Washington Post: tRump calls his replacement for Obamacare "insurance for everybody!"

[MoonRiver]

Uh, without specifics, it sounds like the Canadian plan. If that's his plan the Repukes will definitely get rid of his ass.

In an interview with The Post, the president-elect declared that his plan for replacing the health-care law is all but finished. While he declined to reveal specifics, Donald Trump said he would force drug companies to negotiate directly with the government on prices for Medicare and Medicaid, and warned Republicans about slowing his agenda.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

[BainsBane]

1. Wouldn't it be ironic

If he ended up proposing single payer?

[MoonRiver]

2. I would literally be unbelievable!

If he does that, I would have a little bit of hope about the SC, but am definitely not holding my breath. The Repukes have enough dirt to impeach him 50 times, and they will let him know that in no uncertain terms. Then he'd have Russia and Congress blackmailing him.

[Cattledog]

9. He told WSJ no single payer.

[BainsBane]

12. I know he won't propose it

but then i don't have confidence he even knows what single payer is.

[still_one]

3. It is what his HHS secretary and Ryan have pushed, privatization with vouchers. They can go to hell

They want this to apply to Medicare and Medicaid also


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1666994

[MoonRiver]

4. Yeah, that probably is what he means.

The term "insurance for all" is just a trojan horse.

[still_one]

8. If they were really sincere they would do Medicare for all. This is their way to privatize

everything, including Medicare and Medicaid

As Peter Paul and Mary said in one of their songs, "the rich will live and the poor will die"

[MoonRiver]

13. A lot of this is about linguistics.

Romneycare = fine
Obamacare = bad, bad, bad

[still_one]

17. This isn't logistics. This is their plan to privitize everything, and issues voucher

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1666994

The media is well aware of what Tom Price, trumps HHS, and Paul Ryan want, but they are playing coy.

[Hoyt]

26. Well, over 30% of Medicare beneficiaries have voluntarily choosen that exact system. They don't

actually get a voucher because the government pays the Advantage Plan directly.

[Tanuki]

30. No. Medicare Advantage programs are NOT the same or similar as the

proposed voucher system! Medicare Advantage programs, though administered through private insurance companies, are required to provide the same set of "defined benefits" as traditional Medicare. The proposed system would be a mess of confusing and competing plans with a variety of co-pays, deductibles, participating and non-participating hospitals and doctors, etc. As with the current ACA, there would be different levels of coverage available, comparable to ACA bronze, silver, and gold, so if you aren't wealthy you might get stuck with the crappiest one out there, even with your "voucher". If traditional Medicare goes down, the voucher system will be nothing like today's Medicare Advantage. And it will be a nightmare for frail elders, especially those who may be having cognitive or sensory impairments, to keep up with it all

[Hoyt]

33. Not a lot of difference if government writes the rules, which they will.

[Tanuki]

34. The "government" that wrote the Medicare rules was Lyndon Johnson's

Great Society, the same government that passed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. The incoming "government" will do its damnedest to undo every bit of it, including Medicare as you know it. Please, Hoyt, do not be complacent about this bait and switch. I work in healthcare and I assure you that the proposed voucher system will be a nightmare, will be vastly inferior, and will result in hopeless debt for many at the most vulnerable time of life. It doesn't have to be that way, but we have to fight like hell.

[Hoyt]

38. Nope, the Advantage plans weren't approved until late 1990s. I'm not complacent, but I'm not going

to trash a plan before seeing it, other than to say I'd have to see it to believe it. Further, while I despise george war bush, he did sign the Medicare drug plan. Before, pills weren't covered and the elderly went without or cut pills in half/thirds. Yeah, it had some issues, but it was far superior to the old rules. That's first hand experience from someone who paid for my mom's drugs for a lot of years.

[Tanuki]

43. I am well aware that the Advantage plans are relatively new, but my point is that they are

required by law to provide the same set of defined benefits as traditional Medicare, and that the Medicare Advantage plans are not the same as the proposed voucher system. I am not asking you to trash something without seeing it, but please don't assume, and assure others that the voucher system is essentially the same as Medicare Advantage without seeing it. As for the drug coverage, medications were nowhere near as costly in the 1960's when Medicare was first enacted, and modification of the program to cover meds was long overdue by the time it was enacted. I am all for complete coverage, but there should have been more pressure on the pharmaceutical companies for fair pricing. As it is, they have reaped windfall profits and taken more than their fair share.

[Hoyt]

44. Any new Medicare plan will likely require the same thing.

Christ, I really hate defending Trump, but he has said several times that not negotiating drug prices is just wrong. We'll see.

By the way, Advantage Plans can, and do, negotiate drug prices. It will work better with all Medicare negotiating but Advantage plans do. If we expect drug price negotiations to work, we are going to have to be prepared to say "NO" to some drugs.

[still_one]

32. That is their choice, and most of them are doing that because of cost of premiums, not because it

is necessarily better, and the Advantage plans may restrict when and how you get care. Also, there are yearly out of pocket spending limits that can end up costing more than people realize.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/010816/pitfalls-medicare-advantage-plans.asp

[Hoyt]

35. Advantage plans definitely have networks and they cap your out of pocket costs, which traditional

Medicare does not. They are often cheaper than traditional Medicare, a drug plan and a supplemental, often a lot cheaper.

