I hated all the slurs they called Obama and them saying he was not their president.

[Hamlette]

Trump is my president which is why I'm so pissed and why I'm holding his feet to the fire.

By calling him names we piss off the other side for no reason and they don't listen. Piss them off by pointing out Trump's lies and his incompetence, not but insulting his name.

I have no illusions about converting them. We can't and we won't. And I don't give a shit about hurting their feelings. I do care that they hate me so much they will never listen to me again and that they stay in "fight to the death" mode forever.

[bravenak]

1. That orange menace is not my prez

[JimGinPA]

2. Fuck the "Other side" nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

15. I agree, fuck 'em!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. I couldn't care less

I do care that they hate me so much they will never listen to me again and that they stay in "fight to the death" mode forever.

I couldn't care less. I bet if a NAZI spent five minutes with me he or she would hate me too. The only thing I want to do is protect myself, the ones i love, and the vulnerable from them.

[Squinch]

4. Twitler, aka American Carnage, aka Dolt45 is illegitimate and is therefore NOT

my president. Your mileage may vary.

I couldn't give fewer fucks that the people who voted for this asshole might not like the names I call him.

[HipChick]

8. +1000 K&R

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. +1000000!

[JI7]

5. fuck him. i want him to drop dead. And fuck his ignorant supporters

[mountain grammy]

11. Well said!

[SammyWinstonJack]

17. Especially his willfully ignorant and arrogant and obnoxious supporters.

[unblock]

6. i get that the high road seems more appealing than the gutter,

but people dwell in the gutter for a reason -- sometimes that crap works.

i think the best solution is the game theoretical suggestion of "tit for tat with forgiveness".

in other words, if they dump on you, dump back on them in proportion, but then revert to the high ground.

hopefully, eventually everyone learns that the gutter doesn't pay in the long run.

but as long as we keep avoiding the gutter, they'll continue to take advantage of our good nature.

[Turbineguy]

7. An allegorical non-sports non-fable.

I used to work on ships. The work environment has the peculiar force of bringing out any weaknesses in peoples' personalities.

At one point I was on a ship with 2 other guys and the three of us had been friends for some 15 years. But we were of different ranks so there was still a hierarchy. My one friend (the boss) became more insufferable and irritating as time went on and the other friend and I spent a lot of time complaining to each other about it. One day my second friend said "Hey, I gotta go take a... (using our friend name instead).

It was at that moment I realized that things had gone too far and that I was in danger of losing two old and trusted friends. I immediately went up to our boss and started talking to (and with) him. We did not actually discuss the problem but it seemed clear to me that he was in a bad spot too. In a short time the whole situation changed and for the better.

It was a valuable lesson.

Calling Trump awful names and metaphorically spitting on his Wife and family may give some low level temporary satisfaction but it brings us down too. And does nothing to solve the underlying problem.

I'll get off my soapbox now. Regular programming will resume shortly.

[MyOwnPeace]

13. Good on you.........

it's always nice to have a calm, adult discussion about some rather sensitive issues.
Nicely done!

[Hamlette]

19. thanks, you and Turbineguy were much more clear than I apparently was.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. Can you please explain how your "non-sports non-fable" applies to the current instance.

I am trying to treat it as a SAT question where you are asked to divine the intention of the author.

Are you suggesting that Trump supporters were once our allies and friends and if we are nice to them they will become our allies and friends again?


Thank you in advance.

[Turbineguy]

22. Sorry,

That was an arcane reference. Years ago I penned a piece called "An Allegorical Sports Fable." It had to do with playing slow-pitch baseball and breaking a few windows with my republican neighbors.

Most of those neighbors have become democrats since then.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. I don't believe you are going to change Trump and his supporters by being nice to him or them.

[Turbineguy]

24. I think you are correct.

They have too much hate invested.

But my post was not about them, it was about us.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. I have given that a lot of thought...

There is enough hate to go around. However there is a difference between hating someone because he or she hates Jews, Muslims, blacks, Hispanics, and glbtq people et cetera and actually hating Jews, Muslims, blacks, Hispanics, and glbtq people et cetera.

The former is hating people for who they are. The latter is hating people for what they do.

[Turbineguy]

26. An excellent point

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. We live in perilous times.

Most leaders, from both political parties, at least pay lip service to binding the nation's wounds. Trump pours salt in them. I don't see how this division can end any way other than poorly.

[Turbineguy]

29. When Nixon resigned

one of my colleagues declared, "This is the worst day of my life!"

