical grid attack and see what's been predicted.
The time to do something about this is before it happens cause we won't be able to do much after it happens.
We should have gotten our warning sign loud and clear from this hacking breach by the Russians.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)For example, the US Customs system that tied up international air passengers a few days ago. Someone screwed up a software update and caused the system to collapse. But alternatives were used, and the system was rolled back and recovered.
Luckily, our inability to write completely reliable and bug-free software gives us a lot of practical experience in fixing it when things go wrong.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)
Atticus
(15,124 posts)King Donald and Czar Vladimir agree that all this "Hacking" kerfluffle is simply a "witchhunt" by disappointed Corrupt Hillary supporters. Nothing to see here---move along!
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)You can't fix stupid.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)Maybe our position should be that even stupid emails are entitled to be secure from hacking--- by the KGB, the GOP or whoever the hell wants to embarrass a US citizen or political group.
Blaming Podesta is exactly what Vlad and the boys hoped to accomplish.
I agree with your last sentence.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Plus, humans are generally lazy and don't like the extra effort it requires to learn how to use secure systems nor to operate them correctly.
gulliver
(13,180 posts)If an election process is not robust enough to handle a successful phishing email, then we are in trouble.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)Since youth is knowledge, I guess.
IphengeniaBlumgarten
(328 posts)I think we already have laws against electronic intrusions/theft/etc.
We need to have more educated users (individuals and organizations, both) that understand basic security and value it enough to hire good IT staff that will enforce safe computing procedures and be alert enough to quickly spot intrusions. Podesta was caught in a phishing trap because he was naive and trusting. I have not seen how the DNC systems were hacked, but it went on quite a while apparently before anyone realized.
I would be interested to know what safeguards were on this system and how it was compromised. It is likely that some human error, either user or IT staff, was involved.
global1
(25,247 posts)I'm talking about upgrading our governments computerized security to prevent electronic intrusions/theft/hacking/etc.
We can put a man on the moon - but we can't protect the computer systems that could get him there.
No one is talking about spending money to prevent future occurrences of hacking.
So are we just going to let our systems be susceptible to hacking and complain about it when it happens again?
We need to take preventative actions or this will happen again and again. It is more likely to happen again now that it is all over the news as to how vulnerable the U.S. is to hacking.
IphengeniaBlumgarten
(328 posts)I believe the federal government systems are much better protected than the various state systems. I think I recall reading that State has been hacked, but think this was caught quickly. And there was trouble with the IRS system a while back, but that was not so much as intrusion as it was exploiting a loophole that enabled someone to impersonate a real filer and obtain their refund -- again, that was caught and fixed.
But the voting systems that are operated and maintained by the various States vary a lot in their maintenance and vulnerabilities. Each State has to want a good, secure, possible-to-recount system and I am not sure that this is universally the case. Kansas and Wisconsin come to mind, but their governors are all too happy with the way things are. Since our laws distribute the responsibility for elections to the States, reforms, if any, will probably have to be demanded by the voters.... and too many think: "Oh, it's on computer, it must be accurate... look at the nice user interface..."
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)The companies that there being hacked are not looking to go backwards in technology. Ask your credit card company if they are planning to get rid of credit cards and go cash only to prevent credit card fraud. Is the DNC looking at eliminating email? Honestly your paper ballot idea is the same as Trump saying to use couriers.
gulliver
(13,180 posts)He can't do anything to improve our security without admitting why it is necessary. It's necessary because he was falsely elected.
madville
(7,410 posts)I thought it was mainly Podesta and the DNC emails that were hacked and damaging to the Clinton campaign.
Would it be a good idea for the major political parties to conduct their campaign business on Federal Government IT systems instead of their own private and/or commercial email systems?
IphengeniaBlumgarten
(328 posts)Don't know if any voter information was altered or used.
Federal systems do not seem to have been affected during the election.
It seems problematic for the federal government to provide computing systems for the use of political parties.... and, really, would the out-of-power party feel comfortable keeping its data on on systems that were controlled by its opponents. You have to assume some very upright behavior, which I don't think applies under the incoming administration.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)triron
(22,003 posts)by the meme that 'oh well have to accept it and btw election was fair anyway and has to stand'. Effectively saying 'ho hum we don't give a shit really'.
VOX
(22,976 posts)No problem. In fact many of the goober horde that went for Trump think that their end justifies the means, or that it's all "Democrat (sic) sour grapes."
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)Most of us will never know how much the people in Washington will know.
