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Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 06:59 PM Jan 2017

A truly magnificent, primordial creature.



Has to be at least 15 feet, maybe a little more. I've never seen one in the wild quite that large. There's a sense of intimidation mixed with wonder and awe whenever you see an alligator. A couple of weeks ago I was kayaking and saw one swim just about 40 feet ahead of me. The thing is, if you respect them and give them their space, they're not going to be interested in you.

Crocodilians are the closest thing we have to dinosaurs still around, and be honest: we all loved dinosaurs when we were kids. Seeing this makes me feel sort of young.
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A truly magnificent, primordial creature. (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2017 OP
I still love dinosaurs. johnp3907 Jan 2017 #1
My heart raced just a little faster, I'll admit. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2017 #2
My heart races just reading your account! johnp3907 Jan 2017 #3
thought you meant Trump cvoogt Jan 2017 #4
For a moment, I thought the same thing. Buns_of_Fire Jan 2017 #11
I'd never charactarize Trump as being magnificent. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2017 #17
I thought cvoogt Jan 2017 #32
When is his Cabinet confirmation hearing? pinboy3niner Jan 2017 #5
What a Croc.... Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #6
Thumb up! pinboy3niner Jan 2017 #7
If you are on land, they can sprint up to 40 MPH, chasing down any human and can turn on a dime. TheBlackAdder Jan 2017 #8
As the story goes, I only have to run faster than my pal Orrex Jan 2017 #13
If I were any of those people in the video, I wouldn't stay that close to him. nt raccoon Jan 2017 #15
That's at the Circle B Bar Reserve just south of Lakeland, Florida csziggy Jan 2017 #9
Glad you know your birds. The limpkin is the only Ilsa Jan 2017 #10
Yes, cormorants tend to fill the niche along most coasts csziggy Jan 2017 #16
Before kids, my husband and I Ilsa Jan 2017 #18
My husband really wants to visit Aransas Wildlife Refuge! csziggy Jan 2017 #20
We went to the space center a couple of summers ago, but Ilsa Jan 2017 #24
People don't realize how absolutely incredible Florida's wild areas are. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2017 #25
Yes - and that is where I go instead of the beaches or theme parks csziggy Jan 2017 #26
Wow. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #12
Why did the gator cross the road? Orrex Jan 2017 #14
I'm making my grandson a dinosaur pillow case! MoonRiver Jan 2017 #19
He's fabulous. I used to canoe in the bayous and they never worried me. nolabear Jan 2017 #21
I just hope the virility of the video doesn't put him in danger. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2017 #22
I know. nolabear Jan 2017 #23
The photos were taken in a county reserve - Circle B Bar - see my post above csziggy Jan 2017 #27
If I ever saw one of those things PlanetBev Jan 2017 #28
It's so seldom one gets to see one that's large enough to have a dewlap. GoCubsGo Jan 2017 #29
He has to be longer than 12 feet long, IMHO. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2017 #31
Birds are also 2naSalit Jan 2017 #30
Brings to mind this: Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2017 #33

johnp3907

(3,731 posts)
1. I still love dinosaurs.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 07:07 PM
Jan 2017

But alligators scare me to death. "I was kayaking and saw one swim just about 40 feet ahead of me." If that were me I imagine some sort of classic cartoon scenario playing out where I jump straight from the kayak into an open grave and then pull the dirt and tombstone over myself.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
2. My heart raced just a little faster, I'll admit.
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 07:11 PM
Jan 2017

Especially since I was in an inflatable kayak and I'm assuming that it would fare pretty poorly against the alligator's jaws if ever tested.

But he had no interest in me. He was about 7-8 feet--a decent size--but was ambling along. He headed left, I yielded the way and moved to the right. He then ducked his head under the water and that was that.

I will admit after passing him, I did a couple of double checks behind me just to make sure he didn't reappear and was tailing me.

johnp3907

(3,731 posts)
3. My heart races just reading your account!
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 07:16 PM
Jan 2017

Where I kayak there's nothing like gators. Even the snakes I see on the bike trails are usually just northern watersnakes.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,175 posts)
11. For a moment, I thought the same thing.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:25 AM
Jan 2017
The T-Rump was a cousin of the T-Rex, with many of the same physical characteristics (big mouth, little paws), but is generally considered the dumbest of the dinosaurs...

But then I saw the word "magnificent," and knew it had to be about something else.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
9. That's at the Circle B Bar Reserve just south of Lakeland, Florida
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 05:24 AM
Jan 2017

I've been there several times. It's a wonderful place to watch birds. Last visit we took a guided tram ride and saw bald eagles, limpkins and had to stop for a pair of sandhill cranes who were displaying on the road.

Named after a cattle ranch that once existed on this property, Circle B Bar Reserve was jointly acquired by the Polk County Environmental Lands Program and the District to protect the floodplain of the lake and to restore the Banana Creek marsh system. The property is maintained by Polk County. Much of the property had previously been converted to pasture, but in 2005 and 2006, restoration projects were completed to restore much of the original hydrologic function of the lands. As a result of the marsh system restoration project, Circle B is now home to some of the most impressive bird activity on District property. The tremendous bird population includes a variety of wading birds, waterfowl, ospreys and bald eagles. Alligators inhabit Lake Hancock and may be observed at a distance from shore or from a pier. Oak hammock, freshwater marsh, hardwood swamp and the lakeshore are among the unique characteristics of this property.
https://www.swfwmd.state.fl.us/recreation/areas/circlebbarreserve.html


A few years ago when we were hiking through, a big gator - no where near as large as the one in the video - was sunning along a path. Some Japanese tourists were getting close to take photos with it. I was kind of freaking out and tried to warn them to not get too close but they didn't understand English and didn't understand me.

