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(5,519 posts)
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 05:02 AM Jan 2017

Despite court order, Lawyers not allowed to see detainees at DULLES AIRPORT


The US Customs and Border Protection Agency at Dulles International Airport has refused to grant attorneys access to any detainees it may be holding, according to Sharifa Abbasi, who is coordinating the volunteer lawyer efforts underway there. Yesterday, a federal judge for the Eastern District of Virginia ordered respondents, who include CBP, President Trump, and the CBP Port Director for Dulles Wayne Biondi, to “permit lawyers access to all legal permanent residents being detained at Dulles International Airport.”
Abbasi says late Sunday morning a border agent told lawyers that agents have been instructed not to speak with them. About 15 lawyers have been directed to call Steve Sapp, an official with the CBP Office of Public Affairs, but have so far have not had their calls answered or returned. Washingtonian called the number, which directed reporters to a cellphone number whose voicemail was full.

This is accompanied by a photo of two officers with guns drawn standing in between two separated rows of protestors.
How the f has our country come to this in one week???
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Despite court order, Lawyers not allowed to see detainees at DULLES AIRPORT (Original Post) thecrow Jan 2017 OP
tRump, that's how. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #1
Who enforces this when they fail to comply? Ligyron Jan 2017 #2
Federal marshals* mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #3
Who controls the US Marshalls? NewJeffCT Jan 2017 #7
Fact Sheet U.S. Marshals Service 2016 mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #8
Thanks NewJeffCT Jan 2017 #12
I saw that. So, though, are the higher up members of the Judiciary. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #13
American Taliban taking us back to the Dark Ages MasonDreams Jan 2017 #4
Magna Carta? mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #14
Almost Magna Carta MasonDreams Jan 2017 #19
Change flights Alpeduez21 Jan 2017 #5
This doesn't have anything to do with the airport FBaggins Jan 2017 #6
Not to mention.... mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #9
Considering????? Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #10
I bet you they are. TrekLuver Jan 2017 #15
Things that make for great spin don't necessarily make for workable court filings FBaggins Jan 2017 #17
k and r... Stuart G Jan 2017 #11
Can u say "Coup"??? nt Cryptoad Jan 2017 #16
Yes we can. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2017 #22
Sounds like the judge needs to issue some contempt warrants. nt cstanleytech Jan 2017 #18
Get the names of all of the CBP agents and file the warrants. If they don't comply, they r arrested iluvtennis Jan 2017 #21
Treating normal people like terrorists jeanmarc Jan 2017 #20
And CHILDREN KEPT 20 hours without food? raging moderate Jan 2017 #24
Trump & Co., Thuggery as Policy Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2017 #23


(57,944 posts)
3. Federal marshals*
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 07:20 AM
Jan 2017

Badges, guns. Think of George Wallace standing in the university building doorway.

U.S. Marshals Home Page

* Not "martials."


(57,944 posts)
8. Fact Sheet U.S. Marshals Service 2016
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:46 PM
Jan 2017
Fact Sheet U.S. Marshals Service 2016

The U.S. Marshals Service is the nation’s oldest and most versatile federal law enforcement agency.

Federal marshals have served the country since 1789, often in unseen but critical ways.

The Marshals Service occupies a uniquely central position in the federal justice system. It is the enforcement arm of the federal courts, involved in virtually every federal law enforcement initiative.

Presidentially appointed U.S. marshals direct the activities of 94 districts — one for each federal judicial district.

Approximately 3,752 deputy U.S. marshals and criminal investigators form the backbone of the agency.

The duties of the U.S. Marshals Service include protecting the federal judiciary, apprehending federal fugitives, managing and selling seized assets acquired by criminals through illegal activities, housing and transporting federal prisoners and operating the Witness Security Program.

The agency’s headquarters is just across the Potomac River from Washington, D.C.

United States Marshals Service

Common name
U.S. Marshals

Agency overview

September 24, 1789

Legal personality
Governmental: Government agency

Jurisdictional structure

Federal agency
United States

Constituting instrument
United States Code, Title 28, Chapter 37

General nature
Federal law enforcement
Civilian agency

Operational structure

Arlington County, Virginia, U.S.