Have you ever been in an Advantage Plan? I have, and I liked it. The fact 30+% of beneficiaries choose it, tells me something.

It was a non-profit Kaiser plans, and I was fine with not having free choice of any doctor I wanted, which is uncoordinated care. Uncoordinated care is probably one of the worst aspects of our current health care system, and traditional Medicare perpetuates it.

[still_one]

37. Nope. I prefer to deal with the goverenment rather than insurance companies, but that is

my choice

By the way, some of those out of pocket costs can be quite high, even with the caps. People need to read the details carefully.

From my experience, my folks did NOT have an Advantage plan, and when they got really sick, that is where Medicare came through, along with their supplemental

[Hoyt]

39. Well, you do know that insurance companies process your claims, answer your Medicare questions,

enroll doctors, review your claims for quality, etc. The government contracts with a bunch of insurance companies to administer Medicare.

[still_one]

40. Yes, I am aware of that, but my personal experience with my folks when they were severely

ill, the coverage and care they received under Medicare with a supplemental was extraordinary.

As far as I am concerned, the policies mean very little when you are well, it is when you are sick, that is where it counts, and choice can be the difference between life and death

As I said before, it is a choice

We all make decisions based on our experience.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/11/29/503720671/5-things-to-know-about-rep-tom-prices-health-care-ideas

[Hoyt]

41. All I'm pointing out is that we've had so-called "privatization" of Medicare for years, and people

love their Medicare.

[still_one]

42. I know. We have had similar discussions on this before, and we don't see quite eye to eye

on it, but that's cool. I have no doubt we agree on more things regarding Medicare than not

[Hoyt]

46. Believe me, I don't want Medicare hurt. Right now, I have insurance through employer with Medicare

secondary. When I finally tell the employer I'm done, I'll be depending on Medicare completely. The cost of a supplement or Advantage plan is not insignificant nowadays and I would not want it to increase even more because Medicare is somehow compromised.

Take care.

[still_one]

47. We are on the same page Hoyt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. LMFAO. He isn't going to propose single payer.

[Docreed2003]

6. As others have said, I bet it's more like vouchers for all

[still_one]

10. and the problem is the media knows this because both Tom Price his HHS nominee, and Paul Ryan have

said this bullshit for a long time

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1666994

[Docreed2003]

16. Exactly...

Their plan will be a combo of vouchers and "Health Savings Accounts" and have little to no impact on the actual problem of un/underinsured healthcare. Millions of people will be left stranded with nothing but medical bills they'll never be able pay.

[MoonRiver]

18. Undoubtedly true.

Rump knows who his daddy is.

[still_one]

19. and health care WILL BE RATIONED. The best health care to those that have the means

These are truly evil people.

We need to write our Congress People, telling them we want Medicare for all. We do NOT want a voucher system, or these "Health Savings Accounts", which would only apply to those who can afford an IRA, and then many couldn't contribute to their IRA if contributed to the HSA

I really hate these people, and I hate the media for not exposing exactly what Tom Price, trump's HHS, and Paul Ryan have proposed, so people know exactly what is be handed them.

If the media doesn't do it, the Democrats MUST expose it

[Docreed2003]

20. We have to create as much furor as the right did about faux "death panels"

Except these are very real death panels...

[still_one]

22. I agree creed

[Docreed2003]

23. It's doc....reed...lol! Dont worry, it's a common mistake!

[still_one]

24. Sorry, thanks for letting me know Doc

[Docreed2003]

25. No worries!!

[NightWatcher]

7. He's running up binders full of impeachable offenses. Ryan will get him to do what he wants

trump will be impeached the day he pisses off the repuke power structure in congress.

The Russians own his ass.
The repuke congress own his ass.

[mucifer]

11. Even if he truly wants single payer (which he doesn't) congress doesn't want it so this is crap.

[still_one]

14. People need to call and write their Congress person. We need Medicare for all, not a wolf in sheep'

clothing, which is a voucher system with privatization

[mindem]

15. Insurance for everybody.

All of the sudden the pukes will fall in love with mandatory insurance, then privatize health care and force health savings accounts on everyone.

[RDANGELO]

21. His problem will be that he has a Republican congress.

Even with a voucher program it would take a lot of money, and they wont raise the taxes to pay for it. He never motioned this when he was running.

[Tanuki]

27. He also said he would put his assets in a blind trust and release his taxes.

He lies.

[Ruby the Liberal]

28. If you replace "insurance" with "coupons" then it all lines up

[Historic NY]

29. "Insurance for All', all that can pay for it.

insurance isn't free it costs money and usually its insurance company's that make that money.

[Jacob Boehme]

31. Shhhh, if you're real quiet, you can hear the moaning cries of the GOP...

....establishment slobbering in their Scotch about the loose cannon that they hadn't planned on.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

36. Insurance for everybody means insurance everyone can afford

AKA the ineffective junk policies with high deductibles and high co-pays.

[hatrack]

45. Yep, really good insurance for rich people, shitty insurance/vouchers for everyone else . . .

Great fucking plan, Tangeranus. Next?