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Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 08:20 AM Feb 2017

Laugh at them in their face. Call their bullshit.

Yesterday while getting my physical the nurse and I were going over the questionnaire. I chuckled at a few of them and she told me "I know. These are dumb. It's from Obamacare but don't worry, Trump is going to fix it."

I laughed in her face and asked her what exactly had she seen in the last month that would lead her to believe Trump was capable of fixing ANYTHING?

She told me it's not his fault, he inherited a huge mess.

I said, Oh really? Obama inherited two wars, the great Recession, and a stock market at 6000. He handled his business like a boss.

She was speechless and walked out.

Call them out DUers. No more taking the high road. Make them eat this shit sandwich they created.

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Laugh at them in their face. Call their bullshit. (Original Post) Drahthaardogs Feb 2017 OP
When possible it is the best thing to do Sherman A1 Feb 2017 #1
That's what I was thinking... Stellar Feb 2017 #20
When they bring up what Fox News said, just reply: "Oh, yeah, FAKE NEWS!" southerncrone Feb 2017 #84
When someone cites Pox News as a source The Wizard Feb 2017 #85
Those arguments can make you tired all over. Stellar Feb 2017 #93
That's why I like responding to his tweets with facts. Pretty soon, I believe that his supporters nikibatts Feb 2017 #82
Good for you. The nurse's political commentary was inappropriate to the situation and Tanuki Feb 2017 #2
+1 narnian60 Feb 2017 #31
Absolutely. Mr.Bill Feb 2017 #58
Hey that might be a good idea. Most doctors are Democrats Maraya1969 Feb 2017 #88
Confidence Rorey Feb 2017 #3
"she probably quit talking because she realized that she was out of line" BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #4
+1! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2017 #5
I'm fortunate BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #7
That's great to hear. BlueMTexpat Feb 2017 #9
That's likely also true Rorey Feb 2017 #6
I think people in general BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #10
Yep, had to run out to get more from Rush or Fox JDC Feb 2017 #8
I agree! And you don't even have to be rude as you've proven....just spit the facts back at them TrekLuver Feb 2017 #11
Not just call her out, complain to her boss about her unprofessionalism.nt msanthrope Feb 2017 #12
I did that in 2012 LittleGirl Feb 2017 #13
I've become aware that those in the real estate industry are very conservative No Vested Interest Feb 2017 #55
so far that's been our experience too. sad. eom LittleGirl Feb 2017 #60
Not always. One of the most stalwart members of our local Amnesty International chapter Tanuki Feb 2017 #63
Good to hear that. Perhaps you are in a mostly blue state or area, No Vested Interest Feb 2017 #64
I live in Nashville. Tanuki Feb 2017 #65
Wow. All the better for that real estate agent. nt No Vested Interest Feb 2017 #67
I wonder what they would think when reminded when the housing market collapsed? Maraya1969 Feb 2017 #89
What's really sad is that NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #14
pretty sure Repubs did the same 2016 budget crap? the budget has to be final march 2017 Sunlei Feb 2017 #22
Talk is tRump's budget boosts spending esp military, raises consumer taxes, drops rich taxes Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #34
are they going to pay for this by magic? NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #59
Yes. Magic. tRump's WH pressed govt economists to make up numbers to match a projected 3.2% growth. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #61
Actually the federal government is STILL operating under a CR BumRushDaShow Feb 2017 #46
Well, the Orange Shitstain has until Monday to destroy ISIS. That's what he promised. catbyte Feb 2017 #87
here you go NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #92
You need to let the Doc know HAB911 Feb 2017 #15
Treat them like the idiots they are and the King Idiot a minority voted for NightWatcher Feb 2017 #16
Good job. I hope you gave her Ilsa Feb 2017 #17
He campaigned on that. Ignorant people bought it. They believe Foxaganda and such Alice11111 Feb 2017 #86
+1,THIS IS EXACTLY THE STRATEGY TO TAKE WITH ISIS RECRUITS ... AND IT WORKS!!! uponit7771 Feb 2017 #18