Sworn members
94 U.S. Marshals, 3,953 Deputy U.S. Marshals and criminal investigators[2]

Agency executive
David Harlow, Deputy Director

Parent agency
Department of Justice

The United States Marshals Service (USMS) is a federal law enforcement agency within the U.S. Department of Justice (see 28 U.S.C. § 561). It is the oldest American federal law enforcement agency, which was created by the Judiciary Act of 1789. The Marshals Service is attached to the Judicial branch of government, and is the enforcement arm of the federal courts. It is the primary agency for fugitive operations, responsible for prisoner transport, the protection of officers of the court, and for the effective operation of the judiciary. The Marshals Service operates the Witness Protection Program, and serves federal level arrest warrants.


(57,944 posts)
13. I saw that. So, though, are the higher up members of the Judiciary.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:08 PM
Jan 2017

Who are still members of the Judicial branch.

Trump cannot fire them.

I wouldn't ever tell a U.S. Marshal that he can't tell me what to do. Bad idea, that.


(756 posts)
4. American Taliban taking us back to the Dark Ages
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 07:45 AM
Jan 2017

habeas corpus came to be law around 1300AD.
we're not gonna let you talk to a lawyer?
we seem to be coming apart at the seams
OMG WTF Next stop the twilight zone!


(57,944 posts)
14. Magna Carta?
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:10 PM
Jan 2017
The Magna Carta

"The democratic aspiration is no mere recent phase in human history . . . It was written in Magna Carta."
--Franklin Delano Roosevelt, 1941 Inaugural address


(756 posts)
19. Almost Magna Carta
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 06:52 PM
Jan 2017

Magna Carta was year 1215 I think and habeas corpus a welcome addition around 1300
I feel the need to brush up on the law and history just to be a good citizen at this point


(1,766 posts)
5. Change flights
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 08:23 AM
Jan 2017

I plan on boycotting Dulles airport in the future. National and BWI are basically in the same place. It is the Dulles Airport Authority which is in direct violation of the court order. The court order allows anyone who is 'extra vetted' to have a lawyer present. Dulles is refusing to allow lawyers to see their clients. Do Not Use Dulles Airport!! A women and her two American citizen children were detained for 20 hours w/o food. These people are being coerced (strong armed) to sign documents waving their rights. Airport authorities are going on planes before people depart and taking cell phones from the accused. Such anti-American actions cannot be tolerated.


(57,944 posts)
9. Not to mention....
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:50 PM
Jan 2017

If he thinks Dulles, National Airport, and BWI are all in the same place, good luck making a connecting flight between any two of those airports.

Also, Dulles and National are both operated by the same authority, the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority:

The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (MWAA) is an independent airport authority, created by the Commonwealth of Virginia, the State of Maryland, and the District of Columbia with the consent of the United States Congress to oversee management, operations, and capital development of the two major airports serving the capital: ... Washington National Airport and Washington Dulles International Airport.

Ms. Toad

(34,193 posts)
10. Considering?????
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 12:50 PM
Jan 2017
Lawyers at Dulles are currently considering motions to hold the government in contempt and to compel disclosure of any individuals who are being detained.

Make the damn motion, already.


(26,861 posts)
17. Things that make for great spin don't necessarily make for workable court filings
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 01:59 PM
Jan 2017

The article tries hard to leave us with the impression that they must be in violation of the court order, but I don't think that we know that to be the case at all.

Note that the order is that detainees with green cards must be accessible by these lawyers. If there aren't any such detainees at Dulles then they don't have to be given access to any other detainees.

IIRC, it was announced yesterday that the executive order does not apply to legal residents and that dozens had been let through.


(3,813 posts)
22. Yes we can.
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 11:23 PM
Jan 2017

Going down a very dangerous here.

Get ready to leave your comfort zones.

Get ready to fight, non-violent of coarse.


(1,685 posts)
20. Treating normal people like terrorists
Mon Jan 30, 2017, 06:58 PM
Jan 2017

I can see doing something like this if you have an extremely likely suspicion (for whatever reason) you have a terrorist.

But normal people treated like this? Why? Fuck these fascists.

raging moderate

(4,331 posts)
24. And CHILDREN KEPT 20 hours without food?
Tue Jan 31, 2017, 07:29 AM
Jan 2017

Excuse me? Who was the Nazi psychopath who could go and eat his/her own food and then come back to watch those children still going hungry?

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