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Phoenix61

(16,984 posts)
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:11 AM Jan 2017

Buyer's remorse

I met a friend tonight I hadn't seen for a while at a local restaurant. I know she voted for Trump because I tried to talk her out of it. One of the first things she said is he needs to stop tweeting, he needs to stop saying those hateful things. I told her I didn't think so because that's who people voted for and that's what they got and they should see exactly what it is they got. Then she told me she has heard things and wanted to know what was going on. I told her what I know, thank you DU, and she was very open to learning more. She is a very trusting soul and I don't think she was able to fathom the corruption behind the Trump campaign. I think that might be true for a lot of people.

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Buyer's remorse (Original Post) Phoenix61 Jan 2017 OP
Maybe there are different types of Trump voters. madaboutharry Jan 2017 #1
Exactly SHRED Jan 2017 #2
I know Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #3
Trump voters I know utterly refused to question the fake news and purposely ignored all warnings dalton99a Jan 2017 #6
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #12
+1 n/t blue cat Jan 2017 #17
Exactly correct. Orrex Jan 2017 #22
Like I've said before. LuvLoogie Jan 2017 #4
You may have said it before BlueSpot Jan 2017 #7
Thank you for the late night chuckle. 3catwoman3 Jan 2017 #10
I am 70 and back in Obamas first election, I got a very young woman an Obama yard sign. Jim Beard Jan 2017 #5
welcome to DU, and please keep up the fight. Each one. Teach one. LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #8
Thanks! Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #9
I have tried to be sympathetic ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #11
Yep. I also hear a lot of "Oh he didn't really mean what he said..." Lucinda Jan 2017 #13
And again, the question is ... NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #14
Exactly. Lucinda Jan 2017 #15
It IS mind-boggling. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #16
But I thought blue cat Jan 2017 #18
Well, there's that, too. NanceGreggs Jan 2017 #19
Only one answer...Hate B C Butler Jan 2017 #21
I asked my friend the same question Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #23
Thank you. This is how we win Trump voters back in 2018. femmedem Jan 2017 #20
That's what the 'BR' in 'Brexit' stands for. randome Jan 2017 #24

madaboutharry

(40,175 posts)
1. Maybe there are different types of Trump voters.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:22 AM
Jan 2017

Some may have been mislead, but at the end of the day they all heard the same hate speech coming out of his mouth and they voted for him anyway.

Phoenix61

(16,984 posts)
3. I know
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:30 AM
Jan 2017

And it really surprised me because she is so not that way. I realize we are all going to have to deal with the fallout of folks not taking the time to educate themselves about the nominees and the issues but.. it's nice to be able to talk to my friend again.

dalton99a

(81,274 posts)
6. Trump voters I know utterly refused to question the fake news and purposely ignored all warnings
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:44 AM
Jan 2017

Trump was THEIR guy and they wanted to vote for him - no matter what.

Orrex

(63,143 posts)
22. Exactly correct.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 08:34 AM
Jan 2017

At the end of the day, no matter how many different types of Trump voter there are, there is only one type of Trump voter.

LuvLoogie

(6,894 posts)
4. Like I've said before.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:32 AM
Jan 2017

We said, "Look. It's dog shit. Don't step in it!"
They said, "Fuck you. I'm stepping in it."
Then their like. "Man. What's that smell?!"
You point at their shoes. They say, "Fuck! It's dog shit! Clean it off for me."

BlueSpot

(855 posts)
7. You may have said it before
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:44 AM
Jan 2017

But this is the first time I've seen it. And all I can say is that is about as perfectly right as it gets, right down to "clean it off for me."

3catwoman3

(23,907 posts)
10. Thank you for the late night chuckle.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:17 AM
Jan 2017

I have laryngitis, so there's not much sound coming out, but I'm enjoying it anyway.

That does seem to sum up the mentality very well.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
5. I am 70 and back in Obamas first election, I got a very young woman an Obama yard sign.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 01:37 AM
Jan 2017

I thought I had won a Republican for life. Well this year she wouldn't put up a yard sign and didn't tell me until last week she voted for Trump. A couple of days afterwards she ask for a hug and I told her "I don't hug Republicans and left". Well, I mean that was a big sacrifice to turn down a hug from a cute young woman. She also knew what Trump was saying. So much for the Latino vote.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
11. I have tried to be sympathetic ...
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 02:49 AM
Jan 2017

... towards those who were misled, those caught-up in the Trump "make America great again" schtick, those who wanted to believe he was someone they could trust, someone who was "on their side".

But at what point do we stop excusing ignorance, when we live in an age of easily-accessible facts? At what point do we stop excusing those whose willful ignorance has brought us to this point?

I am already tired of hearing from the "buyers remorse" contingent - and it's only just begun. There will be a lot more where they came from in the months to come.

But here's the thing: For those who say they "didn't know" about Trump's corruption, his misogyny, his racism, his bigotry, his obvious lies, his pussy-grabbing ways, the fact remains that if you were unaware of all of these things, you couldn't have followed his campaign at all - because if you had, you WOULD know; you couldn't possibly have missed it.

So if you weren't following his campaign, exactly WHAT were you voting for when you voted for a man who was SO unknown to you that you never heard what he actually SAID? On what were you basing your decision to put him in the most powerful position on the planet, if you never even bothered to listen to his words?




Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
13. Yep. I also hear a lot of "Oh he didn't really mean what he said..."
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 04:49 AM
Jan 2017

Then once he backs out of something they support, they suddenly see the light!
I've no sympathy at all, at this point...

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
14. And again, the question is ...
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 04:52 AM
Jan 2017

... if you didn't believe he meant what he said, on what basis did you vote for him?

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
15. Exactly.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 04:57 AM
Jan 2017

It's really hard to wrap my head around.
I know many of these people firmly believe he was no worse than Hillary would have been, so they just justify what he's said and done as "not as bad as HER."

Idiots.
I can handle voter apathy much easier than I can willful stupidity.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
16. It IS mind-boggling.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 05:12 AM
Jan 2017

People voting for a candidate because they didn't believe he meant what he said.

"Wilful stupidity" doesn't even begin to cover that kind of insanity.

Phoenix61

(16,984 posts)
23. I asked my friend the same question
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 12:18 PM
Jan 2017

It was all about the e-mails and Benghazi. She wasn't really sure what "Benghazi" meant, she just knew that Hillary had done something really bad. She expressed frustration that she hadn't known where to look for information that she could trust and at that time wasn't willing to listen to me. I would describe her as a prior bias, low-information, low tech voter. I'm frustrated with the "buyers remorse" contingent too. It would be a lot easier to hear from them if I wasn't stuck with their purchase. However, these are folks who could be helpful in 2018. People who are happy with a purchase tell one person, people who are unhappy tell ten. That's why restaurants are so quick to pay for an appetizer or a dessert if you complain. I don't see this administration buying anybody anything.

femmedem

(8,194 posts)
20. Thank you. This is how we win Trump voters back in 2018.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 07:27 AM
Jan 2017

Keeping the dialogue open, educating them without gloating or shaming. And I'm glad you have your friend back.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
24. That's what the 'BR' in 'Brexit' stands for.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 12:25 PM
Jan 2017

The same winds of dissatisfaction are blowing here as well as in Europe. In both cases, they have resulted in bad choices.
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