Methinks the FBI uses this psychology. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2017 #30
+1, I think I heard it from Malcom Nance too... that guys good. Tear down their perspective of what uponit7771 Feb 2017 #32
I wasn't so fortunate DeeDeeNY Feb 2017 #19
Bite. dawg Feb 2017 #38
I do call them out when I can. They're just freaking parrots with no substantive information... George II Feb 2017 #21
what questions did you 'chuckle' at? I can't think of any medical questions AC ACT added to health Sunlei Feb 2017 #23
Me either. dawg Feb 2017 #40
Questions like "Do you need help getting dressed" Drahthaardogs Feb 2017 #42
But the questionnaire is standardized. Paka Feb 2017 #77
OMG, I fucking found it a little amusong Drahthaardogs Feb 2017 #79
Sorry! I didn't mean to offend you. Paka Feb 2017 #83
The OP laughed at the nurse saying "Trump with fix that" after complaining about Obamacare. Maraya1969 Feb 2017 #90
I needed a broken molar removed, late in the election. Mc Mike Feb 2017 #24
Now that is bravery - packman Feb 2017 #35
I was ready to vacate the chair, at the first sign of an 'error' occurring. nt. Mc Mike Feb 2017 #41
No cat supports Trump. So you're safe there. spooky3 Feb 2017 #54
But he promised them 18 lives instead of just 9! Beartracks Feb 2017 #69
You should call her back and ask her how she's enjoying her three day weekends. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2017 #72
The rate he's going, some will be enjoying a seven day weekend, whether they want it or not. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2017 #80
Agreed..I see all these "Thank You Jesus signs" INdemo Feb 2017 #25
Free Speech is Wonderful BBG Feb 2017 #26
But Get a Second Opinion BBG Feb 2017 #29
Truth still has plenty of value. Rxpcraig Feb 2017 #27
Thank you. classykaren Feb 2017 #39
I'm curious, in all of your official correspondence dealing with Affordable Care Act... Brother Buzz Feb 2017 #44
Professionals refer to it as ACA. Rxpcraig Feb 2017 #75
Cool Brother Buzz Feb 2017 #78
The GOP have put themselves in a corner. Rxpcraig Feb 2017 #94
Thanks. You are doing a public setvice.. whathehell Feb 2017 #51
Welcome to DU. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2017 #74
I shocked my sewing group into silence by mgardener Feb 2017 #28
Mentally ill people have access to guns regardless of that regulation. NutmegYankee Feb 2017 #47
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2017 #70
I am former Army Infantryman. Still look like it--short hair and all. kairos12 Feb 2017 #33
My best friend is sadly a repug. lark Feb 2017 #36
I agree. I am doing my part but trying to do it tactfully. lancelyons Feb 2017 #37
When you debate them, it validated that they HAVE a position. Drahthaardogs Feb 2017 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Pacifist Patriot Feb 2017 #50
Don't forget.. cannabis_flower Feb 2017 #45
Probably didn't change her view, but... ThoughtCriminal Feb 2017 #48
That still doesn't faze them... czarjak Feb 2017 #49
Been doing that for decades now, it drives them crazy. Rex Feb 2017 #52
Dropped my Internist (primary care provider) 5 years ago Fritz Walter Feb 2017 #53
always.... dhill926 Feb 2017 #56
That was highly unprofessional of her. silverweb Feb 2017 #57
I'm leaving practices that allow ignoramus attitudes like this Dem2 Feb 2017 #62
People (you & me) tend to speak out about our unsatisfactory experiences No Vested Interest Feb 2017 #66
Good. We should stop ignoring this shit just to be nice. SunSeeker Feb 2017 #68
Bravo - you handled it well. Everything is Obama's fault. What dumbshits nt iluvtennis Feb 2017 #71
report it to her boss starshine00 Feb 2017 #73
AGREED MFM008 Feb 2017 #76
A brainwashed nurse.. who knew they could be so manipulated.. Cha Feb 2017 #81
"he inherited a huge mess!" yuiyoshida Feb 2017 #91

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. When possible it is the best thing to do
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 08:22 AM
Feb 2017

but not all situations allow for that as we know. One has to pick their time and environment carefully.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
20. That's what I was thinking...
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:10 AM
Feb 2017

most would want to argue because FOX 'news'has been feeding them opposite b.s.