The next day, the sun still came up.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. When I was younger I was a pretty good salesperson.

I used to tell my buddy and co-worker I was irreplaceable and he would always tell me they replaced John Kennedy in fifteen minutes.


We are much more divided, imho, than we were during the Nixon error.

[Turbineguy]

31. Then we must strive for

14 minutes. Or less.

[Demsrule86]

34. The sun may come up for you...

but it won't for the millions that Trump harm or even kills...I will call him what he is.

[Demsrule86]

33. Oh baloney...do you think the GOP will give us fairness...

they stole Obama's court pick...so no, no and no. I will continue to show how much I despise Trump in a variet of ways...including metaphorically spitting on him.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

9. Trump is legally the President of my country.

But he is not "my President." That's something that must be earned and he has no desire in earning that.

[Alice11111]

10. I WANT TO PISS THEM OFF!

You think they will listen if you are nice. Look at history to see how they treat nice, rational, or vulnerable people.
Look at how thy treated Obama when he tried to be bipartisan.

[ismnotwasm]

12. I just listened a couple of women from "The other side"

Come right out and say that Facebook and The National Enquirer are better news sources than CNN

Fuck those idiots and their fucked up führer

I understand what you re trying to say though. It's just that like you,I think they are unreachable so I might as well enjoy myself

[BannonsLiver]

14. I'll never acknowledge his legitimacy

What other people do is their business.

[EarthFirst]

18. Look. There is an all out assault on the press/media and NetNeutrality at the moment...

You had better get the digs in now, because there may become a point where even your own opinions may be 'Lügenpresse'

Fuck that, my friend!

I'm not willing to play nice and I could give a shit about what they have to say about my opinions.

Perhaps the warning signs aren't dire enough for you yet?

[TrekLuver]

20. Well he can be your prezident...he's all yours and I can elect to say that he is not mine. This is

not just your normal run o the mill Republican asshole...this is very very different and I ain't havin it. They don't seem concerned about pissing me off so I'm not concerned with them.

I could give not one half of a fuck if any of them hate me..which they do..I promise you that..I get blocked daily on twitter because snowflakes want to start shit that they can't possibly finish. I gut them each and every time. You let me know if someone is giving you trouble and I'll take care of it for you with minimal effort. They want to hate someone I'll give them a really good reason to.

[Trust Buster]

27. We cannot win a fight against these animals if we adopt the logic in the above OP. These animals

now even reject basic facts as truth. Past models do not adequately address this current phenomenon IMO.

[Demsrule86]

32. Obama was elected in a legitimate fashion

Trump was not ...and I want to piss off the other side. We can't have one party that is given the benefit of the doubt and treated in a traditional bipartisan way(Republicans) ...yet, when the are not in office, they burn the house down and refuse to allow the other side (Democrats) to govern. The GOP behaved in a terrible way and colluded with the Russians and their pet FBI agent to get Trump elected and trash Hillary...Had the GOP treated Obama with a tiny bit of respect and showed any cooperation, it would be different or maybe not...we can not pretend that Trump is business as usual as he begins to round up immigrants, goes after public education, LGTBQ, the safety net, health care and women. I wonder if Germans thought they should give Hitler a chance? The GOP treated Obama horribly...now Trump is about to round people up and put them in detention camps...he talks like Hitler and may be a Russian...spy. He will never by president...and I will tirelessly try to bring him down through calling my congressmen, voting, organizing. There can be no cooperation on any thing...and any Democrat who does so should be primaried and kicked out of office...no more "the Dems do it too"...oh and fuck Donald Trump who is a lying piece of shit and a monster...he is the worst thing that has ever happened to this country and threatens to destroy our Republican...so no I won't waiving the white flag...and you shouldn't either.

[AJT]

35. I agree. If we don't stick with the facts about the real

dangers of having Trump as president then there will be a constant defensive rift in this country that will prevent any kind of governing. This hateful rhetoric will come again from the other side when the dems come into power. There are real crimes that have been committed by the Trump cabal but when we tie them with hateful name calling we are pushing people into a defensive corner. I want the country to function once this president is gone. I don't want to live in constant state of a near civil war.

I want him gone, and I want the other side to see him for who he is and believe the the investigations when the reports are brought to the public.

Yes, president Obama took insults and lies for 8 years, but where does this end? Is it going to like honor killings where one person from one family is killed so one from the other family is killed.......an endless family feud?