Here are some shots from our last visit:

Limpkin


Sandhill crane


Pair of sandhill cranes


Anhinga


Cormorant (note the hooked bill)

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
10. Glad you know your birds. The limpkin is the only
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 06:15 AM
Jan 2017

One I was unfamiliar with, although I didn't see very many anhingas when I lived in the coast.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
16. Yes, cormorants tend to fill the niche along most coasts
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 10:52 AM
Jan 2017

But in most of Florida cormorant and anhinga territories overlap. The pictures I posted of the two species are good for noting the main difference between them - the cormorant's hooked bill and the anhinga's straight one.

Up here where I am northeast of Tallahassee we seldom see the cormorants - while we have the lakes, the hilly land tends to discourage them from flying in from the coast.

As for knowing my birds - I started bird watching with a great aunt when I was a kid. My husband's parents helped start the Audubon group in Panama City, Florida and his great grandfather was a world recognized bird watcher and photographer. So most of our vacations involve some sort of bird watching.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
18. Before kids, my husband and I
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:08 AM
Jan 2017

Trekked all over the Texas coast. It a great migratory path. There were birds we saw once, and only once, in twenty years. Other beautiful, colorful species were sighted between the Nueces River and the Rio Grande. Of course with the Aransas Wildlife Refuge nearby, we could visit the whooping cranes. We used to keep a bird list, but it's gotten lost since the kids came along.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
20. My husband really wants to visit Aransas Wildlife Refuge!
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:16 AM
Jan 2017

A high school friend of mine was married to one of the park rangers there - but they've moved away now.

If you're in Florida go to Merritt Island Wildlife Refuge just north of the Kennedy Space Center. This time of year it has some of the best bird watching in Florida. We spent most of a week going there every day and took about 1500 photos during the trip. Lots of roseate spoonbills, duck, night herons, and of course all the common birds. If your kids are still young, you can take them to the Space Center which is pretty cool. And of course there are always the theme parks in Orlando.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
24. We went to the space center a couple of summers ago, but
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:29 AM
Jan 2017

Didn't think about Merritt Island until we were leaving. I think hubby wants to go back just for that. We really enjoyed seeing the shuttle and doing all of that, even though it was spur of the moment. We went to one of the big Orlando theme parks the next day.

About Aransas NWR: go in late late fall for more comfort. South Tx stays hot until winter arrives, and spring is usually warm, but not hot. Be prepared for mosquitoes if it is a warm season. But yes, your list will grow substantially, and not just with shore birds. Vireos, warblers, hummingbirds, green jays, buntings, tanagers, etc.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
25. People don't realize how absolutely incredible Florida's wild areas are.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:32 AM
Jan 2017

They just think of Orlando and South Beach. If they're lucky, they might think of the Keys. Or they'll just write off the land as flat and uninteresting.

But Florida has some of the absolute best areas for viewing some of the most diverse wildlife you'll ever come across.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
26. Yes - and that is where I go instead of the beaches or theme parks
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:48 AM
Jan 2017

Growing up in Central Florida we'd go to the parks with facilities built during the Depression - Highlands Hammock was one of our favorites and it still looks very much like it did in the 1950s and 60s when my sisters and I would run around in the woods there.

I hate the theme parks and don't have a body built to be seen in a bathing suit on the beach so we don't go those places. We visit state and national parks - and even the county or municipal parks that some many communities have.

The Great Florida Birding Trail is a fantastic resource. While it concentrates on places to see birds, other wildlife is usually visible in the same locations.

nolabear

(41,960 posts)
21. He's fabulous. I used to canoe in the bayous and they never worried me.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:17 AM
Jan 2017

Frankly the gar scared the crap out of me. They'd lie just beneath the surface and you never knew they were there til they flipped and dove.

But gators are beautiful in that old way, and surprisingly smart and relational. I hope they let that bad boy alone. With that throat flap I'll bet you can hear him for half a mile!

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
22. I just hope the virility of the video doesn't put him in danger.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:19 AM
Jan 2017

There are always those yahoos who see something like this and their first instinct is to want to kill it.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
27. The photos were taken in a county reserve - Circle B Bar - see my post above
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 11:54 AM
Jan 2017

Unless he gets out on Lake Hancock and comes ashore on some of the private land on the other parts of the lake, he will be safe. But I would bet that big boy knows exactly where he is safe and where he could be in danger. In the Reserve there are plenty of birds, fish and other wildlife for his meals and lots of area for him to hang out without being hurt so he doesn't have much reason to go where he might be hunted.

GoCubsGo

(32,083 posts)
29. It's so seldom one gets to see one that's large enough to have a dewlap.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 12:00 PM
Jan 2017

Very cool! This guy was probably born before the Endangered Species Act protected his species, so he's a true survivor!

I spent years working swamps, and have had my share of encounters with these critters. And, yep. Unless you get near a mama on her nest, they don't want anything to do with you. (The same goes for cottonmouths and other snakes, btw.) That being said, I never ran into a gator that big. I think I would have soiled myself, had I done so.

BTW, they're saying this guy was only 12 feet or so long. Regardless, he's damn intimidating! Would love to have seen him!

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
31. He has to be longer than 12 feet long, IMHO.
Tue Jan 17, 2017, 12:05 PM
Jan 2017

That path looks to be at least 8 feet wide, and by the time his body had cleared the path, there was still at least 6-7 feet of tail left.

Rule of thumb is that a good measurement for a gator is to measure between the eyes and the bulb of the snout, and convert from inches to feet.

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