The Wizard

(12,545 posts)
85. When someone cites Pox News as a source
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 11:52 PM
Feb 2017

I tell them I don't talk to people who watch Pox, then I point at them and laugh.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
93. Those arguments can make you tired all over.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 09:14 AM
Feb 2017

That's when they start trading one right-wing link after another while you give them what you feel are creditable sources, those are the sources they are trained to call 'fake' news. It get really tiresome, quick.

 

nikibatts

(2,198 posts)
82. That's why I like responding to his tweets with facts. Pretty soon, I believe that his supporters
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:54 PM
Feb 2017

will ask to have folks banned for challenging his Tweets.

Tanuki

(14,919 posts)
2. Good for you. The nurse's political commentary was inappropriate to the situation and
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 08:25 AM
Feb 2017

you are to be commended for shutting it down.

Mr.Bill

(24,303 posts)
58. Absolutely.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 03:16 PM
Feb 2017

I would have spoken to the doctor about it. I always complain to management at any business when an employ voices their political opinions. It's not appropriate in any business environment, especially a medical one.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
3. Confidence
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 08:34 AM
Feb 2017

I dropped an accountant a few years ago because she didn't keep her political beliefs out of our business conversation. I have to admit that if what happened to you happened to me I would be shopping for another physician.

Good for you for stating the facts, but she probably quit talking because she realized that she was out of line for making controversial remarks in her professional setting.

Those idiots don't like facts and don't recognize them. They're just too brainwashed by FauxNews.

BumRushDaShow

(129,105 posts)
4. "she probably quit talking because she realized that she was out of line"
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 08:41 AM
Feb 2017

No, I expect she quit talking because she realized she was talking to someone who does not live in her alt-universe. I guarantee that she will continue to believe the bullshit but might be more prudent before commenting until after determining whether the person supports the idiot-in-chief.

BumRushDaShow

(129,105 posts)
7. I'm fortunate
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:04 AM
Feb 2017

in that my primary physician (and his staff) are politically aware and living in the real world. In fact, just last week, my primary and I spent much of the time after the exam (I was the last one for the day) discussing how fucked we are since this election (he has a DU-level of understanding of the inner chaos of Drumpf and his minions).

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
9. That's great to hear.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:07 AM
Feb 2017

It is so sad to hear that there are ANY medical professionals who still don't "get it" about the ACA.

When I am in the US, I live in a very blue part of a very blue state with outstanding medical professionals. So I am in a sort of bubble. But it's a bubble that I wish ALL Americans could live in.

Rorey

(8,445 posts)
6. That's likely also true
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:02 AM
Feb 2017

They can't make a good argument against an intelligent person who has the facts on their side. I just think that she probably realized that she was getting very close to crossing the line in that professional setting.

BumRushDaShow

(129,105 posts)
10. I think people in general
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:08 AM
Feb 2017

try to find some "commonalities" between/among others, even in a professional setting, in order to "break the ice". The problem is that certain subjects like politics and religion, are polarized, so it often behooves to tread lightly when attempting to engage in those subjects.

Once a commonality is found (as I noted in post #7 regarding my own primary doctor), the gully washer is unleashed! (and if that nurse had determined that she had a like-minded patient, the same would have probably happened)

 

TrekLuver

(2,573 posts)
11. I agree! And you don't even have to be rude as you've proven....just spit the facts back at them
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:12 AM
Feb 2017

and they won't have much to say.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
13. I did that in 2012
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:30 AM
Feb 2017

We were given a rental agent to look at temporary housing when we moved cross country. This agent was anti-Obama and made it quite known to us while we looked at condos. The very next day, I called the office of the housing agent and told them that I didn't appreciate hearing his political views that had nothing to do with showing us temporary housing. I was blunt and firm but didn't go on any rage either. I just voiced that I wasn't going to deal with someone that was that immature on the job. We never had to deal with him again.

