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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsfor all the hype about impeachment, it's historically unlikely.
there have been only three significant presidents in impeachment history.
andrew johnson and bill clinton were impeached by the house, though neither was removed by the senate.
and richard nixon, of course, resigned rather than go through that ordeal.
in all three cases, each president faced a congress with both houses controlled by the opposition party.
impeachment is not a judicial act taken on by impartial jurists. it is fundamentally a political act taken on by political animals. and it's a hell of a lot easier to take such a drastic political step against a member of a different party than against the leader of your own party.
impeachment and removal would require active participation by a good number of republicans, who risk alienating a large number of their own voters. this is a tall order for republicans in congress.
yes, it is true that if donnie is impeached, we end up with pence as president. in terms of power, the republicans in congress are probably fine with this, but their voters are not at all likely to see it that way, at least not at this point.
therefore, in order to get republicans in congress to go along with impeachment, there need to be a very significant wedge driven between donnie and republican voters.
it has to be bad enough that republican voters will thanks their congressmen for impeaching donnie. this is not going to be achieved by mere election shenanigans, dirty tricks, or even criminal acts committed in the name of getting a republican elected. that stuff doesn't bother republican voters in the least.
nor do they care about emoluments or talking to russia or misogyny or racism.
what they do care about is the big business and the super-rich. if donnie pisses them off and ceo's start saying we need to dump trump, that'll shift the dialog in a way that could turn republican voters against donnie.
his protectionist bent seems most likely to cause this. if donnie is successful in getting protectionist measure through and other countries retaliate, that could seriously hurt international trade and piss big companies and rich people off bigly.
short of that, it's hard for me to see republican voters turning on him.
problem is, most protectionist measures require congress to pass legislation to enact such things, and it's then hard for republicans who voted for the protectionist measures that caused the problems to then impeach donnie for something they agreed to.
i'm all for impeachment and removal of this scumbag, but frankly, i don't see it happening.
maybe, maybe, we can win bigly in 2018, but i'm not holding my breath. but, if we can get democratic majorities, at least in the house, then impeachment becomes much more likely.
until then, i really don't see it happening.
Jacob Boehme
(789 posts)There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
(Hamlet, Act 1 Scene 5)
Never before has there been such a great candidate for impeachment....He wil be lucky to last 6 months.
unblock
(52,219 posts)But look at who has to pass judgment.
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Have him at 4 to 1 to last 6 months.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)There will be a breaking point if it hasn't already happened.
unblock
(52,219 posts)JHan
(10,173 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)unblock
(52,219 posts)Impeachment by the same party as the president? Never.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)to tell the walking brain dead that he is dangerous, that his actions could endanger the economy, possibly war, possibly bring on lone wolf attacks by ISIS in the US. Even if none of these are true, all the repubs have to do is get their propaganda machine to tell them he's a danger while building up the honor and integrity of Pence and trump zombies will fall in line.
If he becomes a liability, they will remove him. There is no loyalty or love for him in the repub congress/senate.
unblock
(52,219 posts)The question is, how does that happen?
We democrats loathe him, but republican voters have stuck with him so far... so what does him in with them?
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)His voters will never turn on him. Unless they are told to. They never turned on GWB until Rush Limbaugh and Fox news did and told them to.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)If you do not count to whispers about JFK being punished by the CIA. That is remarkable.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)WH Harrison, Taylor, Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Harding, FD Roosevelt and Kennedy, right?
I count 8 of 45.
unblock
(52,219 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)He will order Congress around like they are servants. He will insult and demean Republicans who don't do his bidding. He will screw up and blame them or his cabinet. Congress will pass laws that he immediately violates. He will say one thing and do another. In short, he will perform "misdemeanors" in the original sense of the word, which simply meant misbehaviors. And for that, they might well impeach him.
unblock
(52,219 posts)They will dump him if he screws them, sure. But I don't see that happening.
He's crazy, but in a power-gathering manipulative way. He's not likely to undermine himself.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)That the Justice Dept. can start impeachment proceedings too.
I also read the majority of his party members want Pence over him so not so unlikely if he commits a heinous act. And how likely is that given who we're talking about?
unblock
(52,219 posts)But it doesn't mean much until the house takes it up.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)UTUSN
(70,691 posts)D_Master81
(1,822 posts)I dont think it is possible short of pictures emerging of him selling state secrets to Putin while taking a dump on the constitution. Even then...probably a toss up
unblock
(52,219 posts)But I'm close. It will take a lot more than the things that outrage democrats to get republicans to impeach one of their own.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)or Pootie comes here.
Generator
(7,770 posts)Leave or we tell them blank or we do blank or the CIA does blank or we take your money or... it doesn't have to be impeachment. It's called resigning and he makes up whatever he wants to say because who cares all he does is lie anyway and he's a sociopath.
Leave or go to jail. I'd bet he'd leave.
there are indeed other ways for powerful people to remove presidents.
still, it seems unlikely.
problem is, there's too much common ground between donnie and congress.
really, other than protectionism, they don't disagree on much in terms of policy.
what congress really worries about is being drawn down with him if he self-destructs.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)mn9driver
(4,425 posts)they will impeach. They probably have the articles of impeachment sitting in Ryan's desk drawer right now.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)I am a history geek.
Heads of state have been disposed of, forced to resign and deposed.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...we don't just decide it's impossible and deflate.
We shoot for the moon. No matter where we land, it will be miles away from pessimism.
unblock
(52,219 posts)As democrats we have to oppose with full force on all fronts. By all means, we should call for resignation, impeachment, etc.
What we shouldn't do is put all our faith in the statesmanship of congressional republicans.
KT2000
(20,577 posts)Koch brothers have given a lot of money to the R legislators. Dump is pursuing their agenda through the Heritage Foundation. Most everything he has already done is courtesy of the brothers. The brothers do not like Dump but Pence is their man.
When they have had enough of Dump they will give the green light (donations and other leverage) to the legislators and it will be on. The R's will then look like they have values by standing up to Dump and it will be Pence.
That is my prediction.
onenote
(42,700 posts)They're not turning on him and facing primaries from Trump's supporters.
Thinking he's going to be impeached is the same kind of wishful thinking expressed by some here who asserted that he was going to drop out of the race before the repub convention, or during the convention, or shortly after the convention, or after the first debate, second debate, third debate, before election day, after election day and on and on and on.
Wishful thinking. Not rational thinking.
KT2000
(20,577 posts)charlyvi
(6,537 posts)They will impeach him in a New York minute, taking credit for punishing "one of their own". Of course, the fact that he isn't one of their own, that he was a Dem until Obama was elected, that they would much rather have Pence as President, won't occur to the rabid base.
forgotmylogin
(7,528 posts)Trump is running so much offensive distraction for them. They thought they were going to shut down the ethics committee, but instead they learned where the electric fence is. They're going to defund a bunch of philanthropical stuff that means a lot to us (NEA, CPB) but isn't a matter of national security.
If Trump goes along, so be it. If he gets out of hand they will immediately "do the right thing" look lawful and valiant by turning on him and impeaching him. After that, they will dust their palms and carry on righteously with Pence who is crazy but one of them, and knows how to politician. Trump is a meat-shield for the Republicans, as much as he thinks he is riding high in charge. All they gotta do is the secret hand signal and he's out and they will make political hay for policing themselves.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)At this point, though, nothing would surprise me. As someone else said, the likes of Limbaugh can convince Trump supporters that Trump needed to go. But it is a risky proposition.
All I can do is hope something egregious comes out and it causes a huge headache for the Republican Party.