A friend I posted says "we may get single payer" out of this mess???

[bettyellen]

Anyone see this anywhere? He listened to too much Wikileaks / Intercept / RT crap all last year.... so, is THAT where this crap is coming from?

[Sherman A1]

1. anything is "possible"

I suspect that result (single payer) is highly unlikely.

[ananda]

14. Yes, they'd have to raise taxes.

And the whole point of repeal is to
lower taxes for the rich..

[WhiteTara]

2. You may get a voucher out of this

IF you are lucky. Otherwise you better start you Health Savings Account because you get NOTHING.

[hurple]

9. STOP!

Calling them vouchers. The way the rethugs have won the narrative is by the branding they use. So, let's start calling these what they are... coupons.

"You'll lode your Medicare, but the gov't will give you a 10% off coupon for whatever insurance you can find."


I know from personal experience re-branding with that phrase will make them start to listen.

[WhiteTara]

10. Okay. Coupons

IF you are lucky. And the coupon will be for medical care...not insurance.

In Arkansas, they want a block grant because it can be used anyway they want...it won't have to go to the intended purpose.

[mcar]

3. I saw that on a JPR thread

These people are delusional.

[bettyellen]

6. Oh goodness, this means some phony ultra-lefty is pushing this now....

My friend was into the Wikileaks thing... when it morphed into Guccifer crap I had to push back. He'd gotten as far as the "Lock he up" shut before his wife and I sat him down and explained how he was fucking up Bernies campaign more than anything.
Now this? What?

[mcar]

12. They do jump from one thing to another, don't they?

[bettyellen]

13. Can you recall if there was a source or statement that this idea was based on?

I know Trump was trashing single payer as late as October... and thought all of his appointees and advisers weren't any where near supportive of single payer?

I'm at a loss about this one.

[yardwork]

16. It's the same magical thinking that is destroying the country.

People are too lazy to find out how our government actually works. It's much more immediately gratifying to vote for people who make big easy promises.

[bettyellen]

21. This is coming from a very smart guy who is just very very into single payer...

It's an obsession. In his case he is well meaning and blinded by hope.

[yardwork]

22. Very smart people are susceptible to magical thinking too.

We saw a lot of that earlier this year,

[mcar]

17. No. Just more of the burn it down crap

Appeal the ACA and the RWNJ will suddenly come to their senses and pass single payer. And puppies and unicorns for everyone.

These are people who believe that Trump "means well" and is way better than Hillary.

[bettyellen]

23. I think that Trumps wild card behavior feeds these kind of delusions....

As if congress would go for it? That's crazy!

[Sherman A1]

31. I'm one of

Those People on JPR and I am not at all delusional.

I will say that name calling or sweeping generalizations does not add to the dialogue.

[Wellstone ruled]

4. You will never see Single Payer

with a Republican controlled Congress. Only thing you will see is a Single Payer Health Savings Account.

[Lint Head]

5. We may get cheese out of the moon. Who would have ever thought we would get a President right out of

the loony bin.

[Warren DeMontague]

7. We'll get something even better: ZERO Payer!

[NCjack]

8. After the Repukes kill ACA, they may divide on crafting

a replacement bill, and when they discover that they are in a dead-end canyon, the only way out is Medicare for all. It is important for DEMs to stand back and let them fight.

[PoliticAverse]

11. "I cannot conceive of any scenario in which that could eventuate." n/t

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[Blue_Warrior]

15. The only way we get single payer is if Trump demands it

He's nearly as much a wild card to the republicans as he is to the Democrats. It's a long shot for sure.

[Hoyt]

26. He really is a wildcard. I don't think anyone can predict what he will do with things like ACA.

[Motown_Johnny]

18. IF the (R)s collapse the entire health care system. Then Maybe..

in the aftermath single payer could have a chance.

Maybe.

[Dan]

19. Actually, I believe that your friend is right

Now, only the insane would say that the GOP cares about people of color; or that the GOP cares about poor people; or that the GOP cares about woman; or the GOP cares about the middle class.

There are two things that the GOP does care about: (1). Taking care of the rich; and (2) protecting their political seats.

Repealing the ACA - is going to cause a lot of hurt (but it won't cure stupid) - and because of that the potential impact to item #2 will cause them to seek some answer that will work. The Dems aren't going to help them and they really have put themselves in a box - so the only viable solution for them - is single pay.

Of course, if the GOP could vote on a bill that only Rich, Old, White men would be covered - then they would be in heaven. But because the great unwashed have the right to vote (as of the time of this writing) - they will realize that that base (rich, old, white mean of property) cannot keep them in office - once those that voted for Putin's puppet realize how screwed they are - item #2 will motivate them.

[Vinca]

20. There is one thing the GOP hasn't considered and that is Manbaby's experience

with his holdings overseas. In Scotland, for example, no employer-provided health insurance. Imagine how much money Twitler would save if he didn't have to shell out for health insurance for his employees in this country. It's a long shot, to be sure, but nothing would surprise me at this point. If he can get the government to pay his business expenses he's usually all in.

[bettyellen]

24. Sure- but congress is not going to let it happen

[Denzil_DC]

25. They may be clinging to this:

Trump vows ‘insurance for everybody’ in Obamacare replacement plan

President-elect Donald Trump said in a weekend interview that he is nearing completion of a plan to replace President Obama’s signature health-care law with the goal of “insurance for everybody,” while also vowing to force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices in Medicare and Medicaid.

Trump declined to reveal specifics in the telephone interview late Saturday with The Washington Post, but any proposals from the incoming president would almost certainly dominate the Republican effort to overhaul federal health policy as he prepares to work with his party’s congressional majorities.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vows-insurance-for-everybody-in-obamacare-replacement-plan/2017/01/15/5f2b1e18-db5d-11e6-ad42-f3375f271c9c_story.html?postshare=1231484529419268&tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.3a14a8762f15

He should probably run that by Paul Ryan at some point.

[HassleCat]

27. Vouchers maybe

I guess the Republicans might call that single payer. They would call scrambled eggs a guided missile, too, so who knows.

[killbotfactory]

28. We won't get shit.

If he has an "only Nixon can go to China" moment and pulls off single payer I'll eat a Trump hat.

[blue cat]

29. If single payer means shitty ass coupons

Then yes, we counter single payer.

[herding cats]

30. If Trump were to push for that the Republicans would suddenly find something very damaging

On Trump. They'll hate to have to do it, but they'll have to bring forth impeachment hearings. It will be billed as out of their hands, it was just too devastating to ignore.

But, Trump isn't going to push their hand that far, he's just blowing smoke up people's rear ends in an attempt to mend his unpopularity with voters. He's giving them a tiny (details to be disclosed later) nudge in any direction they care to wander. It looks like they're wandering just like he knew they would.

[wishstar]

32. That is what Don the Con has wanted people to think all along with his vague promises

Ultimately we will see "bait and switch" resulting in less adequate health care coverage, not more