Tanuki

(14,919 posts)
63. Not always. One of the most stalwart members of our local Amnesty International chapter
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 03:46 PM
Feb 2017

is a real estate agent. She is a passionate activist for immigrants' rights and many other progressive causes.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
14. What's really sad is that
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:33 AM
Feb 2017

the next several months are still going to see job increases as a result of the Obama economy and Trump is going to try to take all the credit for it, but his first budget won't go into effect until October 1, 2017.

Same with ISIS - they were already losing ground in the middle east and the full effects of the Trump fuck ups won't be felt for a while because the new Trumpified recruits they're getting won't be doing their terrorism for months.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
22. pretty sure Repubs did the same 2016 budget crap? the budget has to be final march 2017
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:18 AM
Feb 2017

shove in Republicans face @POTUS @White House (do NOT use trumps personal twitter, its not a relevant account.)

"Unemployment TODAY is 4.6%, was 10% 8 years ago. You Republicans better not FUCK UP AMERICAS JOBS"

those tweets get a lot of likes & retweets for me.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,010 posts)
34. Talk is tRump's budget boosts spending esp military, raises consumer taxes, drops rich taxes
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 11:00 AM
Feb 2017

The spending boost may stimulate the economy in 2017 and into 2018, but it makes the downturn or crash to follow even sharper.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
59. are they going to pay for this by magic?
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 03:22 PM
Feb 2017

increased spending without paying for it will blow up the deficit. Either that, or they cut medicare & social security...

Unless the consumer taxes are going to be like jacking up the gas tax to an astronomical level

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,010 posts)
61. Yes. Magic. tRump's WH pressed govt economists to make up numbers to match a projected 3.2% growth.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 03:33 PM
Feb 2017

Completely fake numbers.

https://latest.com/2017/02/trump-team-ordered-government-economists-to-make-up-numbers-to-make-donalds-plans-look-better/

According to Nick Timiraos, Trump is now calling on his economists to create fake statistics in order to make his budget and economic plan seem more attractive.

“What’s unusual about the administration’s forecasts isn’t just their relative optimism but also the process by which they were derived,” writes Timiraos. “Transition officials telling the CEA staff the growth targets that their budget would produce and asking them to backfill other estimates off those figures.”

What does this mean? Trump is assuming much faster economic growth. In fact, Trump is telling his economists to predict an average of between 3 and 3.5 percent over the next decade, with a final goal of 3.2 percent. However, that total is much higher than that provided by the Congressional Budget Office and the Federal Reserve, both of which assume the economy will grow at a more moderate 2 percent.


Trump Teams Growth Forecasts Far Rosier Than Those of CBO, Private Economists (WSJ via DU)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111679754

Trump's war on economists, a battle from both sides Feb. 17, 2017
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/17/trumps-war-on-economists-a-battle-from-both-sides.html

BumRushDaShow

(129,105 posts)
46. Actually the federal government is STILL operating under a CR
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 12:36 PM
Feb 2017

that goes until April 28, 2017, so his "first budget" is going to have to address FY17 before they even talk about FY18 (that would start Oct 1, 2017).

catbyte

(34,403 posts)
87. Well, the Orange Shitstain has until Monday to destroy ISIS. That's what he promised.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 01:47 AM
Feb 2017

He said they'd be gone in a month. You know, "only he" knew how to destroy them. "Only he" could hire "all the best people" to carry it out. So, to channel Judge Smails, "Well, WE'RE WAITING!"

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
16. Treat them like the idiots they are and the King Idiot a minority voted for
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:50 AM
Feb 2017

I'm past polite with these Fox bubble-dwelling morons.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
17. Good job. I hope you gave her
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:51 AM
Feb 2017

Something to chew on. It's shocking that people can forget how dire was the situation that W & Cheney left us in, and meekly buy into 45's ridiculous "I inherited a mess," line. Disgusting.

