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demmiblue

(36,865 posts)
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 02:19 PM Feb 2017

Don Lemon Ends Show Early After Guest Calls Story 'Fake News'

Source: TPM

CNN’s Don Lemon abruptly ended the last segment of his show Friday night after one commentator continued to refer to a story as “fake news.”

Lemon was moderating a discussion of President Donald Trump’s frequent trips away from the White House, and the costs to taxpayers they incur. Paris Dennard, a former staffer in the George W. Bush administration and now a political analyst and commentator, called the story “fake news”

“The President is not breaking any laws, and he’s not doing anything,” Dennard said.

Lemon stopped him. “Fake news is when you put out a story to intentionally deceive someone and you know that it is wrong.” He added: “This story that we’re doing right now is not to intentionally deceive anyone. We are simply talking about the cost to keep a President safe.”



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Don Lemon Ends Show Early After Guest Calls Story 'Fake News' (Original Post) demmiblue Feb 2017 OP
I had to watch Lemmon's look of disgust at the end there a second time. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #1
He was brilliant.. his explanation.. everything! Cha Feb 2017 #35
Yep, time to start cutting mikes... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #2
How about a return of the Gong. greymattermom Feb 2017 #3
the Trumpist will be slapped down for not shouting over Don Lemon wordpix Feb 2017 #25
This trump tried.. "fake news.. in his opinion.." Lemon cut him off. lol Cha Feb 2017 #36
That Needed A Big Red X, Like On The Family Feud Grassy Knoll Feb 2017 #4
+1 narnian60 Feb 2017 #12
Or get gonged like on The Gong Show! csziggy Feb 2017 #34
Thank you Mr. Lemon. spanone Feb 2017 #5
Fake news is REAL! True Dough Feb 2017 #6
One of the best things I've seen in a long time. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #7
Paris Dennard. A GOP lightweight who the Trumpoids trot out every oasis Feb 2017 #10
Perfect. Now do that more often. mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2017 #8
"Is Paris burning?" oasis Feb 2017 #9
He was just full of ... well ... "attitude". He seemed to be very pleased with himself. Except... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #11
Anyone see AM Joy this morning with that wacko from Newsmax? He just would NOT shut up.... George II Feb 2017 #13
It makes this type of "reporting" or "analysis" or "discussion" absolutely worthless! NurseJackie Feb 2017 #14
Read jayschool2013 Feb 2017 #18
Excellent!! Thank you for sharing that!! NurseJackie Feb 2017 #29
Yup. And Joy called him on his bullshit non sequiturs. SunSeeker Feb 2017 #17
Hee...She called him "Sweetie" at one point! She IS a Joy! WinkyDink Feb 2017 #20
No, that was one of her guests. She is way too professional to do that. nt SunSeeker Feb 2017 #22
You're correct. It was one of the guests. But I don't think it would have been unprofessional! JD WinkyDink Feb 2017 #26
Sure, but a host shouldn't refer to a guest like, unless he really was her "sweetie." SunSeeker Feb 2017 #32
Yes I saw that...it's time to start bringing down the hammer. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #19
George saidsimplesimon Feb 2017 #30
Yes, that's the guy. He acted like he was hosting his own show instead of being a guest. George II Feb 2017 #33
This is the MO.... dawnie51 Feb 2017 #15
K&R. dchill Feb 2017 #16
Networks need to start blacklisting every surrogate who tries to say it's fake news NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #21
So! NOW they are saying "Fake news" to mean "We want you to ignore this fact. OKAY?!" WinkyDink Feb 2017 #23
"stop it with that stupid talking point that is a fake news story" wordpix Feb 2017 #24
What they should have is a timer. Give them 60 seconds to answer. That's it. AgadorSparticus Feb 2017 #27
That was perfect. forgotmylogin Feb 2017 #28
Good for Don BUT........ Jim Beard Feb 2017 #31
Wow! Way to go Don! Blue_Roses Feb 2017 #37

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
2. Yep, time to start cutting mikes...
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 02:24 PM
Feb 2017

When RW professional gaslighters try to fillibuster segments, they need to be cut off.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
3. How about a return of the Gong.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 02:31 PM
Feb 2017

On the second outright like, the host can push a button that sounds a gong and cut off the mike.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
25. the Trumpist will be slapped down for not shouting over Don Lemon
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 05:08 PM
Feb 2017

That's what R's are told to do, or so it seems from how they handle themselves.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
7. One of the best things I've seen in a long time.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 03:02 PM
Feb 2017

And who IS that jerk anyway? Never heard of him... notta peep... whats his claim to fame? Why does anyone care what he thinks anyway?

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,504 posts)
8. Perfect. Now do that more often.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 03:02 PM
Feb 2017

I'm speaking to all these opinion show hosts. Don't let the guests get away with lying. Stop them, right now, on the spot.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. He was just full of ... well ... "attitude". He seemed to be very pleased with himself. Except...
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 03:21 PM
Feb 2017

... he really had NO reason to be. #AndThatsJustSad

George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Anyone see AM Joy this morning with that wacko from Newsmax? He just would NOT shut up....
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 03:45 PM
Feb 2017

....she finally did the same thing, declared that segment over.

These people are programmed to spout uncontrollably without making any sense.

