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The wheels are off the klown kar (Original Post) MrScorpio Jan 2017 OP
Is it intentional or are they such inept amateurs The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #1
Bannon has been quoted that it is his goal... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #5
Yep he wants the Deep State shredded, so that what they do Volaris Jan 2017 #48
I think that they're trying to destroy the function of government MrScorpio Jan 2017 #6
Congress, controlled by GOPers, won't do squat. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #9
Agreed nt MrScorpio Jan 2017 #10
Considering Bannon, I think it is intentional. Tatiana Jan 2017 #7
Putin is getting what he paid for,,,, pangaia Jan 2017 #28
I think it's also arogance GP6971 Jan 2017 #8
Either way, we are the ones getting it in the neck Doitnow Jan 2017 #34
DURec leftstreet Jan 2017 #2
And God willing, we won't see anything like it again Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #3
you don't see bdamomma Jan 2017 #4
I've seen JFK, MLK, Jr., & RFK blown away, and Watergate... VOX Jan 2017 #11
" " " " " MBS Jan 2017 #13
Absolutely! And the lines are crisply drawn. n/t VOX Jan 2017 #22
It sure is! ananda Jan 2017 #23
Yes!!! n/t MBS Jan 2017 #31
I think corporations will step in too Generic Brad Jan 2017 #43
Strong statement Lucky Luciano Jan 2017 #39
All within one week LeftInTX Jan 2017 #19
Spread out over a year would be crazy, but, as you say, one week. VOX Jan 2017 #21
Same with me, it's almost impossible to comprehend. Rhiannon12866 Jan 2017 #24
+1 nt iluvtennis Jan 2017 #40
Those are Putin's orders.... Destroy America and its institutions from the inside. world wide wally Jan 2017 #12
+1 dalton99a Jan 2017 #14
That's okay Trump has a strong back Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2017 #15
This thread shows a remarkable amount of strategic awareness GliderGuider Jan 2017 #16
I know right?! AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #36
K&R for exposure meow2u3 Jan 2017 #17
They're a virus, plain and simple. And right now we have no immune system. Initech Jan 2017 #18
correct AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #33
k and R yuiyoshida Jan 2017 #20
McConnell isn't one to step on the party line... he is the party Line. flying_wahini Jan 2017 #25
Paul Ryan and McConnell don't care.. coco22 Jan 2017 #41
I've seen it before but from afar, and it was in a banana republic. . . BigDemVoter Jan 2017 #26
reality AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #27
Intentional...and planned for a long time BANNON is genuine EVIL. Guilded Lilly Jan 2017 #29
When he's drunk enough, Bannon admits exactly this. mn9driver Jan 2017 #30
Never forget Hekate Jan 2017 #35
Exactly. silverweb Jan 2017 #44
it sure AF appears that way etherealtruth Jan 2017 #32
The institutional Republicans are sabotaging Bannon grantcart Jan 2017 #37
The wheels have officially come off the Executive Branch CLOWN CAR... TrollBuster9090 Jan 2017 #38
They have taken the entire manual Perseus Jan 2017 #42
Trump is doing his master's bidding (Putin) keithbvadu2 Jan 2017 #45
I know the media is bigly tom_kelly Jan 2017 #46
Christofascists have been drooling for this moment for a long time. nt Rex Jan 2017 #47

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
1. Is it intentional or are they such inept amateurs
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:02 PM
Jan 2017

that they do weapons-grade-stupid shit without understanding how monumentally stupid it is?

Wounded Bear

(58,648 posts)
5. Bannon has been quoted that it is his goal...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:04 PM
Jan 2017

most Repubs use the rhetoric, and have no idea what it would really mean, of course.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
6. I think that they're trying to destroy the function of government
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:04 PM
Jan 2017

Congress and the courts need to act ASAP.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
9. Congress, controlled by GOPers, won't do squat.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:08 PM
Jan 2017

I believe the courts - even the Supreme Court as currently staffed - will. Judges, especially in the federal system, are pretty protective of their role as a coequal branch of government, and they actually take the Constitution seriously. Even a dickbag like Scalia wouldn't have put up with this kind of shit.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
7. Considering Bannon, I think it is intentional.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:06 PM
Jan 2017

They know the EO is illegal. That's why they didn't want to send it to the relevant departments for the customary review.