Alice11111

(5,730 posts)
86. He campaigned on that. Ignorant people bought it. They believe Foxaganda and such
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 01:43 AM
Feb 2017

That is why we really need to let journalists who call them out know they are appreciated!
Truth to Power and the Ignorant. Very dangerous.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
18. +1,THIS IS EXACTLY THE STRATEGY TO TAKE WITH ISIS RECRUITS ... AND IT WORKS!!!
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:00 AM
Feb 2017

If you demean their perspective to the point where they have to think they're looking like fools then it takes away from their motive.

Yes, laugh at it ... don't treat their thinking like its normal

its NOT normal to support people with an overt multitude of character flaws like Benedict Donald.

DinahMoeHum

(21,794 posts)
30. Methinks the FBI uses this psychology. . .
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:37 AM
Feb 2017

. . .on al Qaeda and ISIS suspects they're interrogating. No torture of any kind is involved; and apparently these suspects cooperate once they understand that they were programmed by their handlers.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
32. +1, I think I heard it from Malcom Nance too... that guys good. Tear down their perspective of what
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:42 AM
Feb 2017

.... they're supporting and make them think about reality of what is being done.

DeeDeeNY

(3,355 posts)
19. I wasn't so fortunate
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:06 AM
Feb 2017

It was the dental hygienist spouting crazy ideas and she was working on my teeth so I couldn't respond.

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. I do call them out when I can. They're just freaking parrots with no substantive information...
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:11 AM
Feb 2017

...on which their claims are based.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
23. what questions did you 'chuckle' at? I can't think of any medical questions AC ACT added to health
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:22 AM
Feb 2017

exam questions.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
42. Questions like "Do you need help getting dressed"
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 11:56 AM
Feb 2017

Which is a little funny to ask a 265 lb bodybuilder sitting on the table.

Paka

(2,760 posts)
77. But the questionnaire is standardized.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 07:43 PM
Feb 2017

Questions that seem funny to you could well apply in another demographic. Just saying...

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
79. OMG, I fucking found it a little amusong
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 08:37 PM
Feb 2017

And really, WHAT DOES IT FUCKING MATTER? Why do you focus on a questionnaire that had a few questions I found a little silly.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
24. I needed a broken molar removed, late in the election.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:24 AM
Feb 2017

The nurse/ aide/ assistant came in while I was immobile in the chair, to prep me, and immediately started promoting dRumpf. Jumped right into it, no preamble, out of the blue. Because the repugs always have to tell everyone how it is. She left the door open, so I could hear that the dentist/surgeon and other staff were right outside while she loudly gave her plug for her hero. If her bosses weren't fans, she wouldn't have been doing it.

I understood instantly that they were taking the opportunity of making me feel like Dustin Hoffman in Marathon Man, and I'd better give the right answer. A little fear based power play. Conversion therapy.

I told her he was a clown, mobbed up, ton of nazi buddies, Putin's lackey, and I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher.

She backed off a bit, instead of getting mad and negative with me, then tried to explain how she liked him since he was going to give us all a 3 day weekend, and "don't you want that?" Who knows where she got that one, never heard it before or since, either she made it up on the spot, or was listening to some deep underground pro-nazi-drumpf fake news source. I said 'yeah, he's not going to do that, never heard that one'. So she quit, and started talking about her family.

I wasn't really blasting her, just letting her boss who was about 10' away know the lay of the land. And he kept his pro-dRumpf opinions to himself, when he came in to drill saw and yank.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
35. Now that is bravery -
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 11:06 AM
Feb 2017

Two or three people I never, ever piss off - the dentist about to drill, saw and yank - the mechanic who tells me the thinckerbobber is misaligned to the wackerpin and needs realignment for $800 - and my wife (maybe throw in the cat as another I try not to piss off)

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
25. Agreed..I see all these "Thank You Jesus signs"
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:26 AM
Feb 2017

in this Red County in a Red State and wonder if these Trump supporters realize they are Thanking Jesus for Trumps Fascists actions.

BBG

(2,539 posts)
26. Free Speech is Wonderful
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:27 AM
Feb 2017

When liberating a medical professional to speak their mind on a topic they would and should understand. For them to express such ignorance would be cause to seek another provider. I wouldn't accept medical care or advice from someone that ignorant of their own profession's political and economic challenges.
Medicine is a fact based process that is not properly supported by delusional and distracted practitioners.

