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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Friday Afternoon Challenge returns with: GLAM Girls!
Here are some swanky women that appear in photographs and paint. You must identify the artist who photographed/painted them. (Dont worry, you guys get a Glam challenge all your own next month!)
And...lets not cheat, mkay?
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Looks like it could be Diane Arbus
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I love the Deco period.
Tamara Lempicka
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Have you studied that era in art/architecture?
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)If not, I'd guess Newton.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)as I recall--oh, and it's Lillian Hellman
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)and of course it is Hellman, with her usual hauteur and cigarette...gotta love her!
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)EFerrari
(163,986 posts)lol
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)It is amazing to me that no one recognized her!
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)It isn't often I go on and on about an actress (other than Meryl Streep or Jodie Foster). But Cotillard is definitely a cut above the rest. A fine actress and a delight to watch. Her performance in Midnight is just about perfect...
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)and I would have to guess the photographer--Cecil Beaton maybe
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)He was a famous Hollywood glamour photographer who did a lot of work like this.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Is it a Klimt?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Egon Schiele and thats all I know.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Just a guess.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)he photographed everyone.
Mz Pip
(27,448 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Are you familiar with Hurrell's work? He was awfully prolific and he photographed Crawford a helluva lot...
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)And seems he photographed all the screen goddesses.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)A large crop area adjacent to a Lousiana County.
And if not, then I like it very much in Spanish (maybe with a gas remover, perhaps).
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You know they don't have counties in Lousiana, yes?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)But if you are thinking Maxfield Parrish, no, ain't his...
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Je suis desolee...
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)an Otto or Max... it's a very Germanic name. Klinger... something like that.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)unusually good. My memory for names is an actual disability.
I don't know the painting itself but I think I know the painter... one of those decadent post-WW1 Germans or Austrians, right?
But I would never conjure the name.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)you are very, very good...
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)As always it's on the tip of my brain! Somewhere!
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)not as famous as Kirchner and perhaps a bit earlier than Kirchner...
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)#2, that is. Yowza!
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)RZM
(8,556 posts)I know the model, but I can't for the life of me remember her name. I think she's from Nigeria though.
For the photographer, I guess I'll go with Herb Ritts.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)RZM
(8,556 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)woah.
KatChatter
(194 posts)to some these pictures are pornographic.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)sorry...I want to respond to your concerns but I don't see it...
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)KatChatter
(194 posts)What ever floats yer boat!
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)KatChatter
(194 posts)when surfing the intertubes I have run across some pretty strange things, I think it is call Furries and Fur Sluts. Try goggling fur fetish and feather fetish too, you will get plenty of hits.
Happy surfing!
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I confess I haven't gone to them but I wonder if you could explain what you see that is relevant to both. I am not being snarky. I really want to know...
KatChatter
(194 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)we will miss their participation.
They would identify the works, right before dynamiting them.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)pornographic. I'm a very curious person. And art means a lot to me...
If anything, I don't think "Glamor" is pornographic...but I dunno...
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)I think it was a meta-comment on the porn wars and female objectification, suggesting that someone else would have such an objection.
But hopefully he/she will not conflate my acidic snark and your calm, concerned consideration.
KatChatter
(194 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)and, as a feminist, I do not dismiss it. I probably should have put my title to this Challenge in quotation marks because using "girls" for women is not something I would usually do.
but you are not the taliban for expressing your concern, IMO. You have a very valid point of view. I look at the history of art as an amateur and I think "How can a feminist approve of this?" and it bothers me. I think that female art historians have acknowledged the sexism as an artifact of the artists' day and moved on from there.
To me, great art isn't one thing only. There are places in it that I diverge from the artist's vision (which, in the case of women, is often deformed at worst, limited at best). So I look to other facets to see the aesthetic of the work. That involves a lot of things and I won't bore you with what Ithink they are.
Suffice to say that my feminism and my love of art have somehow been reconciled, but I am open to argument and persuasion. I am old but not too old to change my mind on things...
Thank you for giving us your viewpoint on my Challenge! I appreciate your time and your thoughtfulness.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I would like to understand. I don't think we need to put Kat down for expressing an opinion, before we know what informs that opinion.