They are also defying at least 4 court rulings -- intentionally -- by continuing to detain people who have green cards or permanent resident status.

It's on purpose. They want chaos. They want a sense of crisis.

They want us to look the other way while they continue to plan whatever the big thing is they are planning.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
3. And God willing, we won't see anything like it again
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:03 PM
Jan 2017

Just need to get the clowns out of the car and the wheels put back on.

bdamomma

(63,840 posts)
4. you don't see
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:03 PM
Jan 2017

that McConnell saying shit. Oh let the courts decide????? about the Muslim ban??? karma will get you.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
11. I've seen JFK, MLK, Jr., & RFK blown away, and Watergate...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:12 PM
Jan 2017

And other horrible aspects of American psychosis, but this is a new one. A far-right-wing coup with help from Russia??? WTF?? Religious "tests"? Mass deportations??? Is this the United States??

The perps are the same people who screamed daily bullshit about Obama "born in Kenya" and "trampling on the Constitution." Now they are *in fact* vaporizing it, blowing it into mere mist.

If I were younger, I'd get the hell out, because it'll take decades to unfuck this Category 5 shitstorm. And it's just started.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
13. " " " " "
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:45 PM
Jan 2017

This is QUALITATIVELY worse than anything else that has happened since the Civil War.

ananda

(28,858 posts)
23. It sure is!
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:39 PM
Jan 2017

I'm impressed with the protests and demos, though.

It is clearly up to us, the people, to right the ship of state!

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
43. I think corporations will step in too
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:52 PM
Jan 2017

This is devastatingly bad for business. When you hit the richest mofo's in their pocketbooks - there is always hell to pay.

Lucky Luciano

(11,253 posts)
39. Strong statement
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:35 PM
Jan 2017

We did actually detain Japanese American citizens and had Jim Crow.

However, this has been the biggest step taken in the wrong direction after decades of progress.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
21. Spread out over a year would be crazy, but, as you say, one week.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:20 PM
Jan 2017

I still have trouble grasping the fact that such world-changing, mega-insanity, emanating from in this country, could be so utterly compacted in time. It's definitely new territory.

Rhiannon12866

(205,249 posts)
24. Same with me, it's almost impossible to comprehend.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:41 PM
Jan 2017

I haven't voted for the majority of presidents who "won," but I've never felt like this before, this terrible fear and anger.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
16. This thread shows a remarkable amount of strategic awareness
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:53 PM
Jan 2017

about the nature of what is happening. congrats to all.

This seems to be a mostly ideological war, and the destruction of American democracy and liberal values seem to be its goals. The reduction of American global hegemony is to be a side effect of meeting those goals.

The cancer of the Cold War has metastasized. This is the tumor. The prognosis is poor.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
36. I know right?!
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:17 PM
Jan 2017

It took two days and I am proud to see folks are finally see what we see. Question is when will mass media wake up and explain to the public what just happned?

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
33. correct
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:07 PM
Jan 2017

virus is a good example because there is no stop button to the mechanisms that got activated. It is on auto-pilot. Massive education campaign is needed on what is happening but I don't know how.

flying_wahini

(6,589 posts)
25. McConnell isn't one to step on the party line... he is the party Line.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:56 PM
Jan 2017


And Hell yeah, I think they know what Trump and Bannon are trying to do.... They think their going to walk into the

vacuum that Trump's impeachment will start and everything will be hunky dory. The Rep's are so shortsighted that

they think they can fix the mess in another week or two.....

I think Bannon and Trump purposefully picked the very people that can destroy the gov't from within!!

(with Putin's help)... and Pence is going to walk in and everthing will be just fine.

coco22

(1,258 posts)
41. Paul Ryan and McConnell don't care..
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:51 PM
Jan 2017

They are trying to kill as many Americans as they can without Trump,look at their policies.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
26. I've seen it before but from afar, and it was in a banana republic. . .
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 09:59 PM
Jan 2017

But that is what we have become!