BBG

(2,539 posts)
29. But Get a Second Opinion
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:33 AM
Feb 2017

Seriously. A medical provider this ignorant of our medical system is a danger to the system and all of us.

Find another provider!

 

Rxpcraig

(4 posts)
27. Truth still has plenty of value.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:29 AM
Feb 2017

I am a pharmacist and I have been doing my best to keep people informed about Obamacare well before it became the law. I will never back down from telling the truth.

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
44. I'm curious, in all of your official correspondence dealing with Affordable Care Act...
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 12:30 PM
Feb 2017

is it ever referred to as Obamacare?

 

Rxpcraig

(4 posts)
75. Professionals refer to it as ACA.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 06:44 PM
Feb 2017

My dealing with it is directly with my pharmacy patients/customers. They often referred to it as Obamacare. Many of them are just misinformed and some just have an ideological view that will never be changed. The seniors were the first to start benefiting from the ACA with refund checks ($250, if I remember correctly) as well as the change in gap coverage. It used to be where they had to pay 95% of the cost was changed to 50%. So, I was very enthusiastic to convey to my customers changes and see the law making a difference right away. Those seniors never complained about it. I am seeing more people talk about universal health with me and it will start taking on momentum.

 

Rxpcraig

(4 posts)
94. The GOP have put themselves in a corner.
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 09:29 AM
Feb 2017

The ACA has become quite important to millions of people. The provisions in the ACA have positive effects for ALL insured. I think it will be hard for this law to be repealed. All the talk of the repeal of the ACA from the GOP and Annoying Orange will amount to nothing. They appear to have put themselves in a corner.

mgardener

(1,817 posts)
28. I shocked my sewing group into silence by
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:32 AM
Feb 2017

revealing to them that Congress had voted to allow mentally ill people access to guns.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
47. Mentally ill people have access to guns regardless of that regulation.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 12:49 PM
Feb 2017

The regulation only covered persons who had a trustee managing their finances. A mentally ill person, such as someone with schizophrenia, who has always been voluntarily treated and never was institutionalized involuntarily (by a judge declaring that they were mentally incompetent) can buy a gun in any state. The due process requirement of the Constitution only allows the denial of rights and privileges after due process (where an individual is facing a deprivation of life, liberty, or property, procedural due process mandates that he or she is entitled to adequate notice, a hearing, and a neutral judge). The burden is naturally on the state to prove why they must deprive the person of their rights, and it's a high burden of proof as expected.

I have a friend who is diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic and takes medicine for the condition. She lives a normal life with her husband in a northern state and owns rifles. She is no threat to others nor herself.

kairos12

(12,862 posts)
33. I am former Army Infantryman. Still look like it--short hair and all.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 10:47 AM
Feb 2017

It's hilarious because Reich Wing Drumpsters always saddle up to me and confide away. They run away in horror when I ask them why they would vote for a Putin boot licker?

lark

(23,105 posts)
36. My best friend is sadly a repug.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 11:20 AM
Feb 2017

She was born that way, her daddy was a repug mayor in GA, and she was raised deep in the shit. She started off talking about how smart don the con is. I then asked her if she knew his dad was a milionaire, yes, she said. I asked if she was aware that per daddy;s tax fililngs (didn't mention drumpfs' lies, but she got it, she's smart) he loaned drumpf $67 million dollars. Yes, she had seen that. I asked had she thought about it? If he invested that $ in stock market, he'd now be worth $17 billion and he's only worth (by his own claims) $3-4 billion, so in truth he's lost $13-14 billion dollars and I didn't think that seemed so smart. Toned way down, she agreed with me. She also agreed he'd be a nightmare with Medicare, and Social Security based on his actions after he was elected. Yes, she had noticed the change and was pissed off!