I think Kellyanne Conway conducts webinars on that technique.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
14. It makes this type of "reporting" or "analysis" or "discussion" absolutely worthless!
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 04:07 PM
Feb 2017

It's just a big game of cross-talk and over-talk and shouting down in which the LOUDEST (not necessarily the smartest) ends up being the "winner" in the eyes of the unsophisticated audience.

I've totally given up on all US-based television news sources (except occasionally PBS NewsHour)

I enjoy watching BBC World News (on PBS) and SkyNews and ReutersTV (streaming Roku).

When watching US-based news, it's pretty amazing to realize how LITTLE coverage or importance is given to the rest of the events happening around the world.

When watching non-US news programmes ... the reporting is detailed and not "dumbed-down". It's as though the reporter (producers) are already expecting to be talking to an audience with an attention span longer than a three year old, and basic intelligence that exceeds a 12 year old.

It's also interesting to get an unfiltered view of what the rest of the world actually thinks of Trump and our nation in general. It's a bit refreshing to hear honest reporting and frank editorials that don't feel as though they must oblige the easily offended jingoists by carefully tempering their words to the point where they lose all meaning.

Or... instead of going on and on, I could have just said US tv/cable news SUCKS compared to what you can get outside the US.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
29. Excellent!! Thank you for sharing that!!
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 05:22 PM
Feb 2017

https://www.knightfoundation.org/articles/beyond-carnegie-knightknowledge-journalism

Excerpt:

Journalism can lead us astray, argues Harvard professor Tom Patterson in his book, “Informing the News.” He cites a University of Maryland study on what Americans knew about 11 issues, from health care reform to climate change. For some news consumers, “higher levels of exposure increased misinformation.” On eight of the 11 issues in the study, more than 40 percent of the consumers were misinformed. On six issues, regular news consumers knew only what everyone else knew. On health care, news consumers knew less than what others knew.

Patterson makes a strong case that modern journalism often fails to communicate complexity. The book, an offshoot of the Carnegie-Knight Initiative for the Future of Journalism Education, examines journalism that fails to provide meaningful context, sometimes by giving equal weight to fact and opinion, other times by substituting infotainment for real news, still other times by allowing anecdote to trump trend.

He’s neck-deep in the problems of modern journalism, with chapters titled “The Information Problem,” “The Source Problem,” “The Knowledge Problem,” “The Education Problem,” “The Audience Problem” and “The Democracy Problem.” The problems add up to stories throughout history that have been horribly wrong, from the start of the Spanish-American War (Spain probably didn’t sink the U.S.S. Maine) to escalating crime in the early ’90s (it didn’t happen), from the prevalence of voter fraud (it isn’t a problem) to those Iraqi weapons of mass destruction (they did not exist).

The answer to mass misinformation, Patterson says, is “knowledge-based journalism.” In the 1980s, this was called “specialty reporting.” Before the digital age disrupted this model, journalists at university-based training programs learned everything from nuclear power to brain science. It was a way to try to provide the context the Hutchins Commission called for in the 1950s, the meaning that Walter Lippmann wanted in the 1920s. Yes, journalism should have more knowledge. The question, then and now, is how?
 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
26. You're correct. It was one of the guests. But I don't think it would have been unprofessional! JD
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 05:13 PM
Feb 2017

was being an evil "Push the 'Fake News' Theme" creep!

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
30. George
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 05:23 PM
Feb 2017

Do you mean J.D. Hayworth? The blowhard from Arizona that Senator McCain served the sword? Joy is a genius. It is a shame her team must give any air time to make a point.

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. Yes, that's the guy. He acted like he was hosting his own show instead of being a guest.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 06:12 PM
Feb 2017

She just shook her head a few times and finally cut it off.

dawnie51

(959 posts)
15. This is the MO....
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 04:32 PM
Feb 2017

just keep talking, never pause for even a second. Talk over, around and through anyone else. That Milos jerk on Bill Maher last night, same thing. Bill told him several times to shut up, because he absolutely refused to let anyone, even the Repub jerk Kingston, speak at all. We need more of this type of action from media.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
21. Networks need to start blacklisting every surrogate who tries to say it's fake news
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 05:01 PM
Feb 2017

Cut them off and then don't let them back on again. Treat them like the liars they are just like Don Lemon did in this case.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
24. "stop it with that stupid talking point that is a fake news story"
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 05:07 PM
Feb 2017

Then the Trumpist says, "Don this is a fake news story."

Glad Don Lemon stood up.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
27. What they should have is a timer. Give them 60 seconds to answer. That's it.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 05:14 PM
Feb 2017

And then cut their mic. This should be the format of the show. They can even call it 60seconds. They don't get to cheat. It will have a game show feel with the timer present for everyone to see.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
28. That was perfect.
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 05:20 PM
Feb 2017

The description made it sound like Lemon stormed off, but he explained that the story they were discussing was not "fake news", the respondent said it again, and he cut him off and ended the segment.

We can call this "Conway's Law". If you're participating in a segment you think is fake, you deserve to be shut down.

 

Jim Beard

(2,535 posts)
31. Good for Don BUT........
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 05:34 PM
Feb 2017

CNN is about to televise another free Trump speech, the same as it did to help him win the primary. CNN has given him more free time than anyone I know.

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