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
27. reality
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:00 PM
Jan 2017

I'm glad to see that people at least on the DU are waking up to the unimaginable reality. I wish the media would wake - they arr basically destroying themselves. We lost the Cold War. Russia won. I expect massive ICE raids as soon as next week. I never thought the pace would be so fast. But I think it's because they know the time is running out.

Expect libel laws to open up very soon. Indendent media which publishes the truth (meaning against trump) will be sued on the basis of undermining national security. Even more so, he will punish corporations that advetise on the media - basically cutting the money. Independent media will rely on us (as Bannon said - opposition).

Remember, Conway said "he is just getting started".

He is already a de facto authoritarian. He can disobey constitution and any laws, period. He cannot be removed unless impeached or killed. And nuclear codes will keep the world on edge.

The military must obey him as commander-in-chief.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
29. Intentional...and planned for a long time BANNON is genuine EVIL.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:02 PM
Jan 2017

First, the Democrats destroyed, then the Republicans.

mn9driver

(4,425 posts)
30. When he's drunk enough, Bannon admits exactly this.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:04 PM
Jan 2017
"...we had a long talk about his approach to politics. He never called himself a “populist” or an “American nationalist,” as so many think of him today. “I’m a Leninist,” Bannon proudly proclaimed.
Shocked, I asked him what he meant.
“Lenin,” he answered, “wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.”
...
I emailed Bannon last week recalling our conversation, telling him that I planned to write about it and asking him if he wanted to comment on or correct my account of it. He responded:
“I don’t remember meeting you and don’t remember the conversation. And as u can tell from the past few days I am not doing media.”
...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/22/steve-bannon-trump-s-top-guy-told-me-he-was-a-leninist.html

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
37. The institutional Republicans are sabotaging Bannon
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:21 PM
Jan 2017

Rather than insisting that DHS and State are included in policy preparation they are letting it slide knowing that it will eventually blow up.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
38. The wheels have officially come off the Executive Branch CLOWN CAR...
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:22 PM
Jan 2017

But they won't be coming off the SENATE CLOWN CAR until they try to repeal Obamacare, and they won't come off the HOUSE CLOWN CAR until they A) try to find the money to build the wall, B) face having to raise the DEBT CEILING In March, and C) have to pass a BUDGET.

This is only the beginning of what's shaping up to be one SPECTACULAR clusterf@#k!


 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
42. They have taken the entire manual
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 10:51 PM
Jan 2017

that Hugo Chavez used in Venezuela, you should read the article in Vogue, these are Venezuelans telling the story, they feel Deja Vu with Trump.

http://www.vogue.com/13525611/trump-chavez-similarities/

I said the same thing to my friends before they voted for Trump, they would not believe it, but the article hits the nail on the head.

And I hate to say it, but marches do not work. This is what I wrote a while back on my predictions for this administration, it is a full article which I have not sent anywhere yet...this is just a paragraph and it is based on what i know from Venezuela, how chaos evolved there.

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People will conduct protest marches, some of them will include violence which will be instigated and approved by the government (you saw Trump rallies where he encouraged violence against opponents), and unfortunately there will be blood. Dictatorships condone this type of violence to create fear, to put the brakes on people who may want to conduct civil protests. They will go hard against the media, which they have already started (CNN fake news?), they don’t want any of this to be reported, they will try to manipulate the news the same way they have done through Fox News all these years.
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And be very aware and concerned if the military starts joining the administration, if Trump suddenly starts promoting people within the military, that should be a warning sign. Dictators need the military, and once they own it it is very difficult to reverse the damage.

tom_kelly

(958 posts)
46. I know the media is bigly
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 11:04 PM
Jan 2017

responsible for Trump's presidency. But the Fox News itself takes the most credit for daily force-feedings of the RW BS that normalizes this BS in the heads of their zombie viewers. I haven't seen anything reported or talked about on how the Fox News is reporting, or normalizing, the Trump "precedentcy." If I turned it on I'm afraid of how I may react

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