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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPlace your bets: Comrade Trump will order his Atty General to re-arrest and charge Manning
on some .. er... 'trump'ed up charge. Just to say fuck you to Obama.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Harassment. Trump will be showing the world how much of a vindictive asshole he is, worse than previously believed.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Initech
(100,068 posts)If I were her, I'd be making a b-line for Canada and not thinking twice about looking back.
global1
(25,242 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,648 posts)Pres Obama only commuted her sentence. He didn't overturn the conviction.
Even so, I don't think it would be legal for the JD to 're-arrest' Manning.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)When a president or governor commutes a sentence, it's considered to have already been served. So, by the law, Chelsea already did her time, as of release.
Of course, Trump and Sessions might find some excuse to have Chelsea Manning charged with a new crime...
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)A presidential commutation or pardon is final. It can't be overturned by anyone. Manning cannot be retried, either, due to the prohibition on double jeopardy.
I Agree
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Plus, it was a military court. I don't know how that applies to the criminal system.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Double jeopardy is prohibited in that code, as well. She cannot be tried again for the same actions.
Azathoth
(4,608 posts)He could order Manning's sentence reinstated and there's not a damn thing anyone can do. Congress sure as hell won't censure or impeach him, and the natural recourse, SCOTUS, is currently powerless because of GOP obstruction.
underpants
(182,791 posts)If he ended up going after Peyton Manning
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)They can pardon or commute a Federal sentence. That is a constitutional power. Once done, it cannot be overturned. Presidents cannot send anyone to prison. That is reserved to the judiciary. Since double jeopardy would exist, no court would attempt to reverse a presidential pardon or commutation.
Azathoth
(4,608 posts)He was convicted in an Article 1 tribunal. That's Congress and POTUS, not the federal court system. Appeals are all in Article 1 courts as well, with the exception of SCOTUS, which I believe has final review authority. So no, there would be no review from the judicial branch (Manning's lawyers would try, of course). And besides, given how extreme the GOP is, there is absolutely nothing to prevent them from passing a law specifically authorizing Trump reinstating the sentence. Think the law is unconstitutional? Back to SCOTUS you go.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)DK504
(3,847 posts)Does the Traitor in chief even know who the hell Manning is?
Azathoth
(4,608 posts)I'm just saying he could do it. People really don't realize just how much power a President can wield if he simply doesn't care about legal principles and norms and traditions.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Trump will do so much damage that bush will look like an amature. The next president may not be able to fix the mess like president obama did no matter how much he tries. That's frightening.
no_hypocrisy
(46,094 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)The commutation will go through.
Generator
(7,770 posts)Trump's more concerned with Alec Baldwin. He's never heard of Manning. He knows jack shit unless it's about him.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)He can't be charged again
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
SteamAddict
(53 posts)And he will pardon Asange, who is being extradited to the USA.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)But there's a good chance Snowden gets extradited and imprisoned for life.
Freethinker65
(10,017 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)We have a man so far who is above the law and gets away with doing things to people and is about to become dictator. Do dictators follow the law? Do dictators abide by the same laws everybody else has to follow? I see his laws and our laws different as in no laws for him. He has the main body of government on his side and they will do what he tells them to do.