When I talked to the AA ex-military male nurse at my dr. appt. and he made nice noises about so-called prez cutting taxes and increasing jobs, I asked if he had noticed about drumpfs position on ACA and how the hospital had done so much hiring since that was passed due to increased availabiity of healthcare and that if that is repealed with no "affordable replacement", hospital will lose $ and people will lose jobs. He got mad and walked out and made another nurse come to my room.

You won't win every time, but I hope by planting seeds, the doubts will grow and some people will wake up.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
37. I agree. I am doing my part but trying to do it tactfully.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 11:24 AM
Feb 2017

I agree. I am doing my part but trying to do it tactfully.

Ultimately making them feel stupid and driving them back in the cave doesnt start the change it just increases the divide.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
43. When you debate them, it validated that they HAVE a position.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 12:03 PM
Feb 2017

When you just laugh at their ridiculous shit, it is like saying you know the empire had no clothes.

Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #43)

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
48. Probably didn't change her view, but...
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 12:50 PM
Feb 2017

I suspect she will think twice before pulling that line on the next patient.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
52. Been doing that for decades now, it drives them crazy.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 01:38 PM
Feb 2017

And the beauty of it all? Not a DAM thing they can do about it!

Fritz Walter

(4,291 posts)
53. Dropped my Internist (primary care provider) 5 years ago
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 01:39 PM
Feb 2017

Years prior, I had a good rapport with my doc, but he retired and transferred all his patients to Dr. B. It was obvious that she was in medicine for the money (ordering me to take vitamin supplements which she happened to sell out of her office), and during one physical exam complained to me at length about how the reduced Medicare payments are hurting her practice.

The last straw was during the campaign for President Obama's re-election. She had placed an anti-Obama countdown clock/calendar at her checkout window, and I told her staffer that I thought it was inappropriate. The staffer apologized but said that Dr. B wanted it there despite the complaints by patients. My response was that I'll find another physician.

My new doc is a 10-mile-drive away -- I used to walk from my office to Dr. B's -- but there is no politicking. Also, no pushing of expensive-urine (vitamin supplement) products. I'm paying higher health insurance premiums, but the quality of care is worth it!

The only other drawback is the annual prostate exam: his index finger is a lot larger than hers was.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
57. That was highly unprofessional of her.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 02:58 PM
Feb 2017

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]I've had both a dental assistant and an optometrist start spouting off about their religious/political opinions while receiving care. I merely deflected both at the time, but never went back to that dental office and reported the optometrist to the patient services department of the group for which she worked.

Also, while I was an inpatient right after surgery a few years ago, a nurse started bitching about the ACA. She stalked out of my room in a huff when I said I strongly supported both it and President Obama. The head nurse became visibly angry when I reported the incident and I never saw that nurse again during my stay.

That kind of behavior is by its nature aggressive, extremely unprofessional, and creates a very uncomfortable patient-provider relationship. The first time was a shock and I didn't quite know how to respond other than to deflect, but I've become more assertive with each incident. They should be shut down completely and reported whenever they display such behavior.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
62. I'm leaving practices that allow ignoramus attitudes like this
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 03:37 PM
Feb 2017

And I bad mouth the medical/dental practices to those who I know are sympathetic to common sense and reality.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
66. People (you & me) tend to speak out about our unsatisfactory experiences
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 03:51 PM
Feb 2017

more often than the good ones, because we expect services that we choose and are paying for to be professionally and courteously handled.

SunSeeker

(51,574 posts)
68. Good. We should stop ignoring this shit just to be nice.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 03:53 PM
Feb 2017

These ignorant assholes have ruined our country.


If they have the nerve to run their mouth with these lies, we have the obligation, for the sake of our country, to state the facts.

 

starshine00

(531 posts)
73. report it to her boss
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 06:13 PM
Feb 2017

seriously. Tell them her political leanings make you feel unsafe that she can be trusted to be 'non-partisan'' when handling patients and medical records. They will give her a warning, even if they agree with her.

Cha

(297,323 posts)
81. A brainwashed nurse.. who knew they could be so manipulated..
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:15 PM
Feb 2017

Thank you, Drahthaardogs!

I hate these stupid people! She must have soaked up his presser yesterday.

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