Art impacts people in different ways and I think that is fascinating. Don't you?
KatChatter
(194 posts)Last edited Sat Jun 23, 2012, 06:35 AM - Edit history (1)
see post #48
Art from the very beginning has ALWAYS been controversial.
Many famous works of art today were considered the porn of the day.
Art and the appreciation of it is totally subjective, what is moving to some people is meaningless to others.
I myself am still trying to get abstract expressionism to me looks like random paint splashes.
Is it good, I dont think so but others do and gladly spend millions to obtain one by a top artist.
Besides who besides your self is really the arbitrator of art and what is good and what is not?
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)One of the reasons I included the Avedon photo of Lillian Hellman is that to me glamor is beyond the beautiful, the young, the unlined face, the firm flesh. I wanted to say that even in her obvious older age, Hellman projected a kind of glamor. I meant to be more inclusive with using that term.
I understand, BTW, that the word "glamor" is from the Scottish word for "magic." I get that from the works I put up here.
You are so right that art appreciation IS selective, altho I do wish I had more of the study of Aesthetics than I had. If I were younger I would probably go back for a Masters in Art History, but I am not up for the academic rigor that would require. So I self teach.
Art has been/is controversial and your view is as valid as mine and we can agree on that point. I can try to see what you are saying because I will learn something from the effort.
A side note on abstract art: you may know the history around Rothko's works. It is chronicled in "People Who Cry in Front of Pictures" and in Simon Schama's "The Power of Art" (see the segment on Rothko on YouTube). There are people who burst into tears looking at his works. Why: some people say it is because they are so FULL of meaning and others say it is because they are so EMPTY of feeling. You can't get more subjective in the extreme than that!
I am reminded that "Guernica" was so powerful that Franco tried to get his hands on it and destroy it, but Picasso got it out of Spain and sent to MoMA in NYC before Franco could do so. It came back to Spain after Franco died. This painting has had more than just one controversy since it was painted...again Schama has a segment on "The Power of Art." I recommend the series.
Thanks again for offering your view. I hope you will revisit the Challenge. I value your input!
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Are you in some kind of hurry?
MADem
(135,425 posts)These might be pornographic to the Taliban, but I don't think we have any members of that club on the board.
If these photographs/paintings are too much for someone, they just might be in the wrong place.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)another look at the photo of Marion Cotillard, #2, by Peter Lindbergh. Maybe it is too explicit in that pose. "Glamor" in most of the other ones has some irony built in. The Lindbergh is to me lovely because she is such a lovely actress and I know her from "Midnight in Paris," which I loved (OK, I broke my rule against ever seeing another Woody Allen movie after the affair with his stepdaughter). I thought she'd be good for this because of her wildly beautiful face. But maybe that knee is too much. I don't know, really...
MADem
(135,425 posts)Good grief, those ankles must be driving men mad in the first shot!!!
This might be Taliban porn, but in the real world, they're just lovely pictures.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I think the knee thing is very much implied so I don't disagree with you on that. I guess the other is the idea of seduction, which to me, in these photos, are in the hands of the women, not the men, really.
It's a fair point and I don't want to not hear that argument out. That is all I am saying.
MADem
(135,425 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I'm really just trying to see it from another point of view. I pride myself on being a feminist so this is very important to me...
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Yes, I know I was being very catty about poor Lilliane
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)keep guessing. We have more to decipher...luv ya...
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)IcyPeas
(21,883 posts)the Kirshner hint gave it to me. I like expressionism.
I don't know who she is though.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)That's all I got.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)It isn't Hurley.
Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)happy to see some of these works, just for the sheer joy of it...
My purpose is not to try to stump people, but to get folks to talk about art more. I hear so many stories on these threads about DUers interaction with art in their lives. It is really fascinating...
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)I have two prints of two other painting by her and her style is unmistakeable.
Here's a photo of her:
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)She kinda grows on you...
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)too easy for this crowd. Do they ever know their Sargent!
Believe me, there was a LOT that I had to leave out (reluctantly), altho I reserve the right to do a "More Glam Girls" sequel sometime in the future!
Next month I will have a Glam Guys Challenge for you...stay tuned...
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)the one remaining mystery will be revealed!